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OptometristLime

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Nintendo has a fairly barebones marketplace on the Wii U meaning a smaller pool of games to map deals onto.
Let's assume there are occasional discounts on the eShop, and likewise occasional discounts on Playstation for non-subscribers.
Then we can look at how the PS+ program might offer a benefit that is distinct. Also I'm not sure how your one year of abysmal experiences has greater merit than the average PS customer who seems to really like the program.

I'm glad you feel the service has value as a built in cost to using the PS4, but I'm not convinced that it offers more value than the same service on PS3. If anything it further confuses the argument by adding a new variable, which is the online fee.

Miyamoto on his desire to focus more on the (hard)core Nintendo fan.

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I just think that they could have offered better services for that subscription.

Sony subscriptions:
Music Unlimited
Video Unlimited
AT&T cellular service for PS Vita
PS+
PS Now

They aren't able to offer one subscription that allows access to all their services. There's little to no chance that their investment in offering services can be compensated.

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@SCAR392 List of free Xbox 360 games from 10th June 2013-16th February 2014: Toy Soldiers: Cold War, Dead Island, Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light, Sleeping Dogs, Shoot Many Robots, Gears of War, Iron Brigade, A World of Keflings, Halo 3, Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes, Rainbow Six: Vegas, Magic the Gathering 2013, Dead Rising 2 (including Case Zero DLC), Crackdown, Assassin’s Creed 2, Defense Grid: The Awakening, Fable 3.
List of Playstation Plus games:
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1 Wipeout HD June 29, 2010
2 Zen Pinball August 4, 2010
3 Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse (episodes 1–5) September 1, 2010
4 Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix October 6, 2010
5 Critter Crunch November 3, 2010
6 Cuboid December 1, 2010
7 Sackboy's Prehistoric Moves December 7, 2010
8 Shatter January 5, 2011
9 Lead and Gold: Gangs of the Wild West February 2, 2011
10 Astro Tripper March 2, 2011
11 Sonic the Hedgehog
12 Prince of Persia Classic April 6, 2011
13 Red Faction: Battlegrounds
14 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
15 Pain April 20, 2011
16 Burnout Paradise June 2, 2011
17 Magic: The Gathering – Duels of the Planeswalkers
18 Streets of Rage 2
19 Golden Axe July 6, 2011
20 Supersonic Acrobatic Rocket-Powered Battle-Cars
21 Castle Crashers July 13, 2011
22 Comet Crash July 26, 2011
23 Comix Zone August 3, 2011
24 Crash Commando
25 Altered Beast September 7, 2011
26 Plants vs. Zombies
27 Dead Nation October 26, 2011
28 Hydrophobia Prophecy November 2, 2011
29 Tomb Raider: Underworld December 7, 2011
30 Marvel Pinball December 14, 2011
31 Back to the Future: The Game (episodes 1–5) January 4, 2012
32 Voodoo Dice
33 Far Cry 2 February 8, 2012
34 The Simpsons Arcade Game
35 Sly Raccoon March 7, 2012
36 Trine 2
37 Shank 2 April 4, 2012
38 Shift 2: Unleashed
39 Awesomenauts May 2, 2012
40 Hamsterball
41 Magic Orbz
42 Mahjong Tales: Ancient Wisdom
43 Mushroom Wars
44 Ricochet HD
45 Sky Fighter
46 Smash Cars
47 Wakeboarding HD
48 Chime Super Deluxe June 6, 2012
49 Darksiders
50 Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath HD
51 Outland
52 Renegade Ops
53 Virtua Fighter 5: Final Showdown
54 Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine
55 InFamous 2 June 12, 2013
56 LittleBigPlanet 2
57 MotorStorm: Apocalypse
58 Deus Ex: Human Revolution July 4, 2012
59 Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light July 18, 2012
60 Saints Row 2
61 Dead Space 2 August 1, 2012
62 Rock of Ages
63 Borderlands August 16, 2012
64 Just Cause 2
65 Retro/Grade August 22, 2012
66 Red Dead Redemption September 5, 2012
67 Double Dragon Neon September 12, 2012
68 Machinarium
69 Scott Pilgrim vs. the World: The Game
70 Starhawk (single player) September 26, 2012
71 Hell Yeah! Wrath of the Dead Rabbit October 3, 2012
72 Bulletstorm October 10, 2012
73 Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition
74 Cubixx HD November 7, 2012
75 Crysis 2
76 Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One
77 Batman: Arkham City December 5, 2012
78 Limbo
79 Vanquish
80 Big Sky Infinity (cross-buy) December 12, 2012
81 Knytt Underground (cross-buy) December 21, 2012
82 Mortal Kombat January 2, 2013
Gotham City Impostors (Australia and Germany)
83 BioShock 2
84 Guardians of Middle-earth
85 Sleeping Dogs February 6, 2013
Binary Domain (Germany)
86 F1 Race Stars May 1, 2013
87 Quantum Conundrum
88 Mass Effect 3 March 6, 2013
89 Dead or Alive 5 May 29, 2013
90 Joe Danger 2: The Movie
91 Ōkami HD April 3, 2013 May 1, 2013
92 The Cave July 3, 2013
93 The Lord of the Rings: War in the North
94 Thomas Was Alone (cross-buy) April 24, 2013 May 22, 2013
95 Hitman: Absolution May 1, 2013 May 29, 2013
96 Catherine July 31, 2013
97 Malicious
98 Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning May 29, 2013 July 3, 2013
99 Demon's Souls August 28, 2013
100 Ico & Shadow of the Colossus
101 LittleBigPlanet Karting June 12, 2013 June 2014
102 Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception (single player)
103 XCOM: Enemy Unknown
104 Battlefield 3 July 3, 2013 July 31, 2013
105 Payday: The Heist September 25, 2013
106 Saints Row: The Third
107 Need for Speed: Most Wanted July 31, 2013 August 28, 2013
108 When Vikings Attack! (cross-buy)
109 Mafia II October 23, 2013
110 Spec Ops: The Line
NBA 2K13 (United Arab Emirates)
111 Assassin's Creed III August 28, 2013 September 25, 2013
112 The Jak and Daxter Trilogy (cross-buy) November 27, 2013
113 Stealth Inc: A Clone in the Dark (cross-buy)
114 Far Cry 3 September 25, 2013 October 23, 2013
115 Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen December 24, 2013
116 Giana Sisters: Twisted Dreams
117 Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance October 23, 2013 November 27, 2013
118 MotorStorm RC (cross-buy)
119 Remember Me January 29, 2014
120 Grid 2 November 27, 2013 December 24, 2013
121 Guacamelee! (cross-buy)
122 DmC: Devil May Cry December 24, 2013 January 29, 2014
123 Borderlands 2
124 BioShock Infinite January 29, 2014
125 Metro: Last Light

PS4
1 Contrast November 29, 2013 January 8, 2014
2 Resogun February 5, 2014
3 Don't Starve January 8, 2014
4 Outlast February 5, 2014

PS Vita
1 Chronovolt November 21, 2012
2 Gravity Rush
3 Tales from Space: Mutant Blobs Attack
4 Uncharted: Golden Abyss
5 Big Sky Infinity (cross-buy) December 12, 2012
6 Mortal Kombat December 19, 2012
7 Knytt Underground (cross-buy) December 21, 2012
8 Jet Set Radio January 16, 2013
9 The Pinball Arcade January 23, 2013
10 Wipeout 2048 February 13, 2013
11 Lumines Electronic Symphony February 20, 2013
12 Metal Gear Solid HD Collection March 13, 2013
13 Puddle March 20, 2013
14 Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward April 10, 2013 May 8, 2013
15 Thomas Was Alone (cross-buy) April 24, 2013 May 22, 2013
16 Sine Mora May 8, 2013 June 5, 2013
17 Velocity Ultra May 15, 2013 June 12, 2013
18 Coconut Dodge: Revitalised June 5, 2013 July 3, 2013
19 Rayman Origins
20 Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus July 3, 2013 July 31, 2013
21 Unit 13
22 Lego Lord of the Rings July 31, 2013 August 28, 2013
23 When Vikings Attack! (cross-buy)
24 New Little King's Story August 28, 2013 September 25, 2013
25 Urban Trial Freestyle
26 The Jak and Daxter Trilogy (cross-buy) November 27, 2013
27 Stealth Inc: A Clone in the Dark (cross-buy)
28 Street Fighter X Tekken September 25, 2013 October 23, 2013
29 Touch My Katamari
30 MotorStorm RC (cross-buy) October 23, 2013 November 27, 2013
31 Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath HD
32 Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed November 27, 2013 December 24, 2013
33 Guacamelee! (cross-buy)
34 BlazBlue: Continuum Shift Extend December 24, 2013 January 29, 2014
35 Soul Sacrifice
36 Dynasty Warriors Next January 29, 2014
37 ModNation Racers: Road Trip
The range of games available on plus again blows the games with Gold promotion out of the water the end.

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44. Posted:

@Jazzer94
Ya, and you don't get to keep the PS+ games, but you can keep the Xbox Live Gold games.

Even if Xbox Live gives you less games, it's ultimately still a better deal, because you get to keep them.

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How many people like having certain features of their console locked behind a subscription? Wii U offers online multiplayer, access to video streaming apps, and discounts on many of their digital games without a subscription. What would be the plus of forcing people to pay for those things? Nintendo would make more money... Wow a company not looking to take every cent you have, how evil they must be (sarcasm)

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46. Posted:

SCAR392 wrote:

@Jazzer94
Ya, and you don't get to keep the PS+ games, but you can keep the Xbox Live Gold games.

Even if Xbox Live gives you less games, it's ultimately still a better deal, because you get to keep them.

No its not because a lot of the games offered went for $5-$10 and were both old games and most people owned them by the time they were offered example Halo 3, Crackdown, AC2 and Fable 3 the rest of the games are pretty bad, if you like mediocrity then I suppose those deals are great.

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47. Posted:

DefHalan wrote:

How many people like having certain features of their console locked behind a subscription? Wii U offers online multiplayer, access to video streaming apps, and discounts on many of their digital games without a subscription. What would be the plus of forcing people to pay for those things? Nintendo would make more money... Wow a company not looking to take every cent you have, how evil they must be (sarcasm)

I don't own a PS4 but I'm pretty sure you don't need PS+ to access video streaming services like Netflix and Hulu plus etc you only need it for online.
Edit: Also Sony have sales that do not require PS+ so I'm not understanding your last point.

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48. Posted:

Think of this way, after you finish your physical copy games then you can trade it in for new game right? Well I hate to tell you but Playstation Plus offer better deal than trading down games. I'm just saying.

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Think of this way, after you finish your physical copy games then you can trade it in for new game right? Well I hate to tell you but Playstation Plus offer better deal than trading down games. I'm just saying.

Maybe for partial credit for that trade in

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Nintendo doesn't have enough games on the Wii U to do a service like PS+ or Games for Gold. its the sad truth but these services are built upon the back on how much you want to give it too the the third party publishers and the Wii Us first party content would be dry in a few months.

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51. Posted:

@Jazzer94
I don't have experience with Sony either but all that applies to Micosoft's subscription. I can see the benefits behind PS+ but the fact is that I don't want to miss out on any system features because I don't pay a subscription. I payed for Xbox Live for over 9 years and Microsoft kept adding apps I, as a gamer, wasn't interested in. Why should I be paying for ESPN when I don't want it? So any subscription service I am against

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@Jazzer94
It depends on what you call mediocre. That's opinion, and you can't judge off of that. You still can't keep PS+ games, which means they aren't free.

You don't have to pay for discounts. They inevitably happen, which is a flaw in how that subscription works.

You think PS+ is great. I don't. Who gives a damn? If you love it so much, then go buy a PS4, and stop expecting Nintendo to follow suit with an arguably questionable service.

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shingi_70 wrote:

Nintendo doesn't have enough games on the Wii U to do a service like PS+ or Games for Gold. its the sad truth but these services are built upon the back on how much you want to give it too the the third party publishers and the Wii Us first party content would be dry in a few months.

Agree, and selling first-party games at a heavy discount, well that would leave Nintendo high and "dry" (to borrow the analogy).

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Miyamoto on his desire to focus more on the (hard)core Nintendo fan.

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@SCAR392 I'm sorry why do I need to buy a PS4 and also I only commentated that I would be interested in Nintendo doing a similar service as PS+ not that I was "expecting Nintendo to follow suit" and if PS+ is questionable then so is Netflix and even buying games off the E-shop seeing as if your console breaks you might not be able to play your games again something that isn't a problem with PS+.

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55. Posted:

@Jazzer94
We're talking about subscriptions, not account systems.

I don't even care about Netflix. PS Now is basically what you're asking for, to rent games, so there you go.

I'm saying that if you think PS+ is the model subscription based service, then it would presumably be enough to not expect it from anywhere else.

So you want a subscription service on Wii U. That's fine, but PS+ arguably isn't the ideal subscription model that Nintendo should striving for, so no, they shouldn't have a subscription service like PS+.

That doesn't rule out a subscription service, but it does rule out that the said subscription service should be similar to PS+.

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I don't know a single person who has paid for PS+ on PS3 and regret it... Even ask Microsoft fanboys if they wouldn't prefer to get the games offered in PS+ even if they couldn't keep them without a subscription, some would defend microsoft model out of fanboyism but most would accept they'll take a 40 dollar game for one year over a 4 dollar one permanently...... PS4 may be a different story as I said... but yah PS+ as it is on PS3 and Vita is the ideal subscription model... Nintendo does not have enough games for the system to work (3DS have lots of games but still less than PS3 and even Sony has trouble coming up with games for the Vita which does have more games than Wii U) but if they could offer something like PS+ I don't see how could anyone complain.......

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I don't know a single person who has paid for PS+ on PS3 and regret it... Even ask Microsoft fanboys if they wouldn't prefer to get the games offered in PS+ even if they couldn't keep them without a subscription, some would defend microsoft model out of fanboyism but most would accept they'll take a 40 dollar game for one year over a 4 dollar one permanently...... PS4 may be a different story as I said... but yah PS+ as it is on PS3 and Vita is the ideal subscription model... Nintendo does not have enough games for the system to work (3DS have lots of games but still less than PS3 and even Sony has trouble coming up with games for the Vita which does have more games than Wii U) but if they could offer something like PS+ I don't see how could anyone complain.......

I would complain about losing online features

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SCAR392 wrote:

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It depends on what you call mediocre. That's opinion, and you can't judge off of that. You still can't keep PS+ games, which means they aren't free.

You don't have to pay for discounts. They inevitably happen, which is a flaw in how that subscription works.

You think PS+ is great. I don't. Who gives a damn? If you love it so much, then go buy a PS4, and stop expecting Nintendo to follow suit with an arguably questionable service.

Wait, so not keeping the games makes PS+ suck? Is that what you're implying here? PS+ is $50 a year with several free games that you would have pair for more otherwise. Who cares if you can or can't keep them

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DefHalan wrote:

ferthepoet wrote:

I don't know a single person who has paid for PS+ on PS3 and regret it... Even ask Microsoft fanboys if they wouldn't prefer to get the games offered in PS+ even if they couldn't keep them without a subscription, some would defend microsoft model out of fanboyism but most would accept they'll take a 40 dollar game for one year over a 4 dollar one permanently...... PS4 may be a different story as I said... but yah PS+ as it is on PS3 and Vita is the ideal subscription model... Nintendo does not have enough games for the system to work (3DS have lots of games but still less than PS3 and even Sony has trouble coming up with games for the Vita which does have more games than Wii U) but if they could offer something like PS+ I don't see how could anyone complain.......

I would complain about losing online features

That's why I said that the ideal would be PS+ as is on the PS3 and Vita, not as it is on the PS4

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SCAR392 wrote:

@Jazzer94
It depends on what you call mediocre. That's opinion, and you can't judge off of that. You still can't keep PS+ games, which means they aren't free.

You don't have to pay for discounts. They inevitably happen, which is a flaw in how that subscription works.

You think PS+ is great. I don't. Who gives a damn? If you love it so much, then go buy a PS4, and stop expecting Nintendo to follow suit with an arguably questionable service.

Wait, so not keeping the games makes PS+ suck? Is that what you're implying here? PS+ is $50 a year with several free games that you would have pair for more otherwise. Who cares if you can or can't keep them

People who want a guarantee they'll still own their own games. AKA the people complaining about the lack of a unified account for Nintendo.

I actually think PS+ is awesome for what it was but don't act like even this is some flawless thing for everyone ever.

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