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eugenewrayburn

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Edge Online did a top 100 'most fun' games to play - and guess who was back to back on the top of the list.

Yeah, 2 N64 games, Mario 64 and Orcarina of Time.....

So - where does that leave the PS2/GC/Box generation,and the current gen? Can't knock Grandpa out of his throne with all your processing powrer?

People here complain about New Play Control, but crap, lets face it, the other big games released these last few years are LONG ESTABLISHED franchises featuring old play it again sam, control - is that progress?

Where is a game to knock socks off like M-64 and OoT did? What, make Metal Gear 5 with 2 hour cutscenes??? Nah. That is regression....

And we all here from Nintendo Apologists whut a dump N64 was for Nintendo, yeah they lost market share, and their media was more expensive than PS1, but just like all Nintendo systems, their software did not expire.....I would rather have those 2 games today than the entire PS1 library. Cause who needs hundred of mediocre filler games when you got solid gold? Know what I mean?

What do you think? That is what I want to know, how do you feel about this?

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I'd take one game, Symphony of the Night (PS1), over the entire N64 library. And Metal Gear Solid 4 did have a ton of cutscenes, but they were fun to watch, and that sort of scope has never been done before in a video game. I don't expect all or even many games to be like that, but it's a nice change of pace once in awhile if you're into that.

So, no I don't really know what you mean. I don't think an Edge Online Top 100 means anything. My top 100 would look very different. Other top 100s from magazines put 2D games like Mario 3 on top. Who cares what one random magazine's opinion is?

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eugenewrayburn

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Perhaps no one cares. But the point is Adam, that 2 N64 games were ranked higher than any of the mountains of games that followed. They are iconic because they broke ground in GAMING. The point is hype today will be flaccid tomorrow. SO why get excied for hype?

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I love what 3-D gaming has brought to the table, but I still love a good dose of 2-D gaming goodness from time to time, and in all honesty, many of my all-time favorite games are 2-D titles. At least the Top 10 anyway. :)

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eugenewrayburn

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I am a big fan of 2-d as well. Digital Distribution has been a boon to 2-d gaming. The N64 era was notable for nearly every franchise making the jump, with mixed and often negative results. Mario and Zelda both stuck their landings quite well however....

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I think that's how it was for many gaming franchises that made the transition to 3-D. Some were obviously more successful than others. Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time are two prime examples. Castlevania, on the other hand, has never really taken off in the 3-D realm.

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Adam

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I don't know... Why get excited for hype? What are you talking about? Are you referring to some particular hype...? This topic is really ambiguous.

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3D Castlevania may not be the best thing on earth, certainly no Mario 64 or OoT, but they're still pretty cool in their own right. There's a lot of hate for Lament of Innocence and Curse of Darkness. I was hesitant to ever play them, but picked them up for $10 each a few years back, and found myself actually rather impressed. Plus, the cutscenes made good fodder for YouTube videos as anybody who knows me there would know. ;)

Don't go believing they're horribly unplayable. They aren't SotN, and there is a lot of recycling and repetition of running through lots of hallways, but give them a try. They certainly have a lot of charm, the characters are very likable, the voice acting is really great (Especially Trevor, he's a curry-loving badass.), and there's still plenty to find. Curse of Darkness is particularly deep, as there are a lot of Innocent Devils to breed, it features a leveling system unlike the previous 3D Castlevania's, and on top of the normal drop items, there are many items that you'll have to steal when an enemies guard is down (stealing can be incredibly annoying at times, though).

Both games have a surprising amount of humor in there, especially Curse of Darkness. It's just... really weird at times. Like the chair room, Iyeti, the Proboscis Fairy, and the return of a certain halloween-themed secret character from LoI. You can also get a Moai from having a save of Lament of Innocence, which you can only get in the PS2 version for obvious reasons. (Silly Konami!)

Lament of Innocence also has arguably the coolest unlockable character of the series, and it's very nice you can unlock him because he's pretty darn mysterious from the little you see of him when you fight him as a boss. :)

If a game is truly good, you're gonna be playing it ten years from when it's made. I think people hype themselves up for things too much. It's nice though, that when it seems like every idea has been done, everything looks the same, it's getting boring, and it's about time to "close the patent office, because we've invented everything", somebody gives us something cool.

Don't lose hope. Devil May Cry, Disgaea, Meteos, Unreal Tournament, Golden Sun, Baten Kaitos, and heck, extremely recently Nippon Ichi made their first action game, Prinny: Can I Really Be the Hero?, and my countless playthroughs should be enough to tell you that it ranks as one of the best platformers I've ever played, and I've been around the block far too much. Also, despite what Gamespot may tell you, the controls are actually not at all broken, which surprised and then angered me, since I went in expecting a below-par platformer, especially considering Nippon Ichi specializes in SRPGs.

Oh, and if you don't think I talked about 3D gaming here enough, sorry. I gravitate towards 2D gaming, which we still get a decent amount of all things considered. Why must every single animated movie be 3D nowadays? After Toy Story (which I saw in theatres along with The Lion King and Aladdin, god I'm old), it seems everybody is freaking Pixar and I'm sick of it. :'(

Look at my avatar. See? Hand-drawn 80's animation, the way it should be! :D

(Oh, and don't group stop-motion in there. It looks a lot better than all that other 3D stuff. The Nightmare Before Christmas is obviously great, as is Coraline. The latter was definitely a huge surprise, I thought it was absolutely amazing. So much that it's in my Top 5 movies! I thought Corpse Bride was really disappointing, though. Almost ironic, that.)

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As big a Castlevania fan as I am, I've never played a single 3-D version of the game that I liked. I'm not saying they're terrible, but Castlevania just has a feel to it that doesn't translate to the 3-D world for me. Those 3-D Castlevania titles are more like Devil May Cry, which is a good game, just not a Castlevania game.

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Jack_Package

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I read the Edge print magazine every month. And I must say, as a 'top 100 games to play today', and not 'best 100 games games ever made' list, I couldn't quite understand why OoT was number 1.

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