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Eel

And bouncing around like in duck tales is actually quite fun.

This reminds me I haven't bought this.

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Sanya wrote:

Overrated, yeah a little...I think people just love it because of some similarity it has with Mega Man games.

have you played it?

I have it, yeah.

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And bouncing around like in duck tales is actually quite fun.

This reminds me I haven't bought this.

Yeah the bouncing too, lol. It's fun bouncing on the bosses and all that. xD

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Overrated, yeah a little...I think people just love it because of some similarity it has with Mega Man games.

I love Shovel Knight but dislike Megaman so there goes that theory.

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Sanya wrote:

faint wrote:

Sanya wrote:

Overrated, yeah a little...I think people just love it because of some similarity it has with Mega Man games.

have you played it?

I have it, yeah.

I agree with you, while Shovel Knight is good (really good) I think it is overrated. Like Ocarina of Time is good but overrated

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ricklongo

The first stage is an introduction. Personally, I liked that stage for its tight platforming, but it lacks a lot of the stuff in later levels (hidden weapons, unique themes, that sort of thing).

I'd advise you to play at least the two first boss stages (King Knight and Specter Knight). If you're still not convinced by then, you probably never will.

For what it's worth, I think it's an incredible game that's not even a tiny bit overrated, and it's only going to get better with the future free DLC campaigns.

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Depends on your preference, TC. For me, I was duped for sure. Not to say I didn't like it (it did grow on me), but after all the hype I was expecting the "BEST INDIE GAME EVAH!11" And personally I wouldn't even put it in my top ten. It relies TOO much on NES nostalgia and not enough on fixing the things that made NES games bad...like friggin' knock-back reactions in precise platforming game..so dumb T_T. Though I'd still give it a decent score once everything was said and done, I'd definitely give it my "Most Overrated Game Runner Up of 2014" Award...Dragon Age: Inquisition or Destiny would have to be the winner of that award though .

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ACK

DefHalan wrote:

Sanya wrote:

faint wrote:

Sanya wrote:

Overrated, yeah a little...I think people just love it because of some similarity it has with Mega Man games.

have you played it?

I have it, yeah.

I agree with you, while Shovel Knight is good (really good) I think it is overrated. Like Ocarina of Time is good but overrated

Whoa, that is a completely absurd comparison. Ocarina if Time is among the most influential 3D games yet released. The gap between OoT and other 3D Action/Adventure games of the era cannot be overstated and I can't think of many modern games that have clearly surpassed what it achieved (for instance, there aren't any from the past year that would likely even be in the conversation).

Regardless of your perception of a game or it's reception, calling something overrated is lazy and hardly expresses a relevant opinion. At the least, seminal works should be immune to such simple dismissals which ignore the rare groundbreaking achievements by intrepid visionaries who push the boundary to make stuff better.

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DefHalan

ACK wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

Sanya wrote:

faint wrote:

Sanya wrote:

Overrated, yeah a little...I think people just love it because of some similarity it has with Mega Man games.

have you played it?

I have it, yeah.

I agree with you, while Shovel Knight is good (really good) I think it is overrated. Like Ocarina of Time is good but overrated

Whoa, that is a completely absurd comparison. Ocarina if Time is among the most influential 3D games yet released. The gap between OoT and other 3D Action/Adventure games of the era cannot be overstated and I can't think of many modern games that have clearly surpassed what it achieved (for instance, there aren't any from the past year that would likely even be in the conversation).

Regardless of your perception of a game or it's reception, calling something overrated is lazy and hardly expresses a relevant opinion. At the least, seminal works should be immune to such simple dismissals which ignore the rare groundbreaking achievements by intrepid visionaries who push the boundary to make stuff better.

It is all personal opinion. I didn't beat OoT until it was on Wii VC. I had to force myself to complete it. It was a clunky experience and Wind Waker fixed a lot of the issues I had with OoT, so it was a step backwards for me. OoT may have been good for its time but I think it is a little overrated. I find Majora's Mask to be better than OoT also.

Calling something overrated isn't lazy and it does express a relevant opinion. Basically it means that people talked the game up so much that it wasn't able to live up to expectations. That was my issue with OoT and Shovel Knight. Everyone was calling these games some of the best they have played in years. OoT has gotten many "Best Game Ever" Awards. That builds expectations for players that haven't experienced it. I can understand why people enjoyed OoT but I think it is overrated. Many games since then have done things better. Similar with Shovel Knight, a lot of the problems I had with it is when it was trying to be too much like a clunky NES game. Those issues caused the game to be overrated for me. Everyone has their own opinions and no work of art should be immune to criticism, no matter how many people like the work. (I personally like Van Gogh work but I know people that don't. Neither of us is more right than the other)

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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ACK

You can certainly call shovel Knight overrated (though I'm still going to say it's lazy criticism that goes no where), but I personally question focusing such terminology on an indie title like SK in a year dominated by the likes of Watch Dogs, Destiny, Shadows of Mordor, Titanfall, Dragon Age: Inquisition, etc... It's a matter of taste, of course, but I greatly admire and value the spirit of joy and overall creativity present in SK, which was accomplished by a small indie team without falling victim to any of the contrived, epidemic pitfalls plaguing those other games from this year.

I will concede that certain NES throwback elements that to me are like hanging out with old pals could be irritating to some. And I really question where the perception that Shovel Knight is the best indie ever comes from. It's certainly the indie darling of this year, but I haven't seen many claiming it to be the best ever of anything (maybe chiptune soundtrack?)... Personally, I wouldn't call it the best indie on the eShop this year (that would be Stealth inc 2 or Teslagrad) and have a hard time imagining anyone claiming it to be superior to Cave Story.

My perception is that it is very good, bordering on great with a refreshing spirit and buoyant gameplay. Part of the appeal probably comes from the wealth of retro-style indie games that feel superficially nostalgic, while Shovel Knight is a fresh yet legitimate reimagining of classic 8-bit gaming.

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^I think a lot of it comes from how do you define what "overrated" means.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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ACK

DefHalan wrote:

ACK wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

Sanya wrote:

faint wrote:

Sanya wrote:

Overrated, yeah a little...I think people just love it because of some similarity it has with Mega Man games.

have you played it?

I have it, yeah.

I agree with you, while Shovel Knight is good (really good) I think it is overrated. Like Ocarina of Time is good but overrated

Whoa, that is a completely absurd comparison. Ocarina if Time is among the most influential 3D games yet released. The gap between OoT and other 3D Action/Adventure games of the era cannot be overstated and I can't think of many modern games that have clearly surpassed what it achieved (for instance, there aren't any from the past year that would likely even be in the conversation).

Regardless of your perception of a game or it's reception, calling something overrated is lazy and hardly expresses a relevant opinion. At the least, seminal works should be immune to such simple dismissals which ignore the rare groundbreaking achievements by intrepid visionaries who push the boundary to make stuff better.

It is all personal opinion. I didn't beat OoT until it was on Wii VC. I had to force myself to complete it. It was a clunky experience and Wind Waker fixed a lot of the issues I had with OoT, so it was a step backwards for me. OoT may have been good for its time but I think it is a little overrated. I find Majora's Mask to be better than OoT also.

Calling something overrated isn't lazy and it does express a relevant opinion. Basically it means that people talked the game up so much that it wasn't able to live up to expectations. That was my issue with OoT and Shovel Knight. Everyone was calling these games some of the best they have played in years. OoT has gotten many "Best Game Ever" Awards. That builds expectations for players that haven't experienced it. I can understand why people enjoyed OoT but I think it is overrated. Many games since then have done things better. Similar with Shovel Knight, a lot of the problems I had with it is when it was trying to be too much like a clunky NES game. Those issues caused the game to be overrated for me. Everyone has their own opinions and no work of art should be immune to criticism, no matter how many people like the work. (I personally like Van Gogh work but I know people that don't. Neither of us is more right than the other)

If I had more time to respond I wouldn't be so brief, but my initial response is that I don't feel a work being overrated is a criticism of the quality and validity of a work, rather it is a criticism of the beholder's perception of a work's reception.

...Which is why I don't feel it expresses much of an individual's opinion other than that he or she had preconceptions about a work and now has an actual resulting opinion.

Moreover, there are many factors that play into an individual developing an opinion, such as mood or preconceptions themselves. I can point to many great games that I haven't been in the proper mood to play and didn't especially enjoy but sometimes that's more on me rather than "everyone else" being wrong. That's why I feel it's lazy criticism.

...Anyway, I'm rambling. Been waiting to pick up my son from school, so I better bail.

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There are many overrated retro games, to be honest. There are few retro games I consider better than the old games they make think of.
Ocarina of Time wasn't overrated, it was a unique, fresh, balanced, beautiful and fun game. How can it be overrated? Anyone could love Shovel Knight but no way it can be compared to what was Ocarina of Time in 1998.

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DefHalan

ACK wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

ACK wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

Sanya wrote:

faint wrote:

Sanya wrote:

Overrated, yeah a little...I think people just love it because of some similarity it has with Mega Man games.

have you played it?

I have it, yeah.

I agree with you, while Shovel Knight is good (really good) I think it is overrated. Like Ocarina of Time is good but overrated

Whoa, that is a completely absurd comparison. Ocarina if Time is among the most influential 3D games yet released. The gap between OoT and other 3D Action/Adventure games of the era cannot be overstated and I can't think of many modern games that have clearly surpassed what it achieved (for instance, there aren't any from the past year that would likely even be in the conversation).

Regardless of your perception of a game or it's reception, calling something overrated is lazy and hardly expresses a relevant opinion. At the least, seminal works should be immune to such simple dismissals which ignore the rare groundbreaking achievements by intrepid visionaries who push the boundary to make stuff better.

It is all personal opinion. I didn't beat OoT until it was on Wii VC. I had to force myself to complete it. It was a clunky experience and Wind Waker fixed a lot of the issues I had with OoT, so it was a step backwards for me. OoT may have been good for its time but I think it is a little overrated. I find Majora's Mask to be better than OoT also.

Calling something overrated isn't lazy and it does express a relevant opinion. Basically it means that people talked the game up so much that it wasn't able to live up to expectations. That was my issue with OoT and Shovel Knight. Everyone was calling these games some of the best they have played in years. OoT has gotten many "Best Game Ever" Awards. That builds expectations for players that haven't experienced it. I can understand why people enjoyed OoT but I think it is overrated. Many games since then have done things better. Similar with Shovel Knight, a lot of the problems I had with it is when it was trying to be too much like a clunky NES game. Those issues caused the game to be overrated for me. Everyone has their own opinions and no work of art should be immune to criticism, no matter how many people like the work. (I personally like Van Gogh work but I know people that don't. Neither of us is more right than the other)

If I had more time to respond I wouldn't be so brief, but my initial response is that I don't feel a work being overrated is a criticism of the quality and validity of a work, rather it is a criticism of the beholder's perception of a work's reception.

...Which is why I don't feel it expresses much of an individual's opinion other than that he or she had preconceptions about a work and now has an actual resulting opinion.

Moreover, there are many factors that play into an individual developing an opinion, such as mood or preconceptions themselves. I can point to many great games that I haven't been in the proper mood to play and didn't especially enjoy but sometimes that's more on me rather than "everyone else" being wrong. That's why I feel it's lazy criticism.

...Anyway, I'm rambling. Been waiting to pick up my son from school, so I better bail.

There are many different factors that go into criticism. The criticism "overrated" is more about the how others affected the person's view. If people keep saying how this one movie is the best movie they have ever seen then the hype is going to affect how people experience the works. Criticism is a single person's opinion and no matter how many people have the same criticism doesn't change it from just being people's opinions. So overrated is a perfectly find criticism but without context of why you feel it is overrated then it doesn't have much weight. It is similar to saying something is bad, without the context of why something is bad it doesn't hold much weight.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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MetalKingShield

You haven't been duped. I've completed Shovel Knight and it's a good game - well worth the money, no complaints from me.

However, like I said in the "Shantae or Shovel Knight?" thread, Shovel Knight benefitted from an enormous amount of goodwill that was, in all honesty, not related to the quality of the end product. Not that I'm saying there was anything wrong with the end product, it's just that I got the sense people "knew" they were going to love it from the moment they first saw it on Kickstarter.

At the end of the day, Shovel Knight is a good game that most will like and some will love. Fans of the NES era and Mega Man in particular will enjoy it most.

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I haven't been following the thread, but it sounds like the OP had no clue what he was getting into in the first place, so I wouldn't say he's been "duped", he's just a dolt for buying into hype without actually figuring out what it is people like about the game beforehand (or even understanding what the basic point of the game was). There's nothing wrong with hype, but it is a problem if you don't know what the hype was about in the first place.

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ACK wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

Sanya wrote:

faint wrote:

Sanya wrote:

Overrated, yeah a little...I think people just love it because of some similarity it has with Mega Man games.

have you played it?

I have it, yeah.

I agree with you, while Shovel Knight is good (really good) I think it is overrated. Like Ocarina of Time is good but overrated

Whoa, that is a completely absurd comparison. Ocarina if Time is among the most influential 3D games yet released. The gap between OoT and other 3D Action/Adventure games of the era cannot be overstated and I can't think of many modern games that have clearly surpassed what it achieved (for instance, there aren't any from the past year that would likely even be in the conversation).

I love seeing people making this defence for Ocarina of Time, mostly because its funny how little it matters. Are you arguing Ocarina of Time was an influential game? If so, I don't think many would disagree with you. It was a pioneer of 3D in games to a large extent. Does that however, necessarily mean its a good/great game? God no. If anything, it shows us how flawed the initial vision for 3D was in gaming.

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