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Modern_Legend

Hi guys, i've always tried to wrap my head around the misconception of the wii having bad graphics. Why do so many people say this when the wii has games like galaxy, metroid corruption (Corruption has just gorgeous graphics, lighting, models...etc), brawl, and the conduit have such amazing graphics that are on par with games of the other consoles? This to me brings up the other issue regarding the wii's graphics for me. If these games i've just mentioned can have such amazing graphics on par with the other consoles...howcome these kinds of graphics aren't in all or majority of the games on wii?

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Odnetnin

DaDun wrote:

This to me brings up the other issue regarding the wii's graphics for me. If these games i've just mentioned can have such amazing graphics on par with the other consoles...howcome these kinds of graphics aren't in all or majority of the games on wii?

Third-party devs and publishers don't care. With the exception of EA, (possibly) High Voltage Software, and a select few others.

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AlexSays

DaDun wrote:

and the conduit have such amazing graphics that are on par with games of the other consoles?

Yeah... I can't take this one seriously.

DaDun wrote:

If these games i've just mentioned can have such amazing graphics on par with the other consoles...howcome these kinds of graphics aren't in all or majority of the games on wii?

They aren't on par with 360 and PS3 games.

The Wii is technically much inferior. It can't have nearly as good of graphics.

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Chrono_Cross

Third Party devs focus more on the Wii`s controls rather than its graphics. Which is why most of the third party games on Wii suffer graphics wise.
The Wii`s graphics when compared to the 360/PS3 in a nice word “suck”.

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The Wii is technically far less powerful than the PS3 and 360. That isn't to say there aren't any great looking games on the system. Punch-Out!!, Super Mario Galaxy, and Excitebots have some really nice looking graphics - but if you put them on a 360, they can become even better.

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ColdPizza

DaDun wrote:

Hi guys, i've always tried to wrap my head around the misconception of the wii having bad graphics. Why do so many people say this when the wii has games like galaxy, metroid corruption (Corruption has just gorgeous graphics, lighting, models...etc), brawl, and the conduit have such amazing graphics that are on par with games of the other consoles? This to me brings up the other issue regarding the wii's graphics for me. If these games i've just mentioned can have such amazing graphics on par with the other consoles...howcome these kinds of graphics aren't in all or majority of the games on wii?

Lol I'm sorry but not even Galaxy is on par with the 360 and PS3. The Wii's a very good console but it can not compare to the PS3/360. Graphics aren't everything but the Wii is like the GameCube but with better lighting.

Heres Metroid Prime 3: http://baradaatthesarlaccpit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/m...
And here is Resident Evil 5: http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/889/889626/...

So yeah the Wii can't hold a candle to the PS360 in terms of graphics. But again, its still a good console. Notice that MP3 has very bland textures and a lot of jaggies due to a lack of much AA. Both Galaxy and MP3 only look good because they've got a lot of lighting make-up.

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ASDFGHJKL

Well to me artistic design is more important than console power. The other consoles bring a clearer, brighter picture which happen to draw people in like bugs seeing a bright light. Though as realistic as a game can look, it mostly matters how those graphics give you a sense of atmosphere, such as mario galaxy and metroid prime 3. Yes they look good, they bring you into the worlds and not just show you them. But the other consoles draw you in easier. And there are some good graphics in Xbox/PS3 games, but others just are bright and shiny. So to me its not the graphics, its what you do with them

ASDFGHJKL

Modern_Legend

Chrono+Cross wrote:

Third Party devs focus more on the Wii`s controls rather than its graphics. Which is why most of the third party games on Wii suffer graphics wise.

The controls in those games with good graphics i fine to be very good myself tho, i had no problem in galaxy or metroid controlling my character. Isn't metroid also by third party as well and its from 2007 lol! How has no one matched the graphics vs gameplay for a game from 2 years ago? I really am oblivious to this issue of wii games not having good graphics when they obviously can as proven by other games

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Modern_Legend

ColdPizza wrote:

DaDun wrote:

Hi guys, i've always tried to wrap my head around the misconception of the wii having bad graphics. Why do so many people say this when the wii has games like galaxy, metroid corruption (Corruption has just gorgeous graphics, lighting, models...etc), brawl, and the conduit have such amazing graphics that are on par with games of the other consoles? This to me brings up the other issue regarding the wii's graphics for me. If these games i've just mentioned can have such amazing graphics on par with the other consoles...howcome these kinds of graphics aren't in all or majority of the games on wii?

Lol I'm sorry but not even Galaxy is on par with the 360 and PS3. The Wii's a very good console but it can not compare to the PS3/360. Graphics aren't everything but the Wii is like the GameCube but with better lighting.

Heres Metroid Prime 3: http://baradaatthesarlaccpit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/m...
And here is Resident Evil 5: http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/889/889626/...

So yeah the Wii can't hold a candle to the PS360 in terms of graphics. But again, its still a good console. Notice that MP3 has very bland textures and a lot of jaggies due to a lack of much AA. Both Galaxy and MP3 only look good because they've got a lot of lighting make-up.

....wow u r definitely right about the ps3 but i thot galaxy cud match at least 360 graphics...also, r u sure you can't find a better screen shot for metroid cuz i was playing it recently and i swear it looks better than that.

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AlexSays

DaDun wrote:

....wow u r definitely right about the ps3 but i thot galaxy cud match at least 360 graphics...

The 360 and PS3 are very close in terms of power.

Galaxy can't match either.

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Chrono_Cross

DaDun wrote:

Chrono+Cross wrote:

Third Party devs focus more on the Wii`s controls rather than its graphics. Which is why most of the third party games on Wii suffer graphics wise.

The controls in those games with good graphics i fine to be very good myself tho, i had no problem in galaxy or metroid controlling my character. Isn't metroid also by third party as well and its from 2007 lol! How has no one matched the graphics vs gameplay for a game from 2 years ago? I really am oblivious to this issue of wii games not having good graphics when they obviously can as proven by other games

Metroid Prime 3 was developed by Retro Studios, published by Nintendo, as of 8/2007.
A handful of Wii games do have great graphics but nowhere near as good as the HD 360 and PS3.

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Modern_Legend

AlexSays wrote:

DaDun wrote:

....wow u r definitely right about the ps3 but i thot galaxy cud match at least 360 graphics...

The 360 and PS3 are very close in terms of power.

Galaxy can't match either.

hmmm... i love nintendo n im not a graphics over gameplay guy, but im really confused at how nintendo decided to make a console without HD graphics when the xbox360 came out with HD i believe a year before the wii, didnt nintendo think they shud match and/or improve upon the 360's graphics power since the 360 came out a year before their wii with HD?

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ASDFGHJKL

@DaDun-they couldnt afford it. They didnt get as good sales with the gamecube and couldnt afford to give the power that the PS3. Instead they found a cheaper console that could revolutioinize the market, without the HD power. And they succeded. Sony and Microsoft make more than videogames and have enough money too make their console. Expect Nintendo too catch up next generation with the Wii's tremendous sales. Just a guess though.

ASDFGHJKL

Corbs

Not only does it cost money to produce HD visuals, it also takes proessing power. Maybe Nintendo didn't feel they needed to use up valuable processing power to produce HD visuals, when they didn't absolutely have to. They felt like it wasn't as high on the priority list, and in truth, not many people thought HD would take off as fast as it has, especially in the world of video games.

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jangonov

The wii is far inferior to the 360 in terms of graphics. Ill admit that. But I agree with gabegreens. It is how the graphics pull you into the game and how suiting they are to the feel of the game that makes them good. Raw processing power is nice and all but Ive seen beautiful games on 360 that were terrible. I mean look at super mario brothers. That was only 8 bit but it looks great and feels great because the graphics suit the mood. Same with the original halo on xbox. That really fit. Halo 3s visuals were not too much different they just added lighting, higher poly counts, etc.
edit and as always the post before me by corbie brings up a good point too

Edited on by jangonov

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Here's the long and short of it:

  • The Wii is designed to only output 480p graphics. If the other consoles output 480p instead of 1080i/p, then the visuals would be comparable
  • Nintendo was coming off the $99 GameCube kick when they made the Wii. Miyamoto has previously stated that they wanted to be able to sell the new console at that price. In result, the memory and processor cost would have been prohibitive back in 2005 when they were working on it. (see note below)
  • The other consoles went HD, but it didn't help them much. They were FAR more expensive out of the gate and both ate electricity for breakfast. Microsoft failed to provide proper cooling for the amount of processing needed at 90nm and ended up with an unthinkable number of failures.
  • Third parties could do a better job on graphics, but they just don't care enough. Most do a conversion of PS2 graphics, which means no filters, no lighting, and no shading.
  • Third parties like the 360 and PS3 because of the IDTech and Unreal engines. Developers/Publishers love them because it means the graphical effects and networking are absolutely free with the purchase of the engine. The developer just slaps in some new content and calls it a day. (Which is part of the reason why there are so many FPSes on these platforms.) These engines are from the PC world. The 360 and PS3 are the first consoles similar enough to PC hardware to make this work. HVS is looking to change this situation with the engine used in the Conduit.

Side Note: The fact that the Wii was designed with the $99 price tag in mind means that Nintendo has a long way they could drop the price. I wouldn't be surprised if they were seeing a $150 markup at this point in time. In fact, it's widely believed that Nintendo was going to introduce the Wii at $199, but upped the price after they saw the market reaction. With the insane numbers of consoles they've sold, I don't see Nintendo reducing the retail price anytime soon.

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ColdPizza

GabeGreens wrote:

Well to me artistic design is more important than console power. The other consoles bring a clearer, brighter picture which happen to draw people in like bugs seeing a bright light. Though as realistic as a game can look, it mostly matters how those graphics give you a sense of atmosphere, such as mario galaxy and metroid prime 3. Yes they look good, they bring you into the worlds and not just show you them. But the other consoles draw you in easier. And there are some good graphics in Xbox/PS3 games, but others just are bright and shiny. So to me its not the graphics, its what you do with them

DaDun wrote:

ColdPizza wrote:

DaDun wrote:

Hi guys, i've always tried to wrap my head around the misconception of the wii having bad graphics. Why do so many people say this when the wii has games like galaxy, metroid corruption (Corruption has just gorgeous graphics, lighting, models...etc), brawl, and the conduit have such amazing graphics that are on par with games of the other consoles? This to me brings up the other issue regarding the wii's graphics for me. If these games i've just mentioned can have such amazing graphics on par with the other consoles...howcome these kinds of graphics aren't in all or majority of the games on wii?

Lol I'm sorry but not even Galaxy is on par with the 360 and PS3. The Wii's a very good console but it can not compare to the PS3/360. Graphics aren't everything but the Wii is like the GameCube but with better lighting.

Heres Metroid Prime 3: http://baradaatthesarlaccpit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/m...
And here is Resident Evil 5: http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/889/889626/...

So yeah the Wii can't hold a candle to the PS360 in terms of graphics. But again, its still a good console. Notice that MP3 has very bland textures and a lot of jaggies due to a lack of much AA. Both Galaxy and MP3 only look good because they've got a lot of lighting make-up.

....wow u r definitely right about the ps3 but i thot galaxy cud match at least 360 graphics...also, r u sure you can't find a better screen shot for metroid cuz i was playing it recently and i swear it looks better than that.

I have MP3 and its a great game but that's just a screenshot I found quickly, I didn't do much looking.

Name 3 games with amazing graphics this gen but no artistic direction?

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ColdPizza

jangonov

@thewiirocks
you are mostly right. It means minimal filters, lighting, and shading. I know for a fact that all this is possible with maya 8 (the program used in later ps2 games to create the graphics.) I've played around with the programs ple (personal learning edition) and it can do some amazing things. You just have to spend the time on it. and as a great man once said "time is money"...I think it was Franklin..

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A great majority of sports games, Burnout paradise is completely atmospheric, but doesnt have an art direction, instead it tries to be more realistic. GTA4, for the same reason. Realism is not bad, but stylistic graphics are more to my appeal.

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