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mariofanatic128 wrote:

I also hope that Ganon doesn't come back. He is the one of the most overrated villains in gaming, he's nearly as overrated as Sephiroth.

Funny, i have always thought them as the greatest two gaming villains of all time (in games OOT and FF VII). It's hard to predict the next Zelda villain, but i wish that it wouldn't be Vaati. He doesn't have the iconic status of Ganon or the personality of Skull Kid. Dark Link would be pretty cool, if done properly.

Hmm, yeah. It could also be the real Majora, before his Mask was made. But hopefully not.

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KaiserGX wrote:

Somehow I think Gannon is the human manifestation of something else. In the opening for Wind Waker there's this black octopus looking thing.

Ganon is a monster manifestation of human Gerudo named Ganondorf.

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This game takes place before OOT, that means it is going to be the very first Zelda game in the Zelda timeline.
I think there is a high probability Ganondorf is going to be in Skyward Sword.

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How about the Moon from Majora's Mask? Going with the whole "sky" theme it could be threatening Skyloft what with its darkness that it brings as it closes in on the world or whatever, but in a different way than it did in the past game (how? That's Nintendo's job to know; they're the devs ). Then for the final boss fight, they could have a wholly original take by having you struggle to stop a natural, unemotional force; not a villain with motives. Unless this all happened in Majora's Mask lol, I barely played that game.

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Faron wrote:

mariofanatic128 wrote:

I also hope that Ganon doesn't come back. He is the one of the most overrated villains in gaming, he's nearly as overrated as Sephiroth.

Funny, i have always thought them as the greatest two gaming villains of all time (in games OOT and FF VII).

I hope you're being sarcastic.

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mariofanatic128 wrote:

Faron wrote:

mariofanatic128 wrote:

I also hope that Ganon doesn't come back. He is the one of the most overrated villains in gaming, he's nearly as overrated as Sephiroth.

Funny, i have always thought them as the greatest two gaming villains of all time (in games OOT and FF VII).

I hope you're being sarcastic.

I'm not. That's my personal opinion based on playing both games through (many times). In my 20- year gaming experience, i still haven't found many games with such captivating final bosses as these.

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Ganon was a good boss, especially in Ocarina. But recurring bosses become less and less interesting except as comic relief (though in less serious games like Mario this actually works out well) with each iteration because with every sequel all they have to add to their resumes is yet another failure.

And in Ganon's case, he already knows what the name of his nemesis will be, so it ought to be obvious that all he needs to do is follow Herod's example and have all boys named Link killed before they're old enough to defeat him. Of course, Herod was a failure, too.

Edit: I should add that I think Ganon works as a recurring villain if you think of each game as a retelling of the same story as distorted over time (hence the "legend" of Zelda), but Nintendo's insistence on this silly timeline doesn't fit with such an interpretation.

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Oregano

I think it'd be a good idea to do a bittersweet ending but it'd be really not like Nintendo.... Link could best Ganondorf in battle but he could fail to prevent something that Ganondorf had put into motion and that could lead into a rare direct sequel with a more traditional, upbeat ending.

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Faron wrote:

mariofanatic128 wrote:

Faron wrote:

mariofanatic128 wrote:

I also hope that Ganon doesn't come back. He is the one of the most overrated villains in gaming, he's nearly as overrated as Sephiroth.

Funny, i have always thought them as the greatest two gaming villains of all time (in games OOT and FF VII).

I hope you're being sarcastic.

I'm not. That's my personal opinion based on playing both games through (many times). In my 20- year gaming experience, i still haven't found many games with such captivating final bosses as these.

Safer Sephiroth is likely the easiest final boss I've ever played in my life plus unlike the mama's boy FF villans such as Kefka, kuja and even Ultemicia succeeded in destroying the world/ rule the world/ become a god like being. I respect your opinion and all but come on, even the biggest FF7 fan admits that the final boss is a joke

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Being a great villain does not mean being a challenging final boss. Ganon's not a difficult final boss either (except in the original, when he's invisible), but that doesn't mean he isn't a cool villain in Ocarina. Destroying the world and becoming a god is so cliche and overwrought, anyway.

Speaking of which, I hope if there is a new villain in Skyward Sword that he has more unique ambitions. Ruling Hyrule in darkness has been tried before.

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"Even the biggest FF7 fan admits that the final boss is a joke"

I SERIOUSLY doubt that statement. You have just read too many opinions of naysayers from the internet. But now that you mentioned it, i actually like Ultimecia at least as much as Sephiroth, if not more.

P.S. This is starting to get completely off-topic

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Oregano

...or alternatively to what I suggested... what if defeating Ganondorf wasn't the end(if he was somehow in the game), what if it was all one game with Ganondorf resurrecting or summoning some even bigger bad and Link taking aim at them, hey Ganondorf could be spared and become a reluctant ally! It'd give something of a logical reason to how he returns later.

...or maybe I'm being silly!

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Faron wrote:

"Even the biggest FF7 fan admits that the final boss is a joke"

I SERIOUSLY doubt that statement. You have just read too many opinions of naysayers from the internet. But now that you mentioned it, i actually like Ultimecia at least as much as Sephiroth, if not more.

P.S. This is starting to get completely off-topic

Onmislash + Ultima weapon = one hit kill First off, second I still thought it was too easy before I started looking at the youtube comments to find and laugh at the fanboys aruguing over who's the best villan better (seriuosly, this is not how people should be using the comments section on youtube for) and lastly this has indeed gone way off-topic from what the thread was meant to be in the first place.

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