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Topic: Metroid: Other M Hype/Discussion Thread (MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS SO BE CAREFUL)

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1,461. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 13:56 BST

The next Metroid needs help when it comes to designing bosses though.

Phantoon, Ridley and the Lava Fish thing were great, but other than that, they were all a tad mediocre.

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1,462. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 14:29 BST

That post would probably be better off in the spoilers thread, though I guess both are spoiler threads now? But either way, I agree. The new bosses were mostly boring in comparison to returning bosses, including at least one you didn't mention.

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1,463. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 15:23 BST

Oh yeah, the Queen Metroid. Duh.

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1,464. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 15:29 BST

Facedog.

(And that wasn't even the one I was talking about.)

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1,465. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 15:36 BST

:o Who? I has no memory?

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1,466. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 15:46 BST

As I said before, I really don't see the point in spoiling all this stuff here when there is already a thread specifically for spoilers, hence why I didn't say it to begin with.

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1,467. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 20:45 BST

Adam wrote:

It was pretty forced enough as it is. Kraid is the only one I'd really like to see transformed in 3D, but I hate cloning as a plot device (the only worse device would have to be: "It was all a dream"), and I can't think of any other excuse without going back in the timeline. My only hope is that someday they do another Prime game (please be Hunters 2) that brings him back and delivers that Sylux battle Corruption's hidden ending supposedly promises (never beat it myself, but heard about it). As for the next game after Fusion, they need all new stuff, enemies and power-ups. I just don't understand how they're going to keep explaining Samus's need to collect power-ups. It would be kind of ridiculous to start the game with screw attack and space jump.

Fusion had a pretty nice explanation: she gets a new suit! But you're right, if Other M showed us anything, it's that taking away all of Samus' powers is getting more and more forced. Seeing some brand new ones would be nice as well--I quite enjoyed Other M's Diffusion Beam.

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1,468. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 21:07 BST

yeah... Fusion might have some bad things, but at least it moves the series foward and introduce new elements

isn't has been enough prequels?

A dude said that one of the biggest problems with Other M is that it destroys continuity; think about Samus Suit; how it needed to be removed from in Fusion... but now if Samus faint or get scared, the suit will disappear

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1,469. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 21:16 BST

vonseux wrote:

yeah... Fusion might have some bad things, but at least it moves the series foward and introduce new elements

isn't has been enough prequels?

A dude said that one of the biggest problems with Other M is that it destroys continuity; think about Samus Suit; how it needed to be removed from in Fusion... but now if Samus faint or get scared, the suit will disappear

That's not how I saw it. In the Ridley scene, which I assume you're talking about, the suit loses power because he violently grabs her and crushes her, not because she's scared

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1,470. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 21:23 BST

there was many moments when the suit 'blinked'

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1,471. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 21:27 BST

Oh man, don't even start on the suit. I absolutely hate the idea of it being powered by some sort of magic. I had successfully wiped those scenes from my memory until this conversation. Thanks a lot, guys.

It is really ill-fitting. I can buy Phantoon because he is something other. We don't understand him because he is an external force beyond our comprehension. But Samus is the main character wearing a technological suit created by a race that proved to be very mortal.

But about Fusion, yea, I liked Fusion's explanation, and I loved the look of the fusion suit. Of course, they can't do that again. And even if they come up with some completely original explanation as to why Samus loses all her magic powers again, it'll only prove that Samus is some kind of galactic klutz constantly falling into these situations. A bit too coincidental. Other M thankfully avoided this but wasn't really that satisfactory in some aspects, and it can't really be repeated either.

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1,472. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 21:43 BST

Adam, do you read Sean Malstrom blog?

google it

he thinks the Samus Aran character is DEAD... and that nintendo has 2 opitions from now on, either a total reboot or a sequel WITHOUT Samus (witch I think is a very interesting idea)

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1,473. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 21:46 BST

there's also an post about Sakamoto conspiring agains Retro, trying to isolate the Prime trilogy from the main series... very good reading, even if you don't agree with him

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1,474. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 21:48 BST

I'll look it up some time. Don't really care much for reading blogs, but I pretty much agree. I know it's not going to happen, but I believe it's what should happen. They've already said they're going to carry the story forward and of course Samus is going to be the star.

I don't care for reboots personally, but I like the idea of letting another character star or co-star. What I'd prefer most of all though would be for a completely different story / universe with just a similar concept. Video games are way too obsessed with sequels, which is weird when story is not really the biggest drawing point in the first place, so why draw them out, I don't understand.

Edit: In regards to the second post, sounds like silliness. He approved the Prime games in the conceptual phase. It's not like he was surprised by what they had to offer. Not that I'd care if it were true. I don't like Prime much and don't care all that much about what's canon or not.

Edited on Tue 14th September, 2010 @ 21:50 by Adam

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1,475. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 21:53 BST

Oh and the MorphBall isn't some sort of magic... that suit was created by the Chozo, a race way over everyone in technology, like the ancients in StarGate. So if they can make a suit like a second layer of skin, then so be it. Also, if you remember, they weren't able to remove the Suit in Fusion because it's too much integrated in her.

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1,476. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 22:03 BST

Clearly it's not integrated into her if it can disappear entirely. If removing the suit was a problem, she should have just snapped her fingers and make it go away.

The Chozo were mortals bound by the rules of science as much as anyone else. If they were able to create something like that, I find it hard to believe they'd have ever died out. This defies suspension of disbelief and for no real reason. Why not just make the suit pure technology? Doesn't make sense to me. Oh well.

Edited on Tue 14th September, 2010 @ 22:04 by Adam

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1,477. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 22:15 BST

Welcome in SciFi were many things overthrown the laws of physics....

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1,478. Posted: Tue 14th Sep 2010 22:46 BST

I think the story has become like the story of Resident Evil... they had put so much stuff in, that to cover all the plot holes and bull they create more holes and bull. Think something like the LOST series.
Game writting has never been know for continuity.

Edited on Tue 14th September, 2010 @ 23:18 by theblackdragon

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1,479. Posted: Wed 15th Sep 2010 01:07 BST

sakamoto interview that touches on super metroid, metroid 64, and what not: http://www.gamestm.co.uk/interviews/yoshio-sakamoto-discusses...

"A lot of people misunderstood that Team Ninja has only been making games about sexy women characters."

he reveals a few things about why he dislikes 3D games and prefers a more linear style, mainly that is that he has no sense of direction. he couldn't make a metroid on the n64 because he didn't think the controls were compatible for his vision of metroid, which led nintendo to seek out other companies to develop the next installment. this is why sakamoto's team stuck on the GBA while retro wound up working on the home consoles.

it also explains why he's so iffy about the prime games. he has nothing against them directly, it's just that he doesn't like the way most 3D games play in general.

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1,480. Posted: Wed 15th Sep 2010 03:30 BST

Arigner wrote:

Welcome in SciFi were many things overthrown the laws of physics....

Except that sci-fi at least pretends to offer a pseudo-scientific explanation rather than just making things appear by magic. Like how Star Wars pretends to explain lightsabers even as they defy physics.

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