Topic: The problem with third parties

It's no secret most Third Parties thinks either Wii audience are kids or casual gamers (aka Soccer Moms or something) but yet there are some that tried an effort to support us but yet failed to understood what we want for example recently SEGA and Capcom said their distant sing themselves from Wii but here's a fact why did they think where like PS3 or Xbox 360 fans? I mean they put M-Rated titles recently that only PS3 and 360 fans like another example i have a friend who has both a PS3 and a 360 but not a Wii, he did told me do that Madworld is a game he actually like to play my point is there targeting other platform fans to Wii instead of Wii fans it's a big deference however that's actually the first of many mistake, second this more of an advice then complain if they where smart (i'm not saying there not but sometimes i questioned it) anyway if they where smart they could go back to their archives of successful NES and SNES and revive it for use like Contra 4 or Mega Man 9 (example) some did but at the same time they forget what we liked for start look at the Gamecube fans or the SNES some of use like Okami others Muramasa and Klonoa why because we Nintendo fans always love those type of games instead they think where interested in gore the only gore we like is Mortal Kombat that's it, third (yes it's far from over) it's true casual gaming did had a negative effect on us example lack of E or T Rated games like compared to Gamecube and SNES RPG's and Action/ Adventure i mean even Xbox got Square new IP's while we get a decent Dragon Quest and two Final Fantasy spin off so far (not counting WiiWare or VC) my point is compare the titles to the past Nintendo systems i mean example Street Fighter 2 huge success on snes why no ST 4 then? oh yeah forgot where "casual now", fourth problem innovative games doesn't get hyped Nintendo apparently isn't the only one with problems with lack of trust in us example: Okami had no and i mean no market strategy towards the Wii-release it's like where supposed to imagine one in fact Capcom complain right now about resident evil but did we want it no, we want code veronica or better yet we want games that we asked for like street fighter 4, fifth third parties think Wii and DS audience are not the same it's actually surprising knowing that DS has great third party support from anyone while Wii not explain why Nintendo hits get both best sellers then? example Call of Duty Modern ware was release same time as the other ones wii one release two years later with the sequels plus a DS version of modern warfare 2 in otherwords DS audience are not Wii audience to them we either one or the other not both if it was true our third party list could have been as impressive as the SNES and the final problem is Nintendo don't care about buying exclusive okay that not 100% true since Iwata did make Dragon Quest exclusive to us and a Dragon Quest X is a Wii exclusive but if you think about it that's not enough back in the Gamecube days they tried an effort of getting multiplatform games on Gamecube 100% respect for that now apparently not i mean SSX blur is nice and all but for example Reggie said third parties doesn't get us but if you really want to help reggie go to these third party companies one by one and make exclusive deals like AC 1 Wii edition or Phantasy Star Online all episodes Wii edition invite Third parties in New play Control instead no effort and believe me Third Parties will continue to ignore us till they go bankrupt or bought by Sony or Microsoft either that or release casual nonsense or hardcore nonsense that we didn't ask for I'll bet if the same number of RPG's on the DS was release on Wii it would make a big deference in fact even solved this problem.

The problem with giant blocks of text would be a better title. Much too long to read.

You should use paragraphs. Everybody's doing it.

Sorry about that but i couldn't hold back but in short third party never listen to us but to PS3 and 360 fans while we are left in the dust plus instead of asking us they ask fans of other platform for advice to what games should be released on Wii that's one of the reason of my topic.

this is one sentence. i stopped reading after this, to be honest. in addition to paragraphs like Adam suggests, i'd recommend using sentences that make sense. i'm honestly too confused to give you a reasonable response.

If eyeballs could puke, I'd need two sick bags right now.

Send what you just typed to the perspective third parties. Just promise me you will not create a petition. There is one positive though, as we are getting what should be some great third party titles this year.

Let's see, Capcom, Sega and EA are cutting back on core titles for Wii. Its disappointing that they all got such poor sales. Hopefully they will return WHEN Nintendo releases an HD console.

From what I gather, I see one problem with your post. You lump all Wii owners as Nintendo fans that like a certain type of game. Companies hear that too often and that's why they don't go out of their way to produce good software. I own a Wii but am I Nintendo fan? Hell no. I'm not a fan of any company that sells me products. I care about the product I am buying, not the company themselves. That's not the issue, though. The real issue us that why label us as fans of certain game types just because of the system we have? I love my 360 but hate FPS. There are plenty of other games on the system of different types that I do like. I love my Wii (both of them ) but do I care about Mini Games or even the new Zelda? Nope.

You want to know who to blame for 3rd party games not selling? It's the Nintendo fanboys. It's the people that make Wii Play and Wii Music sell instead of a game like Boon Blox or Okami because it has the Nintendo logo. I have 14 retail Wii games and 10 of them are 3rd party. 3 of the Nintendo games were bought for the game itself and Sports Resort was purchased for the Motion Plus. Now, if you look at your collection and there are more 1st party games than 3rd party then chances are you are a fanboy. I admit that a lot of the 3rd party games are crap. Still, the ones that people claim are great (such as Okami) don't sell yet Sonic does. Why? More fanboys.

Basically what I'm getting at is that the 3rd parties aren't completely at fault for not wanting to support the Wii. Neither are the casual soccer mom's who play Wii Fit or Wii Sports. The big problem are the people who buy games based on only name recognition and company loyalty. It shouldn't matter if a game is made by Nintendo, DDI, SEGA, EA or anyone else-iof a game is good and want more like it then buy it or you don't have any room to whine they quit supporting that type of game.

It gets better.

THIS is one freaking sentence. Seriously check it. Give the guy a medal.

Where was he when we had that longest sentence thread?

No offense intended, but it should be a law for people to learn to use spell check...

In all honesty, the problem with third parties is they expect WAY too much of consumers. If they're that worried about the cost of making these, then why not try limited releases?

I vote he was still writing his reply when the thread died after a few days.

Not. Reading. All. That.

[quote=RowdyRodimus]From what I gather, I see one problem with your post. You lump all Wii owners as Nintendo fans that like a certain type of game. Companies hear that too often and that's why they don't go out of their way to produce good software.

Sorry about that i was using it as a example i was mostly angered that RPG but shooters where putting on the Wii for example i don't no nobody that wanted dead Space Extraction except for a PC friend but again he don't own a Wii another example of my piont. If you notice DS and SNES has lots of RPG look at anyone's Top 10 or Screwattack top 20 SNES games does are example of what third party should do, Konami almost got it right with Castlevania Judgement need idea but not executed well.

[quote=RowdyRodimus]

Dude. BREATHE.
Read your posts back before posting.
Post.

Most of the RPG's on the DS are re releases of games that were on the SNES. The SNES had a lot of RPG's compared to the Wii because they were easier to make then than they are now. Now people want graphics that rival Avatar CGI, if a game came out with sprite based graphics it would be laughed at by the masses who are (for the most part) graphic junkies.

I'm not lumping you in that category, since you mention the DS and SNES games you seem to be able to see the art and charm that sprite based games have. Think about how long it takes Square to put out a Final Fantasy game now. Most of the time is spent on making the game look a certain way so that they can get screenshots on IGN.

As for a pretty good RPG on the Wii, have you tried Opoona? It looks like it was made for kids but it is just really fun and a great way to just sit back and relax. It's control scheme is pretty unique in that it only uses the nunchuck but works really well for what it is.

To be honest no i haven't tried it out yet but that doesn't mean i won't buy it so far Fragile (Xseed US, Rising Star Games EU, Arc Rise Fantasia, Monster Hunter Tri and Epic Mickey are showing great promises i'l buy Opoona then with those if i say a great review.

The problem is that spell check wouldn't help. He didn't misspell a single word. He used the wrong word several times (their and there instead of they're; deference instead of difference; "distant sing" instead of distancing; etc)...but spell check wouldn't catch that. Also, the grammar and punctuation were a huge problem, but spell check wouldn't help there either.

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling

[quote=RowdyRodimus]

That sum's up nicely my thoughts on what I read of your post. For gods sake man go back and edit the thing into paragraphs - Just joking - kinda - but it it be good if you did .