Topic: GoldenEye Discussion Thread (OMG OMG OMG)

Not only does his looks not fit due to blonde hair, blue eyes, and a rugged physique (Which is spitting on Ian Fleming's legacy), but the "Craig Bond" also lacks Q, one of the most important characters. Also the attitude and approach is all wrong as he's more action, and without as many gadgets as us Bond fanatics have come to expect.
While I know newcomers won't care about the history of Bond (Which is dumb, in my opinion), to those who have followed the series our entire lives (Considering the movies date back to '62, and novels back to '53), it's a spit in our face.

You do know that the original Bond from the novels was described as 'Cold and Ruthless' by Vesper and had blue eyes and was a soldier in WW2 and had scars.... he was rugged. His appearance differs only in that Craig is blond whilst the novel Bond was black haired but his attitude is the most accurate to the books(Dalton's is also pretty close too). So really if you're going to bang on about the history of bond at least pay attention to the original depiction....(I'm not even a Bond fan and I know this!)

I actually prefer the more physical and less gadget reliant Bond that the Daniel Craig movies embrace. Call it the Jason Bourne influence if you want but I think it makes for a better character.

does it really matter who's playing bond that much? the story looks like it'll play a larger role this time, but in the end it's still a game where you shoot things for fun. skip the scenes if it bothers you that much, you racist, you.

wickedly awesome if true. they've surpassed the conduit pretty well in terms of control options at this point. it'll be interesting to see how conduit 2 matches up, although with how good goldeneye is looking i have no interest left in that game whatsoever.

I never knew a bond girl was the queen of defining who James Bond is. Silly me, I thought it was Ian Fleming all this time. You know, Ian Fleming, man who created James Bond and all, and after seeing Connery potray Bond, rewrote Bond to not only his likeness, but his heritage as well. So the very core of James Bond can be easily represented by looking back to Sean Connery Bond. The more you stray away from that, you less of a Bond you become considering Connery was the only Bond supported by Fleming.
@Rom - This has nothing to do with racism. It has to do with likeness, and respecting the traditions of a property over 5 decades old.

look, i'm not going to argue with you over why you're a raging racist, but i will say that if ian flemming was willing to rewrite the character just like that to suit an actor then maybe the character was never set in stone from the start, eh? i don't see the problem with a new guy doing a slightly different take on an already wildly loose character who has been portrayed by a half dozen actors with their own styles in the past. or at least, i don't see enough of a problem to swear off of any game starring the new guy. it looks fun!

But Ian Fleming wrote Vesper's dialogue..... so he said he was cold and ruthless. That was the interpretation of Bond's personality for years. Hey you know you thinks Craig is a great Bond by the way? Sean Connery that's who, oh and Roger Moore, oh and Timothy Dalton, oh and Pierce Brosnan! They all supported him.

SO you are complaining that Daniel Craig is a different Bond type then the others but you are also complaining about no Q. Well the actor who played Q in all of the movies passed away after the last movie that Pierce Brosnan made hence why they introduced "R". So if they would have got another actor to play Q would you have whined about how Q is not right.

Each actor has his own take on a said part look at Adam Wests Batman. MIcheal Keaton's Batman and Christian Bale's Batman for example or Jack Nicholson's Joker and Heath Ledger's Joker. None of them are wrong just different takes. I know you are new here Bedcommando but please take the negativity elseware.

You know I really don't care about the history of bond, or how he looks like or whatever aspect of him. I want a good FPS!

Yeah seriously. I've read the novels, sir, and I think Daniel Craig's Bond is about as close to Ian Fleming's original vision as Connery was. I think you're just getting a bit too nostalgic--you can't get away with ridiculous gadgets and hammy one-liners these days in cinema, because people don't like that 'camp' vibe like they used to.
Casino Royale is probably my favorite Bond film since Goldfinger (which is my candidate for best Bond film), as I thought it portrayed 007 pitch perfectly. Not only that, but it managed to keep the Bond vibe while managing to keep it relevant and entertaining for the 21st century--something that the Brosnan films failed to do, sans Goldeneye which is quite good.

The fact is, Bourne changed the way people thought about action movies. Its influence on the current Bond movies is incredibly obvious. But the way I see it, that's a good thing. If they were to put gadgets in the Bond films now, after the gritty Bourne films, it would make Bond look weak in comparison.

Well the main thing that Bond has gone away from the gadgets is look at the time we live in now. Back when the Bond movies came out having a computer on your wrist or a video tape player in your car and jet packs or even phones that you can carry everywhere were unheard of. Now if they tried to implament that stuff in the the movies people wont really care since alot of that stuff you can own yourself or in the jet pack case go to YouTube and see some joker try and do the same thing. They had to so something to make Bond seem a cut above the rest so they foucsed more on making him more of an action hero.

Personally I have never seen the Bourne movies since I dont like Matt Damon but I seriously dont think they had an effect on Bond as alot of people claim. Personally I like the more action Bond I mean it kinda of makes sense that he would know how to handle himself if he got into a situation were his gadgets got taken away, but that just might be me.

Those last two impressions were really awesome, especially that tidbit about using the nunchuck to peek out from behind cover. I'm glad to hear that the Wiimote controls are well-implemented and I can't wait to get my hands on this game...

with all the information about the controls coming in i don't remember if button mapping is available or not. i'd only change one thing, swapping reload to C and crouch to -, but it bugs the hell out of me not being able to do that in red steel 2.

Yeah. You definitely haven't seen them. Quantum of Solace is, essentially, a Bourne movie, except with less memorable action scenes (although I think Quantum is actually much better than a lot of people make it out to be).

Back to the actual discussion here, I'm very pumped about the use of the nunchuck. Peeking around corners seems to work really well from all the gameplay footage I've seen

just found this.

look at who's in the bottom left corner. in the game after all?

@romulux: Had it been explicitly stated that he wouldn't show up in the game or something? Boris is pretty minor in the story, so I can see why he hasn't been mentioned until now...

I'm actually very new to the James Bond series of films - but I'm not a youngster. I never had much interest in them until just before the release of Casino Royale, when I decided to watch them all in sequence. I found most of them to be extremely dull, unrealistic and camp.

I found the Roger Moore films (and a lot of people disagree with me on this for some reason - nostalgia?) were the worst of the bunch. He was overweight, had no fighting skills, seemed way too old and seemed like he was pulled right out of a Carry On film. I just cringed - was like seeing your grandad pretending to be Bond, whilst saying terrible one liners. Just seemed like a sleaze, really.

I can understand the love for Connery as he was the first real James Bond, but his films haven't aged well but they have that sixties style to them making them camp in a good retro way, unlike the Moore films.

Licence to Kill was the first film I thought was mildly intersting, but thought the Dalton was lacking as Bond a bit. I liked Goldenye - was the first one I really enjoyed, but the Brosnon films after that started to get a bit camp themselves.

Casino Royale, however, was fantastic. For the first time I believed Bond really was this tough secret agent. He could fight properly (rather than just flipping the enemies over) and looked athletic and I actually believed the women in this film could actually be taken in by his charm. The story was great too and made much more sense to have a more subtle villain than a super villain like bad guy wanting to take over the world for no particular reason. Anyway, my point is I think Daniel Craig is the best Bond - I'm not blinded by nostalgia, and if you are it's fine and understandable to like the older films the best, but you certainly can't say Craig is not James Bond.

Only cheats use Boris-he is invincible!

@Rom
Well when you want a movie depicting your novels, you want it to be as authentic as possible. So working your vision around someone who can potray your image just makes sense. That is what makes Sean Connery the defining James Bond.
James Bond is not a loose character, considering the series has many staples. When fans see a new Bond film, there's reasons why expectations are high.
I'm not only swearing the game off because of Craig, but because of Activision being disrespectful to the original product, and being too cheap to get Brosnan to redo his role.
Anyone here play a game called From Russia With Love? Last Bond game done by EA, and one of the best. Was based off the second Bond movie which is what really put Bond movies on the map, and EA went back to get Sean Connery himself! THAT is how you redo a classic!

@Oregano
While he wrote her dialogue, it's part of her character's impression. Also, it doesn't matter to me if Bonds' previous actors think if the new one is good or bad, because they didn't create Bond, they only played him.

@Tasuki
If Q was like Q is supposed to be, there would be nothing to complain about. Actors are people, and people die.
About the Batman example, I won't comment because I don't care that much for Batman. I'm sure the hardcore Batman fans can point on flaws in the actors, but since I don't know Bats that well, I cannot say if they are good or not.

@Kid_A
James Bond is not Jason Bourne, obviously. If the public is more into Bourne, and don't want more Bond, let Bond die (Not literally in a movie, just stop making films, like they've done). I'd rather see a traditional character be left alone, rather than changed and different than what he is supposed to be.

@Tasuki (Second post)
There is always room for cooler gadgets, it just takes imagination to think of what would be over-the-top but subtle for the time. Obviously the writers can't keep up.

@madgear
See how you went to describe how Craig's Bond is much different than the others? When playing a character others have played before you (especially one that was so close to the author himself!), then don't you think you're doing it wrong? There's over 4 decades of Bonds, and all of them similiar. When you go out and be totally different, then you're acting as a different character, just with the same name.

i don't think anyone is going to stick up for activision, but they're not the only company involved. eurocom is putting their heart and soul into it and from what we've seen i think it's clear that they're treating it with all the respect due, not to mention that nintendo is on board, practically making this a second party game. so yeah, activison's trying to cash in, but they're not the ones making the game.

short of retro studios, eurocom are about the best developers for this i can imagine. if treyarch or infinity ward were making it, on the other hand, i'd be with you.

i don't know if money is the reason for keeping pierce out either. they're not really holding back on the budget, getting the current actors, original script writer, and composer on board with an orchestra. i imagine pierce would probably like to do the game since the original made his name known to a whole generation of gamers, so if they wanted him they probably could have gotten him. they say they wanted to modernize the story and use craig, i'd rather not make insinuations about it without knowing the truth behind it.