Topic: Daemon Hatfield bashes Wii in IGN Podcast

Really don't see the point you're making. If you want to be über-serious about things and take it literally, the wiimote cannot be "stupid" because it lacks a central nervous system. Clearly then, to say an inanimate object is "stupid" doesn't actually contain any meaning and can only be a stand-in word to express frustration with the inanimate object. So no, an inanimate object being "stupid" and it being flawed are not two different things.

Hatfield has a point, whether you like the way he expresses it or not. He made plenty of points there, if you read the transcripts I posted. It's absurd to deny, of all things, that he's making a point!

“M+ wasn`t available at launch but M+ capabilities were.”

Yea I never initially ment the technology wasn`t there I just ment no one was enabled to use it on any games. Thus making your so called Waggle.

Good ol' Daemon, he always was a jerk. A bit like me really. In the end doesn't the podcast just go to prove that even gaming press are nothing more than a bunch of raving fanboys with double standards who'd step over their own mothers to agree with the majority and then regret what they got involved in after? We've all done it at some point (I've done it quite a bit) but that's why I never take any gaming podcast seriously, they breed contempt and generally cover speculative subjects that have been poorly researched, covered way too quickly and tend to be mired by 'what could have been' to provide the listener with a good idea of what to expect (unless it's the WiiDS podcast in which case it's still mis-informed but drawn out to coma inducing levels)

Outside of GoNintendo, whose podcast hardly ever relfects heavily on any subject and never becomes fanatical, I'd suggest leaving the bloody things alone if you want a sensible approach to informed opinion. As for IGN Wii in general, I think their general demeanor relfects the current trends towards the Wii - often there's a lot of negativity and at other times there's a great deal of excitement - they're only human - and everyone has a right to vent their frustrations. Daemon just did it in the worst possible way, but as far as I understand, he's never been a big fan of the Wii anyway. Nor have I for that matter, but it's still my primary console.

@ clicketyclick: He does not have a point, because there are games that work well with the Wii (they even admit it), so the Wii itself can hardly be the (only) cause of the problem, can it?
And it is important HOW you make a point, because if you are close to "having a point", but the reasoning behind it is wrong, you don't, in fact, HAVE a point, even though you might appear to have one to the casual observer. (I reason that one plus one equals two, because it's only logical that the resulting number would have three letters as well!)
You can easily say that something is "stupid" in anger, or when you're drunk, but that doesn't mean it's a valid argument, it's an opinion. And if other people's opinons differ, it's within their rights to say so.

Wesbert, you didn't listen to the podcasts or read the transcripts, did you.

It's one thing for a professional games journalist to be sitting around with his friends ranting and raving about consoles and games and a completely different thing to do it on a public forum that you know is going to be listened to by thousands of gamers.

And tossing in the old grade-school "it's stupid" adage to sum up the flaws of the console or its control system after you've already made some valid points doesn't help matters. That just made him come off as a fanboy and we all know how much credibility is generally given to a raving fanboy, now don't we?

Sometimes when you mouth off, you have to reap the consequences of it. I know, I've been there.

@ clicketyclick: I didn't listen to the podcast, but I read your transcript. The "points" he has are heavily opinionated and just not well reasoned.

And sometimes, people have to take a step back and realise that calling an inanimate object "stupid" is not a serious offense that deserves censure, pursed lips, and finger-wagging. As they said:

If people take the internet so seriously as they've been with this, they're going to die young and not have any fun. Everyone needs to take a couple of breaths and try to appreciate what people mean with their words and what they're actually trying to communicate. It's really not a big deal. The people who have a problem with this are a bunch of Dwight Schrutes.

I'm not saying it's right to take it seriously, I'm saying that it doesn't matter what we think, most Wii fans are going to see those comments as juvenile and offensive, as we've seen from the reaction to the comments. Now he just has to grin and bear it. It didn't seem to bother him too much anyway. But like it or not, he's lost some credibility among the very Wii fans that read IGN's Wii content. Or used to read it, anyway.

@ clicketyclick: Actually, you should listen to your own advise. After all, you're the one who takes the postings in THIS forum most seriously of all, bemoaning the incessant bombardement by fanboys and the frequent threats of torches and pickforks
Yes, it is Mr. Hatfield's right to convey his opinions with whatever wording he chooses. Just as it is everyone else's right to voice their opinion of him in their own wording. He says the Wii is stupid, we say he is stupid. He might have deeper reasons for doing so, just as we might have deeper reasons for doing so as well.
And what the hell is a Dwight Schrute?

Sorry you feel that way. I own a Wii and enjoy it, but I can appreciate another person's differing perspective on it. I think he made some valid points. I wouldn't have summed it up as "the Wii is stupid", but I understand what he was trying to say by that, and I try to hold people to what they mean, rather than their literal word. Otherwise, I'd be arguing in this thread that human beings can't actually be bias, because bias isn't a physical entity.

Out of curiosity then, when you said, "There are games that work well with the Wii (they even admit it), so the Wii itself can hardly be the (only) cause of the problem," what are you referring to as "the problem"?

Yes, I was quite serious when I told people to put their torches back into their pockets...

No, you see, this is why I say people are taking this way too seriously. Someone criticises an inanimate object... and then people attack the person?

Person 1: Man, this music sucks.
Person 2: No stfu! U SUX!

That's why I say Ninty fanboys are coming off as childish. Ad hominem attacks are an immature response to someone who criticises someTHING you like.

By the way, is there a way to make an eyerolling smiley on this board? I could really use it...

That's why I say Ninty fanboys are coming off as childish.

You mean the same way Daemon came off in calling the Wii stupid repeatedly.

@ clicketyclick #92: You don't think the Wii has a problem? Then why do you believe a guy who calls it stupid?

Look, to cut a long discussion short: I have no problem acknowledging that the Wii is flawed in certain points (just as the other consoles are flawed in other areas), and doesn't get the games it deserves (or enough of them). Most people in this forum would agree. However, bad reasoning and wording do ruin the points someone wishes to make, up to a point where it can invalidate them. In my opinion, the wording is very important, whereas you seem to disagree. Well, that's a matter of opinion, and thus can't be argued. However, I would ask you to respect other people's viewpoints as much as you ask them to respect his (um, Mr. Hatfield's, that is).

EDIT: @ clicketyclick #93: As I said, the only person that I see here taking all of this TOO seriously is you, no offense. I did point out that that, just as Mr. Hatfield may have deeper reasons for his choice of words, so might the others. As for your example: If Person 1 does not properly elaborate, that "reasoning" is actually quite valid, since both sides are merely exchanging opinions. Unfortunately.

This has been a good discussion. I wish we had more of these on here.

Sorry all but I can't resist...ahem...

JER-RY! JER-RY! JER-RY! JER-RY! JER-RY!

Seriously, the guy knew what he was saying, probably did it to both get publicity and a few laughs off the PS3/360 crowd, fair do's. I think his opinion's stupid, shall we have a gigantic 5-6 page discussion about my comments?

I fear you are not famous enough to warrant such attention. Of course, if your name were Shia LaB... whoops!

not until you misuse a common word (whether on accident or because you hadn't been taught otherwise) so that i can poke fun at you every other comment. it's so cool when people do that, y'know.

Oh, forgot to tell you guys. Daemon did review Swords & Soldiers, he gave it an 8.7, and called it one of the best console RTS's ever. Point being, he obviously does like some stuff on Wii.

Edit: Here's the link: http://wii.ign.com/articles/982/982994p1.html.

Daemon Hatfield used to work on IGN's Nintendo Channel. There were quite a few people that had issues with the way he approached/discussed/reviewed games on the Wii. Mr. Hatfield no longer works on the Nintendo Channel, but is still a part of IGN.

Now that he's off the Channel and onto something different, he let's loose with some opinions concerning the Wii.

So he is off the Nintendo Channel at IGN due to complaints? Wow. I didn't see that the first time through GoNintendo.