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There is no such person. Everyone likes boobs.
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His review is kind of hypocritical. First he complains about Samus pointing out obvious things, but later on he complains about the writers "forgetting" the deleter after Samus finds James' (who obviously was the deleter since he was the last corpse Samus found) corpse. I know his reviews aren't to be taken seriously but I absolutely can't stand them because he thinks hitting on critically acclaimed games and talking fast is funny. I wonder, is the only reason people watch his show because he pisses off fanboys?
Yeah, absolutely.
Minute 1: I hate this game because it spells every little thing out too clearly. Minute 2: I hate this game because it didn't spell these plot developments out clearly.
Oh well. To each his own, of course, but it's difficult to watch ZP without feeling him reach for things to complain about. And, hey, he's a humorist, so...fair play. But anyone who treats those videos as proper reviews really needs to broaden his horizons.
Also: Yahtzee's not the only one to make this mistake, but it's particularly annoying and we're on the subject, so...
Samus was not a "silent protagonist" before Other M. No more than Guybrush Threepwood was a "silent protagonist" before Monkey Island 3. Lack of voice acting does NOT mean "silent protagonist."
Or have these people never read...well...any book? Is every protagonist in literature a "silent protagonist" because we don't press a button on the page to hear their voice?
Sorry. It's just a phrase I've been coming across in Other M reviews and it's quite annoying that they don't bother to research the term to make sure it means what they seem to think it means.
His review is kind of hypocritical. First he complains about Samus pointing out obvious things, but later on he complains about the writers "forgetting" the deleter after Samus finds James' (who obviously was the deleter since he was the last corpse Samus found) corpse. I know his reviews aren't to be taken seriously but I absolutely can't stand them because he thinks hitting on critically acclaimed games and talking fast is funny. I wonder, is the only reason people watch his show because he pisses off fanboys?
Yeah, absolutely.
Minute 1: I hate this game because it spells every little thing out too clearly. Minute 2: I hate this game because it didn't spell these plot developments out clearly.
Oh well. To each his own, of course, but it's difficult to watch ZP without feeling him reach for things to complain about. And, hey, he's a humorist, so...fair play. But anyone who treats those videos as proper reviews really needs to broaden his horizons.
Also: Yahtzee's not the only one to make this mistake, but it's particularly annoying and we're on the subject, so...
Samus was not a "silent protagonist" before Other M. No more than Guybrush Threepwood was a "silent protagonist" before Monkey Island 3. Lack of voice acting does NOT mean "silent protagonist."
Or have these people never read...well...any book? Is every protagonist in literature a "silent protagonist" because we don't press a button on the page to hear their voice?
Sorry. It's just a phrase I've been coming across in Other M reviews and it's quite annoying that they don't bother to research the term to make sure it means what they seem to think it means.
Bless you for saying this. If I have to hear "silent protagonist" one more time...guh!
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Other M's voice acting was bad but the real problem was the game's terrible story. If the story and characters were interesting, then I could care less about the voice acting quality. I thought it would be cool to know more about Samus but honestly, her whiny introspection and repeating of the obvious was just annoying. Her doormat personality didn't help matters either. Action and gameplay are what Team Ninja does best and that's where the game excelled. Just wipe the story from your memory.
Other M's voice acting was bad but the real problem was the game's terrible story.
the story was bad at all, it was just the dialog often wasn't the best. it reminds me of the star wars prequels, where you've got a good overall story told badly, but i don't think it's even that bad.
i'm apparently the only one, but samus didn't strike me as all that much different than the way i imagined her. if she were fluent and really engaged in talking to other people it wouldn't suit her character, being that she only interacts with people every now and then out of obligation.
I liked the voice-acting, it was just the story that made the voice-acting bad. I play video games to get away from reading books, so I like it when video games don't include much reading.
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@romulux: Samus's depiction in Other M was just how I envisioned her as well...
"Don't make enemies, they'll stab your heart; don't make friends, they'll stab your back. Including me, including you, all men are trash. Don't love; don't be loved. Have nothing to do with other; live in isolation."
i've yet to hear anyone complaining really say who it is that they want samus to be. i've heard people relate samus to snake and ripley from the alien movies, saying she should have been more like them, but both of those characters have the same qualities people dislike about samus in other m. another thread had an argument about how snake obviously followed orders and had some maternal issues with the boss, and ripley's character had a lot of depression over losing her daughter in aliens that almost parallels samus' depression at losing the baby metroid.
I don't think it's the fact that Other: M has voice acting, it's the fact that it is poorly done. If Nintendo isn't going to handle it right, I'd rather not have it at all.
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@romulux: Obviously they want Samus to be just a hollow suit of armor that fights its way through entire planets annihilating everything in its path and not being scared of anything (i.e. pretty much every FPS "protagonist" ever)...
"Don't make enemies, they'll stab your heart; don't make friends, they'll stab your back. Including me, including you, all men are trash. Don't love; don't be loved. Have nothing to do with other; live in isolation."
Well I can see how that would get old. But you must admit after having this perception of Samus the past almost 20 some years, everything gets flipped 180. After blowing these things to shreds (the metroids) for years she then all of a sudden develops an attachment to one out of nowhere. I think there could have been more to her and I don't think they wanted a hollow suit ala Master Chief. But just a stronger more independent heroine, what we got was weak, timid and bratty at times.
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Apparently Nintendo does need to remake Metroid II, because people are f'ing clueless as to why Samus is all "touchy-feely" about the baby metroid...
So, the fact that she's a woman with emotions automatically makes Samus weak? Now that's sexist... 2/5
Seriously, though, people are just pissed because Samus wasn't this "loose-cannon bounty hunter that doesn't play by the rules" type character that they imagined her to be and they think that they know better than one of her creators. In reality they just suck at context clues, because Samus has had "feelings" and "vulnerability" ever since Metroid II and has already been "vocal" about it in Metroid Fusion...
"Don't make enemies, they'll stab your heart; don't make friends, they'll stab your back. Including me, including you, all men are trash. Don't love; don't be loved. Have nothing to do with other; live in isolation."
well hey, i never played metroid II either and if i weren't enough of a nerd to absorb all this metroid stuff i wouldn't know it either. it's a very hard game to play since it's the only older one not to see a rerelease anywhere. sakamoto doesn't seem interested in remakes at the moment, so i've got more faith in the fan remake at this point.
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