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Topic: Metroid: Other M Hype/Discussion Thread (MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS SO BE CAREFUL)

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Wesbert

1,501. Posted:

I find it interesting that the author of the IGN article claims there was never any sign of emotional response to the baby metroid before. I wonder what the cold-blooded super-bad bountyhunter Samus was thinking when she didn't shoot it when it hatched ("A hatchling metroid? I know I should kill it, but if I sell it on EBay, I'll make a fortune!") Or what she thought when she saw it sacrificing itself for her ("Hah! That's right, sucker, take the brunt of the blast, then I'll drain your power from your dying body for myself! Mwa-ha-har!") But apparently, admitting to having fear makes you panicky, having emotions makes you whiney, obeying orders makes you subservient... At least, if you're a woman. It's okay when you're a man (or did anyone complain about Alan Wake, or the various guys from Silent Hill, etc?[EDIT: By complain I mean in the form of a lengthy article, not the usual forum-whining]) I always thought that overcoming your fears was a sign of strength, since if you don't have fears, you don't need strength. But it seems that's not the case when you're a female: Admit you're afraid, and you remain a weak, hysterical woman even if you subsequently blast seven kinds of hell out of your enemies.
Then again, if Nintendo had stuck to the emotionless bad bountyhunter stereotype, we'd be reading articles along the lines of "Nintendo once again missed an opportunity to mature one of their heroes into a living, three-dimensional being and instead opted to furbish their character once more with an empty husk of an idenity, yet another carbon-copy of the soulless bad killing machine. By refusing to acknowledge that video-game characters are more than just lifeless puppets to be used by the player to kill other things with, Nintendo remains firmly rooted in the shallow world of the 80's..." or something similar (quite possibly by the very same authors).
Apparently, video game heroes need to be forever constricted to space marines and brainless bullys.

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romulux

1,502. Posted:

you said a lot of the things i was thinking. after some 9 games samus was beginning to beginning to feel like an empty shell. you can only see so much of a character without any glimpses into who they are before they start feeling less mysterious and more shallow and 2 dimensional. it was starting to feel like there was nothing under that helmet.

i also think it's very true that samus was never a cold, invincible person. having the mercy to spare the baby metroid was the first real insight into her character, and it turned out to be a disaster: samus was directly responsible for deaths of all the scientists at ceres and the revival of the space pirate's metroid cloning program.

if she hadn't stopped the cloning she would been gone down in history as a very foolish person, but she was lucky enough to succeed mainly because of the baby metroid. it not only allowed her to kill mother brain but also saved her life, making it very plausible that samus would feel a bond with it and want to protect it in return.

the fact that samus was lucky enough for the blast on zebes to destroy the space pirates in the end is probably the only reason she wasn't punished by the federation, and there are a few glimpses into that in other m. she comments on how adam probably lost respect for her over her decision to save the metroid, and the general at the end clearly looks down on her for it. that type of idealistic but irresponsible behavior is the crux of her character in other m, and you can see it in the old games too.

so really it's nothing new in other m, it's just that the old games never overtly showed you any of what was going on in samus' head. i've only picked up on these subtle plot points because i've played super metroid a hundred times over.

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Var

1,503. Posted:

I'm finding that even though I've 100%'ed Normal mode already and completed Hard mode, on another Normal play through I literally just started I'm still finding out new things which I probably should have found out already but it shows that there are so many ways to do things in Other M.
Such as with the Chameleon enemies that are quite frequent towards the start of the game in sector 1, as they dash towards you, you can jump on their backs for an Overblast which dramatically speeds up the kill time.

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romulux

1,504. Posted:

i had the same experience playing through it again. not only finding that you can do overblasts on enemies i didn't think you could before, but finding multiple ways to attack the same enemies. the funnest is doing two or three overblasts in a row without touching the ground.

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1,505. Posted:

Haha gotta love chaining overblasts, just managed to do 2 in a row on zebesians which again I don't think I had previously realised that I could overblast.

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1,506. Posted:

She spared the baby Metroid in Metroid 2, right? The one that no one played and is generally regarded as the weakest Metroid? (I speak rhetorically)

They should remake it. For the 3DS.

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1,507. Posted:

pixelman wrote:

She spared the baby Metroid in Metroid 2, right? The one that no one played and is generally regarded as the weakest Metroid? (I speak rhetorically)

They should remake it. For the 3DS.

Yea right at the end after the Queen Metroid. Also I agree, with the same treatment that the Original got in the shape of Metroid Zero Mission I believe Metroid 2 could become quite a formidable (re)entrant into the series. Plus as its the only Metroid currently unplayable on any current Gen consoles its due a make-over or at the very least a port

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1,508. Posted:

Kid_A wrote:

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romulux wrote:

kinda sad. i wrote a review and noticed this: http://www.amazon.com/Metroid-Other-M-Nintendo-Wii/product-re...

look at the breakdown of scores and you'll see that most people actually gave it a 5, yet it's weighed down by the crowd that gave it 1. i don't understand these people; if you don't like the game that's fine, but do you have to be such a baby that you want it to go down as a failure for everyone else? what do they think they'll gain from lowering the average score?

i've had enough arguing over metroid the past few months for one lifetime, so i really don't care at this point, but i've never seen anything like the reaction people have had to this game. it's one of those things that reminds me to get off the computer and do something constructive, so there's a happy ending here :)

I think it's confirmed that if you give a game that doesn't blatantly suck a 1 your opinion no longer matters.

Yeah. I mean there's always some good, helpful user reviews on Amazon but you've always got to watch those 1 star reviews.

Reminds me of the App Store. People give random 1 reviews to games because "They will open and go back to the home screen" When that obviously is a glitch on the OS and yet people complain about it.

There should be a minimum amount of intelligence required to give something a review.

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ReddLionz

1,509. Posted:

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Not necessarily. Some games just aren't programmed right for all of the iPod/ iPhone types, and they end up crashing. Some developers are also too lazy to update their games to the latest major firmware.

And, well whaddayagonnado about the 1 star reviews. They're always gonna be there.

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1,510. Posted:

Wesbert wrote:

Then again, if Nintendo had stuck to the emotionless bad bountyhunter stereotype, we'd be reading articles along the lines of "Nintendo once again missed an opportunity to mature one of their heroes into a living, three-dimensional being

They need to unite the fans next time around. They need a compromise, like bring back the quiet bad bounty hunter but give her a belly ring so she seems more mature. It makes a statement: she can be vulnerable, she can make mistakes, she's not perfect. Or stretch marks! Stretch marks tell us more than 10 monologues ever could. Then everyone's happy.

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kinda sad. i wrote a review and noticed this: http://www.amazon.com/Metroid-Other-M-Nintendo-Wii/product-re...
if you don't like the game that's fine, but do you have to be such a baby that you want it to go down as a failure for everyone else? what do they think they'll gain from lowering the average score?

Certainly they didn't take your feelings into account. If they had I'm sure they would have given Metroid Other M 5 stars regardless of their own opinions. I find the bigger problem with amazon reviews are having 35 or 15 separate reviews that all say the same thing or those guys who go on for 12 paragraphs like out of work writers.

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Wesbert

1,511. Posted:

Gamesake wrote:

They need a compromise, like bring back the quiet bad bounty hunter but give her a belly ring so she seems more mature. It makes a statement: she can be vulnerable, she can make mistakes, she's not perfect.

In that case, the articles would read something along the lines of "In a pathetic attempt to appeal to present day gamers, Nintendo forced a steaming heap of pop-culture on one of it's oldest gaming heroines, effectively ruining the timeless appeal of the science-fiction setting and selling out it's soul. What's next? A coke vending machine in the Galactic Federation flagship? A Katy Perry cameo as a fellow bounty hunter? A tribal tattoo? Or should Samus receive a smartphone?" After all, every change is a sacrilege, while every omission of change is a sign of lazyness ;)

EDIT: P.S: I REALLY hope no one actually suggests a belly ring in the "Sakamoto Wants to Know Your Metroid: Other M Thoughts" thread...

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Cia

1,512. Posted:

Someone should wrote a counter article to that IGN's. Also, isn't this just Nntendo being traditional, as always? In the first Metroid the shock was that Samus was actually a woman and not some badass robot. Now in Other M the shock is that Samus is actually an emotional, individual human being and not some bad chick with the personality of robot.

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romulux

1,513. Posted:

Gamesake wrote:

Certainly they didn't take your feelings into account. If they had I'm sure they would have given Metroid Other M 5 stars regardless of their own opinions.

i never said anything about wanting the game to get universal praise, it's clearly not for everyone and i don't care if someone dislikes it. what i'm talking about is a pocket of people who go beyond simply disliking it; it's rated with mostly 5 and 4 without many 2 or 3 star reviews, but then when you get to the bottom, '1', the number of reviews skyrockets back up again.

it takes a certain commitment to your hatred for something to give it a 1- ninjabread man, for instance, has an average of 2 stars and it's considered one of the very worst ever made. these people know other m's not a 1 star game. they're just bitter that it didn't turn out how they wanted and are rating it as low as possible to protest.

there are plenty of games out there with much bigger problems than other m that come out unscathed- okami, for instance, has controls that are completely broken, yet it still averages in the 9 range. metroid fusion was at least as linear than this one or more and it still comes out with 9 as well. you can isolate any complaint about this game and find another game that did it far worse while coming out of it highly rated. i think it's evidence of how upset people are that nintendo challenged them with something new when all they wanted was the same thing they've seen before over again.

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1,514. Posted:

I can neither confirm nor deny that somebody at Nintendo Life may or may not be writing an article that defends Other M's interpretation of Samus

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1,515. Posted:

Kid_A wrote:

I can neither confirm nor deny that somebody at Nintendo Life may or may not be writing an article that defends Other M's interpretation of Samus

I can neither confirm nor deny that it's about time!
I'm glad someone is, IGN really annoyed me with their 'Team Ninja ruined Samus! It's all their fault despite the fact that Sakomoto was there the whole time!'

Nice one, guys :D

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ReddLionz

1,516. Posted:

That IGN article was so IGNorant. What were they supposed to do, leave Samus as an unemotionless battle drone that never sleeps?

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1,517. Posted:

I will admit that so far the story of Fusion was definitely better. Mainly because "less is more", I think. But Fusion's story continually got better and so is Other M's story. I just beat the giant crane machine btw. This game has had some great bosses so far. (not surprising as I love most Metroid bosses)

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1,518. Posted:

Never played Fusion. Sounds like its good, though. Can't find my GBA.

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Var

1,519. Posted:

I'm pretty sure this hasn't been pointed out before, even so its worth showing again.
I popped over onto the Metroid.com site today for a browse at the wallpapers and what did I see, but none other than Nintendo Life's review being highlighted on the site.
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1,520. Posted:

Awesome! Nintendo Life's review was pretty spot-on, I'd say.

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