They hate it because it was the last Zelda released. When the next one comes out they will hate that one and love Skyward Sword. It's all part of the cycle.
That cycle doesn't exist. Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess were all Zelda games I loved from the very first playthrough. That's definitely not true for Skyward Sword. It's the only Zelda game I've never finished, not because I wasn't willing to, but because the controls were so broken to the point that I couldn't even complete simple mini-games, nor could I defeat Ghirahim in his last fight. And it's not because I dislike the Wii Remote or motion controls; Zack & Wiki is probably one of my favourite games for the Wii. The controls weren't the only bad thing in Skyward Sword either...
The comment you were responding was to everyone not just you cause you said this "That cycle doesn't exist. Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess were all Zelda games I loved from the very first playthrough."You said I,don't say I responding to a comment that's referring to everyone
They hate it because it was the last Zelda released. When the next one comes out they will hate that one and love Skyward Sword. It's all part of the cycle.
That cycle doesn't exist. Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess were all Zelda games I loved from the very first playthrough. That's definitely not true for Skyward Sword. It's the only Zelda game I've never finished, not because I wasn't willing to, but because the controls were so broken to the point that I couldn't even complete simple mini-games, nor could I defeat Ghirahim in his last fight. And it's not because I dislike the Wii Remote or motion controls; Zack & Wiki is probably one of my favourite games for the Wii. The controls weren't the only bad thing in Skyward Sword either...
The comment you were responding was to everyone not just you cause you said this "That cycle doesn't exist. Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess were all Zelda games I loved from the very first playthrough."You said I,don't say I responding to a comment that's referring to everyone
Rezalack said the same Jmaster said. The so-called ''Zelda-cycle''; people will always dislike the latest Zelda game, but will love it once the new one releases. The major problem I have with Skyward Sword are its controls, and those aren't going to fix themselves over time.
Well then, please tell me, how should I respond to a comment that is adressed to ''everyone''? I can only speak for myself. Anyway, my point still stands.
I'm sorry, I hate to be blunt, but Skyward Sword felt like "Zelda for dummies."
Or how a Zelda game would be designed were it intended to cater to a casual audience. The game had no overworld, the entire game pretty much took place in three areas, the Loft Wing was annoying to control compared to the horse in OOT and Twilight Princess, the game's puzzle and dungeons(the main point of a Zelda) were much easier to solve and explore, and Fi is the most annoying, and quite frankly insulting helper the series has ever seen.
She pointed out virtually everything in the game, including a rather insulting "Master your hearts are low! Perhaps you should find some more!" type message. I'm sorry, but I could tell that Link needed hearts due to the fact that he was limping, breathing heavy, and the same beep that has been in the series since the first game was going off! Thanks for pointing out the obvious Fi!
Plus I'll just say it, the motion controls sucked. Yeah, they were impressive but hours into the game, I wished for a normal control scheme. OOT 3D came out the same year and it controlled better then Skyward Sword. So did Wind Waker HD! We did not need motion controls in Zelda! They did not add anything to the game!
My opinion is not jaded by the Zelda Cycle. I like most Zelda games, but I thought Skyward Sword sucked. I was so unhappy with that game, especially after waiting over 5 years for it. What made it even worse is that Twilight Princess is my favorite Zelda game among all the 3D ones!
When Zelda Wii U drops, I doubt my opinion will magically change. I thought Skyward Sword sucked in 2011, and I doubt my opinion will change. Especially since Zelda Wii U seems to be fixing alot of the issues I had with Skyward Sword.
They hate it because it was the last Zelda released. When the next one comes out they will hate that one and love Skyward Sword. It's all part of the cycle.
That cycle doesn't exist. Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess were all Zelda games I loved from the very first playthrough. That's definitely not true for Skyward Sword. It's the only Zelda game I've never finished, not because I wasn't willing to, but because the controls were so broken to the point that I couldn't even complete simple mini-games, nor could I defeat Ghirahim in his last fight. And it's not because I dislike the Wii Remote or motion controls; Zack & Wiki is probably one of my favourite games for the Wii. The controls weren't the only bad thing in Skyward Sword either...
The comment you were responding was to everyone not just you cause you said this "That cycle doesn't exist. Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess were all Zelda games I loved from the very first playthrough."You said I,don't say I responding to a comment that's referring to everyone
Rezalack said the same Jmaster said. The so-called ''Zelda-cycle''; people will always dislike the latest Zelda game, but will love it once the new one releases. The major problem I have with Skyward Sword are its controls, and those aren't going to fix themselves over time. I'm sorry, I couldn't make much of your last sentence, but I think that my argument still stands.
You have no argument cause no one's arguing with you!But back to the topic the guy who posted that comment was referring to everyone as a joke.But you keep typing I,cause for some reason you thought was talking to you! And you couldn't make much of my last sentence?Really?I said don't type I to a comment that's for everyone,not just little old you.
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I bet that in about ten years it'll be the new Wind Waker. Everybody hates it for a few years after it comes out, but a generation or two later the Nostalgia Goggles go on and everybody'll love it.
I actually never had a gamecube, nor ever played Wind Waker until its HD Remake, and it's easily my second favorite Zelda behind Link to The Past (a game I didn't play until nearly 20 years after its release).
Twilight Princess (I played it on the Wii) and Skyward Sword remain my least favorite in the main series due to annoying controls)
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Well then, please tell me, how should I respond to a comment that is adressed to everyone? I can only speak for myself. Anyway, my point still stands.
Well, you don't. You're completely entitled to have your opinion, of course, but when I make a statement about the Zelda fanbase in general, one or two personal opinions aren't going to refute that. There's people who still hate WW as well, but that doesn't change the fact that the general opinion of that game has improved dramatically over the years. (E: before the remake came out).
They hate it because it was the last Zelda released. When the next one comes out they will hate that one and love Skyward Sword. It's all part of the cycle.
That cycle doesn't exist. Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess were all Zelda games I loved from the very first playthrough. That's definitely not true for Skyward Sword. It's the only Zelda game I've never finished, not because I wasn't willing to, but because the controls were so broken to the point that I couldn't even complete simple mini-games, nor could I defeat Ghirahim in his last fight. And it's not because I dislike the Wii Remote or motion controls; Zack & Wiki is probably one of my favourite games for the Wii. The controls weren't the only bad thing in Skyward Sword either...
The comment you were responding was to everyone not just you cause you said this "That cycle doesn't exist. Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess were all Zelda games I loved from the very first playthrough."You said I,don't say I responding to a comment that's referring to everyone
Rezalack said the same Jmaster said. The so-called ''Zelda-cycle''; people will always dislike the latest Zelda game, but will love it once the new one releases. The major problem I have with Skyward Sword are its controls, and those aren't going to fix themselves over time. I'm sorry, I couldn't make much of your last sentence, but I think that my argument still stands.
You have no argument cause no one's arguing with you!But back to the topic the guy who posted that comment was referring to everyone as a joke.But you keep typing I,cause for some reason you thought was talking to you! And you couldn't make much of my last sentence?Really?I said don't type I to a comment that's for everyone,not just little old you.
I already edited my post, that was just a language problem, I read the the wrong way.
Am I not part of that everybody? This is what he said;
''Everybody hates it for a few years after it comes out, but a generation or two later the Nostalgia Goggles go on and everybody'll love it.''
I know that he wasn't talking to me specifically. However, I am at least allowed to respond to this, as I'm certainly part of the group he's referring to, am I not right? I'll say it again; I don't like SS for its controls; and in a generation or two I cannot imagine the controls fixing themselves.
@Jmaster We'll see. I don't think it's a matter of people changing their opinions over the years, but more so the idea that after x number of years only the people with the best memories of the game will remember it fondly. I'm sure there's plenty of people who disliked Wind Waker when it was released, and still dislike the game today. I don't think that the change of opinion (the ''Zelda cycle'') is as big as people make it out to be.
I already edited my post, that was just a language problem, I read the the wrong way.
Am I not part of that everybody? This is what he said;
''Everybody hates it for a few years after it comes out, but a generation or two later the Nostalgia Goggles go on and everybody'll love it.''
I know that he wasn't talking to me specifically. However, I am at least allowed to respond to this, as I'm certainly part of the group he's referring to, am I not right? I'll say it again; I don't like SS for its controls; and in a generation or two I cannot imagine the controls fixing themselves.
@Jmaster We'll see. I don't think it's a matter of people changing their opinions over the years, but more so the idea that after x amount of years only the people with the best memories of the game will remember it fondly. I'm sure there's plenty of people who disliked Wind Waker when it was released, and still dislike the game today.
When someone says "everyone" they almost always mean it as a hyperbole. It doesn't mean literally everyone.
I thought the first dungeon was interesting enough but controlling the sword is horrendous. That Ghirarim boss fight with his glowing, sticky hand too? That was dreadful.
I'm hoping it gets better as things go on.
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@Caryslan I can full-heartedly agree with pretty much everything you said, mate!
Just some additional view: I personally think that the atmosphere of Skyward Sword is actually very good, especially thanks to the incorporation of foreshadowing elements that aren't brutally obvious the entire time. The story itself was rather clumsy since they actually gave Link a bit too much pre-defined traits that made it feel less like YOU'RE the hero, but more that you're following the hero and advise him, not to speak of the fairly nonsensical cryptic-ness of many characters who could've saved everyone a lot of trouble by just being honest instead of hiding crucial information for fake conflict.
But yeah, overall, most new Zelda games have trouble finding wider acceptance at first just for being different, but become more appreciated as the heated discussions subside. Skyward Sword doesn't have that factor: it's not disliked for being different, but for being a pain to deal with, from the more restrictive gameplay over the exhausting motion controls all the way to the annoying design choices. I suppose people will eventually laud this game as "the prequel story, so it's waesome", but that'd end up being the games' only redeeming factor - pretty sad, but that's what happens when features and ideas are getting forced into the game instead of building it around them.
Skyward Sword is the only Zelda game since Ocarina of Time that I flat out did not enjoy. I couldn't even bring myself to finish it. Perhaps I gave up on it too soon, but I doubt revisiting it will change my opinion drastically. So I don't really fit the Zelda cycle. Unless something goes horribly wrong with Zelda U, I'm sure I'll love it (but still dislike Skyward Sword lol)
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I bet that in about ten years it'll be the new Wind Waker. Everybody hates it for a few years after it comes out, but a generation or two later the Nostalgia Goggles go on and everybody'll love it.
They hate it because it was the last Zelda released. When the next one comes out they will hate that one and love Skyward Sword. It's all part of the cycle.
That cycle doesn't exist. Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess were all Zelda games I loved from the very first playthrough. That's definitely not true for Skyward Sword. It's the only Zelda game I've never finished, not because I wasn't willing to, but because the controls were so broken to the point that I couldn't even complete simple mini-games, nor could I defeat Ghirahim in his last fight. And it's not because I dislike the Wii Remote or motion controls; Zack & Wiki is probably one of my favourite games for the Wii. The controls weren't the only bad thing in Skyward Sword either...
Bad controls aren't going to get better over time.
Except the controls aren't bad, they're simply different that what many are used to. I had extreme difficulty beating Ghirahim the first time or two. Probably 20 attempts or so on the first battle with him. Then I beat him in the final battle on my second attempt, because by that point I was much more comfortable with the controls and how to exploit his openings.
The Zelda-cycle only seems to exist among the 3D games, as I don't remember there being a huge backlash against the Oracles, Four Sword, Minish Cap, Spirit Tracks, and A Link Between Worlds (Four Sword Adventures and Phantom Hourglass are the true black sheep of the Zelda universe (even though I love Phantom Hourglass))
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For me its my least favorite of the 3d zeldas, but mostly due to the excessive hand-holding FI and over linear design of the game, then its the controls xD also. just randomly dropping this here..as it seems to fit the thread.
I bet that in about ten years it'll be the new Wind Waker. Everybody hates it for a few years after it comes out, but a generation or two later the Nostalgia Goggles go on and everybody'll love it.
They hate it because it was the last Zelda released. When the next one comes out they will hate that one and love Skyward Sword. It's all part of the cycle.
That cycle doesn't exist. Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess were all Zelda games I loved from the very first playthrough. That's definitely not true for Skyward Sword. It's the only Zelda game I've never finished, not because I wasn't willing to, but because the controls were so broken to the point that I couldn't even complete simple mini-games, nor could I defeat Ghirahim in his last fight. And it's not because I dislike the Wii Remote or motion controls; Zack & Wiki is probably one of my favourite games for the Wii. The controls weren't the only bad thing in Skyward Sword either...
Bad controls aren't going to get better over time.
Except the controls aren't bad, they're simply different that what many are used to. I had extreme difficulty beating Ghirahim the first time or two. Probably 20 attempts or so on the first battle with him. Then I beat him in the final battle on my second attempt, because by that point I was much more comfortable with the controls and how to exploit his openings.
I think that with enough willpower, one can get used to any controls. I've spend countless hours trying to do that harp mini-game, I've tackled Ghirahim about 10 times in his last fight, still no succes. And whilst I'm sure I'm able to beat the game after a few more attempts, that still doesn't rule out the fact that the controls are awkward and don't work for many. I think a good game should have intuitive controls from the beginning. Like I said, I really liked the motion controls in Zack & Wiki, I never had a problem with them, or Battle Quest; the Zelda mini-game in Nintendo Land, swinging a sword in that game worked brilliantly for me. Unfortunately, Skyward Sword doesn't work for me.
I'm selling my copy on eBay. I just don't enjoy it - and that's the only Zelda game I've said that about.
Do we know yet what Wii games may be getting released on the Wii U eShop? I'm thinking of getting Zack & Wiki from eBay or one of the Pikmin New Plays.
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