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161. Posted:

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I disagree with the abandonment because they're still releasing Kirby, Rhythm Heaven, and Skyward Sword on the Wii. Still, unfortunately for the Wii, the 3DS is the focus as well as the Wii U.

yes they are totally abandoning it like a sunken ship and all the games they are releasing now (beside Zelda) are re-cycles of old ideas (Kirby, Rhythm Heaven, Pilotwings) or localizations of Japanese titles. There hasn't been any creative effort from Nintendo this year and all they care about now is not in supporting the Wii, but in making the transition to the WiiU as painless and possible without losing too many fans on the way.

You quoted wrong and may want to edit that. In the quote, Izbirdboy said that, not wheels2050

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162. Posted:

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No it's not, I agree with that. But where has been the people's support when they had to buy Zack & Wiki, Muramasa, de Blob 2, Conduit 2, Madworld, A Boy and His Blob, Silent Hill etc etc?!

That's certainly a valid point. I can't speak for others, but I bought 4 of the games you've listed - although I know they're not going to release any more just for me. However, it would be nice if they actually advertised any of these ('they' being either Nintendo or other publishers). At least in Australia, the only games that get any sort of advertising are the Marios and Zeldas. You can't expect to just throw a bunch of copies of Muramasa on a shelf without any sort of publicity and think they will sell well.

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I disagree with the abandonment because they're still releasing Kirby, Rhythm Heaven, and Skyward Sword on the Wii. Still, unfortunately for the Wii, the 3DS is the focus as well as the Wii U.

Three games in ONE YEAR is support?

No it's not, I agree with that. But where has been the people's support when they had to buy Zack & Wiki, Muramasa, de Blob 2, Conduit 2, Madworld, A Boy and His Blob, Silent Hill etc etc?!

1) They didn't know about them, since most of those games got very little advertisement...though I do remember seeing a Silent Hill: Shattered Memories poster at my local Gamestop.
2) Those games don't appeal to their tastes, as most of them are either niche or of genres better served on other platforms.
3) Perhaps, just perhaps, even if it was their genre, even if they did know about them, they honestly thought they wouldn't be worth their time. Since honestly, those games are far from the best games on the Wii.

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164. Posted:

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I disagree with the abandonment because they're still releasing Kirby, Rhythm Heaven, and Skyward Sword on the Wii. Still, unfortunately for the Wii, the 3DS is the focus as well as the Wii U.

Three games in ONE YEAR is support?

No it's not, I agree with that. But where has been the people's support when they had to buy Zack & Wiki, Muramasa, de Blob 2, Conduit 2, Madworld, A Boy and His Blob, Silent Hill etc etc?!

1) They didn't know about them, since most of those games got very little advertisement...though I do remember seeing a Silent Hill: Shattered Memories poster at my local Gamestop.
2) Those games don't appeal to their tastes, as most of them are either niche or of genres better served on other platforms.
3) Perhaps, just perhaps, even if it was their genre, even if they did know about them, they honestly thought they wouldn't be worth their time. Since honestly, those games are far from the best games on the Wii.

Aren't Xenoblade and Last Story niche RPG games?

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165. Posted:

I'd hardly classify anything made by the creator of Final Fantasy "niche". Xenoblade, maybe, but just advertise The Last Story as being "From the creator of Final Fantasy" and it's an instant hit. Plus, from what I've seen, they're considered to be some of the best RPGs of this generation.

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166. Posted:

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I'd hardly classify anything made by the creator of Final Fantasy "niche". Xenoblade, maybe, but just advertise The Last Story as being "From the creator of Final Fantasy" and it's an instant hit. Plus, from what I've seen, they're considered to be some of the best RPGs of this generation.

Of the Wii or overall?

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167. Posted:

Mickeymac wrote:

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lzbirdboy wrote:

I disagree with the abandonment because they're still releasing Kirby, Rhythm Heaven, and Skyward Sword on the Wii. Still, unfortunately for the Wii, the 3DS is the focus as well as the Wii U.

Three games in ONE YEAR is support?

No it's not, I agree with that. But where has been the people's support when they had to buy Zack & Wiki, Muramasa, de Blob 2, Conduit 2, Madworld, A Boy and His Blob, Silent Hill etc etc?!

1) They didn't know about them, since most of those games got very little advertisement...though I do remember seeing a Silent Hill: Shattered Memories poster at my local Gamestop.
2) Those games don't appeal to their tastes, as most of them are either niche or of genres better served on other platforms.
3) Perhaps, just perhaps, even if it was their genre, even if they did know about them, they honestly thought they wouldn't be worth their time. Since honestly, those games are far from the best games on the Wii.

1. Yes, poor advertising is something we already discussed. But these games sold atrociously even among Wii fanatics who obviously knew about their existence. And what does it take for someone who owns a Wii to understand that there are new games released? I don't know how's the situation in the US, but here only high-profile games get some kind of ad. We don't have someone that smashes the game in our face to make us notice that it exists, we do like we've always done...check the magazines, check the internet or simply go to the damn shop and see if there's some new game!! As a matter of fact, most of the Wii enthusiasts are getting them now that the Wii is dead instead of getting them in 2007-2010. Why? Too many good games to buy? But if there were so many good games that people couldn't keep up with the new releases, why complain in the first place?!

2. No, there's nothing neche-y in the games I mentioned. A puzzle game, a platformer, a FPS, blood, horror etc etc. Pretty straight stuff that could be enjoyed by everyone, even by the average audience (as opposite to Xenoblade or The Last Story that are games for "connoisseurs" only).

3. They are not the best games on the Wii (well, I'd argue about Silent Hill, Muramasa and Zack and Wiki) but they are all between good and great. The point always is the same: there have been great games that people haven't bought.
So this leads me to believe that people don't want "just" a great game: they want a moltitude of games to choose from, even if they'll end up buying the obvious choice!!

A lot of people can't care less about Xenoblade, The Last Story or Pandora's Tower. They're using them as a scapegoat to demonstrate their frustration because other consoles give you wider choices. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

These three games mentioned will be released in Europe and in english language (think of how lucky you are...if an european wants to get an exclusive US game, he/she has to learn english first!), so i'm sure people who are really interested in them are going to import them and find a way to play them on their machine. It's not that much of a drama, if you want them you can play them anyway.

That said, I admit that the Wii hasn't been a perfect console and 2011 has been awful, but still it has a robust library of games. I just hate to see people complain and complain because NoA is evil and NoA has to be destroyed and NoA doesn't care about us and bla bla blah and yet they forgot to buy the games when the games needed to be bought!

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168. Posted:

@spizz
there's a serious difference between a niche genre and a niche game. Just because a game is a platformer doesn't mean it's automatically easily accessible. Opoona is a pretty standard RPG, but it's a pretty niche title. The genre has nothing to do with how obscure the title is.

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169. Posted:

grenworthshero wrote:

@spizz
there's a serious difference between a niche genre and a niche game. Just because a game is a platformer doesn't mean it's automatically easily accessible. Opoona is a pretty standard RPG, but it's a pretty niche title. The genre has nothing to do with how obscure the title is.

agree with that, although I still think that there are genres that are more accessible than others to the average consumer. I've met a lot of seasoned gamers who have never played in full an RPG because their mechanics do not appeal to everyone, and I must say that it's legit. On the other hand, platformers, puzzles and shooters are usually (and I mean usually, there are obviously, sophisticated exceptions) more intuitive, hence they don't scare the audience as much as a 120h JRPG does. I'm not very fond of RPGs myself either, although I'll definitely play a good one.

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170. Posted:

You're only looking at a small amount of RPGs. Many RPGs are actually pretty accessible, like Dragon Quest.

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171. Posted:

lzbirdboy wrote:

Of the Wii or overall?

There are definitely a few people around, who would consider Xenoblade among the best all platforms have to offer - at least in Japan and from the western import impressions I read.

Have a look here! These rankings are from a user review site and as every numeric meta-score they are inherently flawed if you use it as a personal measure for liking a game or not. But nevertheless, there must have been enough people around who liked it enough to rank it this highly. Note: the scores are also old, as Xenoblade stands at 89 at the time I write this.

On the other hand, The Last Story comes out with a rather low score.

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You're only looking at a small amount of RPGs. Many RPGs are actually pretty accessible, like Dragon Quest.

As the genre is (mostly correctly) associated with a stigma of number crunching and slow game mechanics, the accessibility of the Dragon Quest series doesn't help them anymore than telling your average CoD-, Madden-and-not-much-else-loving PS360 fanatic that there are a whole lot of outstanding and unique "hardcore" Wii games the be played - if they only got over their spleen. Dragon Quest's art screaming Dragon Ball and thus "Anime" for obvious reasons, the series being built on mechanics from the early to mid 90s and - going by DQ4, which I've played - that it can be a single player grind fest, doesn't help much.

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Yeah, Dragon Quest is a poor example. Have you ever played the original? Nothing but a grind-fest.

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173. Posted:

I honestly really want this released to the United States. How do you fix Final Fantasy XII? Add Monster Hunter elements! Looks great and if I got the money to, I'd definitely buy this right away.

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174. Posted:

This rumour that I saw on gonintendo gives some hope for Americans:

RUMOR - Xenoblade Chronicles NA localization done, The Last Story in progress

Here's a bit of rumored information from the Operation Rainfall gang. Consider this rumor, as the information comes from a supposed inside source at Nintendo.

  • American localization of Xenoblade is complete
  • The Last Story is currently being translated to English for an American release
  • no word on Pandora’s Tower localization
  • Redmond, WA branch of NoA has been working with other branches to bring Xenoblade and The Last Story to North America
  • NSTC version of Xenoblade was completed just over a month ago
  • Testing for the PAL and NSTC versions

If this is true then Europe will be getting all three while America will be getting Xenoblade chronicles and The last story with Pandora's tower still unconfirmed.
NOE just confirmed that it would be released in Europe two weeks early on the 19th August!!!

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175. Posted:

That rumor is far too convenient to be true. I don't buy it :P

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176. Posted:

I think they mean they are testing the EU version...

Not sure why though...can't NOE localise if that is the case?

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177. Posted:

@burny
It seems that in that site you posted (wii mk2 or something), Xenoblade seems to have pretty much higher average score than any other game in there. Now that just raised my expectations a notch once again.

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178. Posted:

Wise Guy wrote:

Mickeymac wrote:

You're only looking at a small amount of RPGs. Many RPGs are actually pretty accessible, like Dragon Quest.

As the genre is (mostly correctly) associated with a stigma of number crunching and slow game mechanics, the accessibility of the Dragon Quest series doesn't help them anymore than telling your average CoD-, Madden-and-not-much-else-loving PS360 fanatic that there are a whole lot of outstanding and unique "hardcore" Wii games the be played - if they only got over their spleen. Dragon Quest's art screaming Dragon Ball and thus "Anime" for obvious reasons, the series being built on mechanics from the early to mid 90s and - going by DQ4, which I've played - that it can be a single player grind fest, doesn't help much.

The point was that it's easy to understand and get into, nothing about the stigma of others, just the stigma of that one person. Anyways, what's your suggestion, Wise Guy? You got any better examples?

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179. Posted:

Kingbuilder wrote:

I honestly really want this released to the United States. How do you fix Final Fantasy XII? Add Monster Hunter elements! Looks great and if I got the money to, I'd definitely buy this right away.

I would definitely like to see some more adventure rpgs, with WiFi capabilities like that of Monster Hunter Tri.

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WiiAboutU wrote:

Kingbuilder wrote:

I honestly really want this released to the United States. How do you fix Final Fantasy XII? Add Monster Hunter elements! Looks great and if I got the money to, I'd definitely buy this right away.

I would definitely like to see some more adventure rpgs, with WiFi capabilities like that of Monster Hunter Tri.

Monster hunter is an adventure game, not an rpg! Its the same with Zelda and Okami. Its so annoying when people call adventure game like those rpgs.

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