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Topic: "Wii is not in a healthy state" - Satoru Iwata on Wii's momentum

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RandomWiiPlayer wrote:

Well, the sales are going to stop going crazy, it all makes sense now.

The Wii is half Gamecube. I forgot about that.

Hmm... So if Wii decides to go full-out Wii next generation, they'll be able to sell more and do more without the GC weighing it down. Thank God I skipped the sixth generation with my trusty N64. The GameCube was a success but not so out-there.... I felt bad for the old indigo lunchbox back then, I only played Smash Bros. on it over my cousin's house.

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I hope this means that they're taking some of the competition out there seriously.

NSMB is going to be a huge hit this christmas. After that there's a bit of a wait......., but it just may be worth it?

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Well, there might not be a wait. Galaxy 2 could really hit any time. They've already said it could have been released this year but they already had enough Mario lined up. Maybe we'll see it early next year, followed by S&P2 not long after (or vice versa). Fingers crossed. Nintendo just needs to spread out its good titles better. We had a bad lull last year, and NPCs didn't really help anything except fuel pointless (but entertaining) debate.

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I'm sorry but I'll be helping Sony out this year.... I've waited far too long and I've convinced my parents so I'll be getting a PS3 this year. Sorry but Nintendo might be in trouble they may have a few really big guns, but Sony has even more big guns just coming out and coming soon. Heres a list of those guns in my Opinion:
Wii:
Super Mario Galaxy 2, NSMBW, Metroid: Other M, Sin and Punishment 2, Monster Hunter 3 ,FFCC: TCB, Red Steel 2 (Maybe), Arc Rise Fantasia (Maybe), TvC: UAS, Epic Mickey, and a couple more games possibly.
PS3:
ModNation Racers, GOW III, Uncharted 2: Among Theives, Heavy Rain, Final Fantasy XIII, White Knight Chronicles, Gran Turismo 5, Ratchet and Clank: A Crack in Time, Modern Warfare 2, MAG, Final Fantasy XIV, Star Ocean: The Last Hope International, and several others.
Not looking good for the Wii. The PS3 has brought out the big guns and is ready for battle!

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Is no secret that Japan's console market is shrinking. Over there portables are now the "real" consoles.

The lifestyle of japanese people just made them less receptive to consoles unlike before. The Wii had a great success with the girl teenagers and housewives while the everyday shrinking base of nerds and hardcores use the Playstation 3. But everybody, of any gender, skill and age play portables (NDS).

Games like Mario Kart Wii, Wii Fit, Monster Hunter 3 and soon NSMBWii (Mario galaxy sold very poorly on japan so no, MG2 won't help) will help them but it will be a hard task and it will be interesting to watch.

Goodf Luck to Nintendo!

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The short sightness of these comments made me sick. Do you really think that Nintendo is worried about the irrelevant Hardcore gamers? PS3 can keep those gamers because is the only thing that can help them (and is not working).

Nintendo is aimer higher, to you, your mom, your neighborg, your boyfriend, your girlfriend, your dad.... It did before but cooled down and now they have to get it back, Is not impossible but it won't be easy.

Of course they did noticed about the PS3 very tiny small growth but everybody knows that's Nintendo's least of things to worry.

Don't be so close minded.

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Of course they did noticed about the PS3 very tiny small growth

That growth was huge, Nintendo should worry. Sony did incredibly well last gen, and at the last second they could make a comeback. This gen still has a few years ahead of it, you never know.

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buffalobob wrote:

The short sightness of these comments made me sick. Do you really think that Nintendo is worried about the irrelevant Hardcore gamers? PS3 can keep those gamers because is the only thing that can help them (and is not working).

Nintendo is aimer higher, to you, your mom, your neighborg, your boyfriend, your girlfriend, your dad.... It did before but cooled down and now they have to get it back, Is not impossible but it won't be easy.

Of course they did noticed about the PS3 very tiny small growth but everybody knows that's Nintendo's least of things to worry.

Don't be so close minded.

Great reply there, buffalobob.

To me, I love how Nintendo is reaching out further to pull in the new gamers. As for Sony, they'll crash and burn if they keep catering to the same hypocritical audience they call fanboys.

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RandomWiiPlayer wrote:

That growth was huge, Nintendo should worry. Sony did incredibly well last gen, and at the last second they could make a comeback. This gen still has a few years ahead of it, you never know.

No it wasn't Sony's "amazing" sales were the same on Nintendo's worst moments. They did noticed them of course, besides that's their job and part of being a disruptor is being paranoid.

But Nintendo has sold like any other console did before (and it will take a lot of time to happen) and that's something Sony won't ever accompish, at least not in this generation.

Nintendo is more worried to keep attracting new blood.

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I don't know that sheer quantity is enough though, Super Mario Man. If you take it by category, Wii looks pretty good, and I'd say they have about as much to offer in terms of quality.

Platformer: NSMBW, SMG2; R&C. I don't think many would put Ratchet above Galaxy, and Galaxy and NSMBW offer some significant variety between the two.

Shooter: Red Steel 2, S&P2; Modern Warfare 2, MAG. Clearly PS3 wins here, but really, do we need another MW? I'm more excited about S&P2 as it represents a genre that doesn't already have a killer title this generation.

Adventure: Other M; Uncharted 2... This is harder to compare. I have only played U2 online, not the single-player, and we don't know what Other M will be like. The time between titles makes this even more difficult.

RPG: Monster Hunter 3, FFCC, Arc Rise Fantasia, Tales of Graces; FFXIII, FFXIV, Star Ocean, White Knight, Tales of Vesperia. Both have an online RPG and good-looking traditional RPGs lined up. Vesperia is a 360 remake, it should be noted.

Racer: ExciteBike; Gran Turismo, Mod Nation Racers. Mod Nation easily takes the cake here, though honestly I'd be more excited by Super Mario Kart on VC than all of these put together. And who knows, maybe we'll finally get F-Zero next year... a boy can dream.

That of course leaves several games outside of genre (God of War 3, TvC, Heavy Rain, Epic Mickey), and others I've forgotten in the already mentioned genres, but it covers most of the big titles, and I don't think PS3 has overshadowed the Wii in terms of 2010 games just yet. If MGS Rising or Last Guardian is confirmed for 2010 (doubt it), that would certainly make things a bit bleaker though.

EDIT: @buffalobob, no one has said anything close-minded. If someone thinks PS3 is selling well enough for Nintendo to be concerned, even if you think they're incorrect, there's nothing "close-minded" about that.

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it seems micrisoft is surviving. maby its a sighn that Japan is falling.....or like buffalobob said, handhelds are the new thing.
if u dont belive sony will fall, wach gamespots "on the spot"

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EDIT: @buffalobob, no one has said anything close-minded. If someone thinks PS3 is selling well enough for Nintendo to be concerned, even if you think they're incorrect, there's nothing "close-minded" about that.

That's not what I meant with close-minded, I was talking about the "yeah hur hur Nintendo iz nut hardkur hur hur I haz no gamez to play for my wii cuz i kolecting dust hur hur hur zony rlz" abrsurd comments that appears everytime Nintendo says "yeah we are stalled but we are working on that". Is thinking that games just revolves around me me me and me and forget the real achievement of this generation: returning games to its root. The Wii achieved that more than any other console and just because they cooled off one year everybody is treating them like the soon-to-be losers.

That's what bothers me. Not if Sony will "comeback" or not (because it won't. they missed that ship and they won't have refunds).

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I don't think that's even relevant. Of course games don't revolve around "me" (hypothetically speaking, not me personally), but if the games of one system don't cater to you and the games of another system do, then it makes no sense to hold onto the Wii. Let's face it, the wider audience Nintendo has opened the doors to is not the same audience that comes to this forum. No matter how silly you make your strawman talk, his point is still valid if he honestly does not like the games coming out for the Wii. Achievements mean little if you feel like you've been left behind by the company you support. Again, I don't personally feel this way, but it's certainly not close-minded of someone else to, and these gamers buy the most software, so it is certainly in Nintendo's interests to hold onto them even if they aren't the majority in their target audience.

EDIT: Oh, I see, just read your edited response, and that makes more sense... however, I don't think anyone sees them as "soon-to-be losers" per se, at least from the impression I got reading these comments -- just that they might not have as tight a hold on the market in the near future as they had in the past, which is a legitimate concern for Nintendo. Maybe I underestimate the intensity of these comments.

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34. Posted:

Supermarioman wrote:

Not looking good for the Wii. The PS3 has brought out the big guns and is ready for battle!

Says the guy with a pile of Nintendo consoles for his avatar. What a shame. :(

The Wii will do just fine, so long as the latter half of 2010 is as impressive as the first in terms of big releases.

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At the risk of going all Orlick on you, wasn't Nintendo named the most profitable company in the world this year?

NSMBWii appeals to Nintendo veterans like myself, but also to people I've spoken to who don't play games that much. I think it'll avert any possible disaster.

Whether dominant or otherwise, Nintendo has always lived from one blockbuster to the next rather than having a steady stream of titles. The NES was successful pretty much because of SMB & SMB3, not a huge roster but nonetheless games I still enjoy today.

If Super Mario Galaxy 2 is half as good as the original, they'll be nothing to worry about.

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I'm sure the increased sales of the Playstation 3 have made Nintendo a bit nervous, especially with Uncharted 2 garnering so much attention in the media, but with Super Mario Galaxy 2, Metroid: Other M, and a new Wii Zelda title in the works, I wouldn't too worried just yet. :)

maybe they'll go twlight princess on on with zelda D: by that i mean since rumors are going around about a wii 2 (doesnt have to be called that but whatever) coming in 2011 or 2012 maybe they'll dealy zelda an extra year or so to make it a laucnh title for the new system

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@ The Launcher of Cows
I thought Orlick immediately when I saw the thread title.

But this is Nintendo's president saying it's not healthy, not some random forum user, so I think there's more reason to take it seriously. Also, the NES has a gigantic library of quality first- and third-party titles. Wii cannot quite attest to the same. Sure, SMB 1&3 were the big standouts, but it would have been successful regardless as it was the system with Mega Man, FF / DQ (well, these helped in Japan), etc.

I don't think anyone suggests they're on the verge of disaster, either, but just that they could be doing better, which sure, they could. You can always do better. If they want to put the smackdown on the PS3, they need more titles and especially more third-party support. I don't think the PS3 is going away though, at least not in Japan. Of course, I have to wonder how many of these PS3 sales aren't from consumers who already own a Wii, in which case it's not exactly lost hardware sales... though it does mean something for potential software sales to those consumers.

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@Adam - Don't forget that the NES didn't had great 3d party support from the start. On the contrary, the console was launched in 1984/1985 and the best games appeared until 1988 more or less. The NES was seemed as stupid and companies treated it that way (not all of them). Many great games from capcom, konami, square and enix appeared way much later. And it has a HUGE ammount of shovelware.

@to everyone, Honestly I think we should stop blaming Nintendo for the bad 3d party games and instead blame the REAL culprits: the 3d parties. They see wii users as retards (sorry but is true..it seems to start changing slowly until now) and there are no excuses for do that. Nintendo do their job and they do it greatly. If 3d parties make bad games they are the only responsibles. Not Nintendo.

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@Adam - Don't forget that the NES didn't had great 3d party support from the start. On the contrary, the console was launched in 1984/1985 and the best games appeared until 1988 more or less..

Well, I'm not sure how apt comparing the NES to the Wii's situation is. The industry is quite different from those days.

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Sure sales of the Wii have slowed down but they have sold over 50 million units in less than 3 years and thats pretty good. Price drop spiked the sales back up some. They got a great lineup of games coming out over the next 4 or 5 months and the worst thing about this lineup is I am only going to be able to afford a small fraction of these games.

@buffalobob - I like the new avatar !

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