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Nanaki

41. Posted:

__adam wrote:

Nanaki wrote:

The creative minds of Nintendo aren't working on these ports, so I doubt it is really hindering the development of new titles.

I don't know that it is a matter of "Putting these programmers at work on NPC titles is deterring them from creating new titles," but rather "If Nintendo keeps publishing rehashed titles, it will slow the release of new titles -- not because there aren't the resources for them -- but because they don't want the new titles to compete with the old ones, making the old ones look unworthy of purchase."
I'm sure new games are being developed, too, but the question is more, when will we see them? Without these GC remakes to lean on, Nintendo would have more pressure to release new games at a more frequent pace like they were doing a year or two ago.

Take a look at the release list, this is not happening. Have you noticed how close in Proximity Pikmin 1 & 2 are to each other? I wouldn't be surprised to see Pikmin 3 coming out in the next year.

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Adam

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It's possible. It would have been better if they had just skipped the whole NPC business and gotten Pikmin 3 out this year instead, though. Wii got a lot of ports with tacked on motion / IR controls, and every other company received criticism for it, so I don't want to make an exception just because I really like Nintendo. :)

Of course, to be more optimistic, it's not like these are holiday titles. This time of year is generally when the worst games and movies tend to come out; hopefully as summer approaches we'll hear about something new and the NPCs will be left behind for awhile. And even if we do get another disappointing year, at least there is still the VC and WiiWare, which was the reason I got the Wii in the first place. Hopefully Sin & Punishment 2 and Conduit are a sign that we'll have a good third-party year, too, regardless of if Nintendo drops the ball or not.

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43. Posted:

I approve everything Adam says. lol

Digiki wrote:

It's kind of funny though how you argue things like NPC (which are, core games and not mingame collections), but then last year when the VC was crap you were defending Nintendo, since it was in their best interest and they knew what they were doing.

Well yeah it's because no company is solid black and white.
Sometimes they do good stuff and other times it seems the person in charge has been hit with one too many coconuts.

brooks83 wrote:

I will buy the Metroid Prime series whenever they are released for NPC.

Wait I can save you the trouble.

Memory Card $8
Gamecube Controller $15
Metroid Prime $5
Metroid Prime 2 $10

So that's $38 plus shipping, and you could be playing both games in two weeks.
Which will be cheaper and faster than supporting the bad cause Nintendo will be offering.

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Nanaki

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AlexSays wrote:

brooks83 wrote:

I will buy the Metroid Prime series whenever they are released for NPC.

Wait I can save you the trouble.

Memory Card $8
Gamecube Controller $15
Metroid Prime $5
Metroid Prime 2 $10

So that's $38 plus shipping, and you could be playing both games in two weeks.
Which will be cheaper and faster than supporting the bad cause Nintendo will be offering.

Personally, I am going to re-buy these games for the new controls, and I know others here who will be doing the same. I think the new controls are worthwhile, especially in shooters.

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Nanaki wrote:

Take a look at the release list, this is not happening. Have you noticed how close in Proximity Pikmin 1 & 2 are to each other? I wouldn't be surprised to see Pikmin 3 coming out in the next year.

When is NPC Pikmin 2's release date exactly?

And if the game could have been released this year, but is being pushed back because of the remakes, there is a problem.
Well either way there is a problem but this would be an even bigger one.

Nanaki wrote:

Personally, I am going to re-buy these games for the new controls, and I know others here who will be doing the same. I think the new controls are worthwhile, especially in shooters.

That's fine. We're all unique like snowflakes.

It's just letting others know Nintendo could take more games from last gen, slap on Wii controls, and release them as Wii games and that'd be okay with you.
That's not okay with me so I refuse to support this.

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46. Posted:

AlexSays wrote:

Well yeah it's because no company is solid black and white.
Sometimes they do good stuff and other times it seems the person in charge has been hit with one too many coconuts.

brooks83 wrote:

I will buy the Metroid Prime series whenever they are released for NPC.

Wait I can save you the trouble.

Memory Card $8
Gamecube Controller $15
Metroid Prime $5
Metroid Prime 2 $10

So that's $38 plus shipping, and you could be playing both games in two weeks.
Which will be cheaper and faster than supporting the bad cause Nintendo will be offering.

All the more reason to buy used. :)

I rule when it comes to games. So deal with it.

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Nanaki

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AlexSays wrote:

Nanaki wrote:

Take a look at the release list, this is not happening. Have you noticed how close in Proximity Pikmin 1 & 2 are to each other? I wouldn't be surprised to see Pikmin 3 coming out in the next year.

When is NPC Pikmin 2's release date exactly?

And if the game could have been released this year, but is being pushed back because of the remakes, there is a problem.
Well either way there is a problem but this would be an even bigger one.

We get in in 20 days time over here in the UK.

The problem would only be for the old fanbase; as much as it pains me to say this, Nintendo's new fanbase are who they care most about. GameCube was dead in the water, even with fanboys' support. Hopefully launching these games to new players will spark some more interest in the series.

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It's just letting others know Nintendo could take more games from last gen, slap on Wii controls, and release them as Wii games and that'd be okay with you.
That's not okay with me so I refuse to support this.

Nintendo cannot survive on the hardcore fanbase alone, the GameCube was proof of that. I will support anything that keeps them afloat in the market because I know they will still produce those fantastic games that I love, even if they are delayed.

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Nanaki wrote:

Personally, I am going to re-buy these games for the new controls, and I know others here who will be doing the same. I think the new controls are worthwhile, especially in shooters.

Alex says
That's fine. We're all unique like snowflakes.

It's just letting others know Nintendo could take more games from last gen, slap on Wii controls, and release them as Wii games and that'd be okay with you.
That's not okay with me so I refuse to support this.

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And I concure. Why keep buying something that #1 I already own and #2 already know everything that's going to happen?

Wii was new, exciting, and refreshing. They need to keep it that way. Not keep using redundant material.

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Digiki

49. Posted:

AlexSays wrote:

Well yeah it's because no company is solid black and white.
Sometimes they do good stuff and other times it seems the person in charge has been hit with one too many coconuts.

Twas good of you to ignore anything else, and then for the part you did respond to you ignored the concept typed out something fairly irrelevent without really making a point. My point was that you pick arguments about silly things rather than you jumping ship. Nintendo releasing Wiimakes instead of new games is fairly similar to Nintendo releases unpopular games in small quantities.

A better thing to argue would be telling people not to buy first party Wii games, since the older ones are better, at a fraction of the cost, and in some cases the rest of the main series is available for less.

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50. Posted:

Nanaki wrote:

The problem would only be for the old fanbase; as much as it pains me to say this, Nintendo's new fanbase are who they care most about. GameCube was dead in the water, even with fanboys' support. Hopefully launching these games to new players will spark some more interest in the series.

The new fanbase could buy these games used. I know a lot of people whose Wii is their first console in over a decade -- for some, first ever. And they are very familiar with bargain bins as they aren't as used to paying $50 for games as we are. :)
And "getting the new fanbase interested" in a series would be accomplished by releasing a new entry. Either way, the game is new to them.

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A better thing to argue would be telling people not to buy first party Wii games, since the older ones are better, at a fraction of the cost, and in some cases the rest of the main series is available for less.

Except that that that is the exact opposite reason this thread was started, haha. If someone wants Nintendo to keep making new games, which I do, most users here probably do, and AlexSays clearly does, then this is a horrible idea.

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51. Posted:

Digiki wrote:

Twas good of you to ignore anything else

I'm almost positive everything else could have been addressed with another comment in these five or so pages.
Either that or I didn't understand something you said in which there's no reason to respond to that anyway. lol

Digiki wrote:

My point was that you pick arguments about silly things rather than you jumping ship. Nintendo releasing Wiimakes instead of new games is fairly similar to Nintendo releases unpopular games in small quantities.

The Virtual Console operates differently than retail.
Here we have Nintendo releasing fewer games, and the few they do release we can already play.

The main problem back then was that people, like you said, had never heard of those unpopular games. Quantity was never debate-worthy because it only required common sense. What developer would release their game with five other games in the same week, when they could have Nintendo release one or two games a week.

Now if people only wanted popular games on the Virtual Console, that would defeat it's own purpose, being that it gives the opportunity to play games we might've missed out on.
A lot of people have played Mario 64, so only asking for those games and not the quirky, unheard of ones seems a bit nonsensical.

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Nanaki

52. Posted:

__adam wrote:

Nanaki wrote:

The problem would only be for the old fanbase; as much as it pains me to say this, Nintendo's new fanbase are who they care most about. GameCube was dead in the water, even with fanboys' support. Hopefully launching these games to new players will spark some more interest in the series.

The new fanbase could buy these games used. I know a lot of people whose Wii is their first console in over a decade -- for some, first ever. And they are very familiar with bargain bins as they aren't as used to paying $50 for games as we are. :)
And "getting the new fanbase interested" in a series would be accomplished by releasing a new entry. Either way, the game is new to them.

Exactly! Either way the game is indeed new to them, but to Nintendo it isn't. Financially, it makes most sense for Nintendo to make these ports.

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Adam

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What makes financial sense to Nintendo isn't what's being discussed though. What's good for Nintendo and what's good for the long-time Nintendo fan aren't necessarily the same. The idea here is that, for those of us who want to pressure them to make new games (and believe me, I don't think rallying people in this thread will have the slightest impact on Nintendo, but it's an interesting discussion) that everyone can enjoy, this series of rehashed games shouldn't be supported.

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Nanaki

54. Posted:

__adam wrote:

What makes financial sense to Nintendo isn't what's being discussed though. What's good for Nintendo and what's good for the long-time Nintendo fan aren't necessarily the same. The idea here is that, for those of us who want to pressure them to make new games (and believe me, I don't think rallying people in this thread will have the slightest impact on Nintendo, but it's an interesting discussion) that everyone can enjoy, this series of rehashed games shouldn't be supported.

What makes financial sense impacts on my point though; I think anything that keeps Nintendo afloat should be supported. And I actually enjoy these new games, so I support them. I just think that, to have a proper discussion on the topic, we need to look at the reasons why, otherwise the debates will become rather superficial -- it's effectively taking away the argument for them.

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First off, you have no idea what Nintendo's plan is with these games. They could very well be testing the waters with these series again in order to determine whether new iterations should be made.

Secondly, by not purchasing these games, you are not hurting Nintendo in the least, nor are you sending them a message. They have a huge audience by this point, and they're selling these games with full realization that most gamers already played them during their original runs.

In the end, Ninendo will do what Nintendo wants to do. Especially when they aren't hurting for business. In the meantime, I highly doubt that buying these games (or not buying them) will efffect new releases one way or the other, at least in a big way.

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Nanaki wrote:

What makes financial sense impacts on my point though; I think anything that keeps Nintendo afloat should be supported.

Okay now I want to test this. lol

The Virtual Boy and Wii Music should have been supported?

Oh and Nintendo is having no problem keeping afloat, so this isn't a "Oh if we don't buy these rip-offs/quick-cash-ins Nintendo might not make it" situation.

Olimar_91 wrote:

I highly doubt that buying these games (or not buying them) will efffect new releases one way or the other, at least in a big way.

And that could very well be the problem.
People might mistake this for something small, and only realize the full effect when we're reduced to only a couple new games a year, and a constant barrage of NPC titles from every Nintendo system ever released.

As for one of your other points, I'm glad not everyone has had that attitude throughout history. People shouldn't NOT stick up to their beliefs because they think it'll make no difference.

Sure nobody here is trying to keep their seat on a certain bus, but the idea remains.

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Digiki

57. Posted:

Hey Alex in the first list that contained 9 games, only 3 were developed by Nintendo, one of which wasn't even a full game.

From the 2nd list of 5 games, 4 are Nintendo developed, one being an enhanced port.

Your arguments foundation has crumbled, what now?

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Digiki wrote:

Hey Alex in the first list that contained 9 games, only 3 were developed by Nintendo, one of which wasn't even a full game.

From the 2nd list of 5 games, 4 are Nintendo developed, one being an enhanced port.

Your arguments foundation has crumbled, what now?

So my way and your way Nintendo is giving us less games?

And your way you're counting remakes as being "Nintendo developed"
That is an interesting way of seeing things.

You think Nintendo remaking more games than making new ones is better.
That is pretty much why you're on the side you're on.

Hopefully most people would prefer having no remakes, and actual "Nintendo-developed" games except ones that require developing. New games maybe? I don't know.

  • For the record, Digiki has let everyone know he prefers List B over List A

List A

Donkey Kong Barrel Blast
Battalion Wars 2
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games
Super Mario Galaxy
Link's Crossbow Training
Endless Ocean
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Mario Kart Wii

List B

Wii Music
Animal Crossing
Mario Tennis REMAKE
Pikmin REMAKE
Excitebots: Trick Racing

Those are the games Nintendo has given us, Digiki.
Like I said in my original post.

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Olimar_91 wrote:

First off, you have no idea what Nintendo's plan is with these games. They could very well be testing the waters with these series again in order to determine whether new iterations should be made.

But if the fans who have already been supporting the series don't buy it because they already have played the game, was it a successful test? Sure, the market has been expanded, so maybe the long-time fans are a smaller market in terms of numbers of consumers, but they are also the ones most likely to buy a ton of games rather than just getting a Wii for Wii Sports and the occasional mini-game collection. I don't think we are completely irrelevant to Nintendo, nor should a company ever stop caring about the fanbase that has stuck with it for years. That would be pretty sucky... not that I'm saying they're doing that now. Hypotheticallistically.

Olimar_91 wrote:

Secondly, by not purchasing these games, you are not hurting Nintendo in the least, nor are you sending them a message. They have a huge audience by this point, and they're selling these games with full realization that most gamers already played them during their original runs.

Nintendo had a huge audience from roughly 85 to 95, too. Not as big as now, no, but it was huge for the video game market. And eventually people stopped buying their games and systems as much. Yes, they're doing well, but they're not the invincible creatures they're made out to be. They lost a lot of support during the 64 and GC era, and they responded with the Wii. It could happen again. I'm not in anyway trying to suggest that this NPC issue is anywhere near proportional to that, but it is the same very basic concept, so it's the best example I've got.

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AlexSays wrote:

Digiki wrote:

Hey Alex in the first list that contained 9 games, only 3 were developed by Nintendo, one of which wasn't even a full game.

From the 2nd list of 5 games, 4 are Nintendo developed, one being an enhanced port.

Your arguments foundation has crumbled, what now?

So my way and your way Nintendo is giving us less games?

And your way you're counting remakes as being "Nintendo developed"
That is an interesting way of seeing things.

You think Nintendo remaking more games than making new ones is better.
That is pretty much why you're on the side you're on.

Hopefully most people would prefer having no remakes, and actual "Nintendo-developed" games except ones that require developing. New games maybe? I don't know.

I'll go with your numbers and not count the Wiimakes, which makes it an even 3 to 3 (except Link's Crossbow Training isn't a full game, so it's more like 2.5 to 3).

More like if Nintendo wants to remake games they can go right ahead, new games would be better. See the difference between you and me is that, I don't think that people who want new games are at all obligated to pass on the NPC games. You however act like this is the worst thing Nintendo has ever done. Again I'll say you pick the most foolish arguments, preaching against the NPC games like they steal men's souls or something, yet you defended Nintendo on the VC last summer, the last E3, and how the storage problem wasn't a problem.

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