I have a question, since I remember every new Nintendo videogame console has have its own games, I mean we got Super Mario World on the SNES and Super Mario 64 on the N64, how many of you would have preferred that instead of releasing SM64, Nintendo had say "Hey, instead of making a brand new Mario game, lets remake SMW with the new N64 control"? It may be a bit exaggerated but thats how I feel about NPC, I wanted a NEW Mario Tennis for Wii and all I got is a Wii-make , if you all prefer to play an old game (that plays magnificently with its original controls, by the way) with new controls, fine, but I'm pretty sure that if Nintendo had launched an all new Mario Tennis, every one enjoying the NPC MPT, would be enjoying the new one more, and no one would be thinking on getting the old version, even if it's a nice game. NPC is definitely delaying some new games, and Nintendo creatives are becoming lazy, like "hey, imagine Donkey Kong Jungle Beat with the new wii controls" "Great, lets make Jungle Beat 2!" "Nah, lets just make an NPC of the first one it's easier".
NPC is definitely delaying some new games, and Nintendo creatives are becoming lazy, like "hey, imagine Donkey Kong Jungle Beat with the new wii controls" "Great, lets make Jungle Beat 2!" "Nah, lets just make an NPC of the first one it's easier".
Hahaha. Yes they're doing exactly this. You found out with your ninja research methods. Well if you say it, this MUST be the case.
Simply compensating for when they don't have much else to release? Testing the waters with a new audience before blindly making a sequel to a game which had too many questions in the air if it could be liked or not? No, don't be ridiculous. Nintendo simply hates everything that is good and sits around like jabba-the-hut creatures, grunting as they reach out with a flabby arm to press the 'dump game on idiot populace and also kick a puppy' button.
It is amusing when people who think they can play monday morning quaterback for Nintendo suddenly are reduced to making comments about cake....
'Can't have your cake - and eat it too - you rascal you - yoda-ladi-who' - Statler Brothers..
As I said befor, it is fanboyism. I always laugh when internet posters and/or the media calls companies like Nintendo - who actually make a staggering amount of product - 'lazy'. Nintnedo has been 'slacking'. 'No effort' went into this game. Sure.
Easy for you to say....
As far as people being worked up, I am not worked up at all. I am simply applying cold logic and reality to emotive arguments about 'saving' Nintendo from themselves, and saving the consumer from New Play Control. I percieve no one was able to take my arguments on head on, because it was impossible. So instead they danced around a piece of cake.
I guess it is a little like 'Lord of the Flys' here - more fun to 'play savage' then to 'keep the fire going'. If you do not like reality, replace it witha false one of your own making? Is that the message here?
Hardcore, casual = marketing. The real divide is between arcade and narrative games.
What exactly is it that you have "percieved?" You've basically said 2 things. 1, that you don't mind that Nintendo made these games, though they are already playable on the system minus Wii controls, and that it is likely Nintendo could have made better use of their time. 2, Anyone who criticizes Nintendo is a fanboy. I sure do love that one...backwards logic, there.
[21:14] pixelman: I blame fheblackdragon
[21:15] pixelman: That's not an f by the way, it's a fancy t.
[21:15] Objection: Tales of Graces "fancy t"
[21:15] Objection: Tinal Tantasy
[21:15] theblackdragon: lol OB
[21:15] pixelman: OB knows what he's asking about.
Should we go back in time and 'call Nintendo out' for rereleasing 4 NES games with graphics enhancements? New Grachics Makeover?
'Lazy' Nintendo's Wii offerings :
2006 Wii Sports Excite Truck The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess 2007 WarioWare: Smooth Moves Wii Play Eyeshield 21: Field Saikyō no Senshi (Japan only) Super Paper Mario Mario Party 8 Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree Pokémon Battle Revolution Mario Strikers Charged Metroid Prime 3: Corruption Donkey Kong Barrel Blast Battalion Wars 2 Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Published by Nintendo in Japan only) Super Mario Galaxy Link's Crossbow Training 2008 Wii Chess (Europe only) Everyone's Common Knowledge Television (Japan only) Endless Ocean Super Smash Bros. Brawl Mario Kart Wii Wii Fit Mario Super Sluggers Wario Land: Shake It! Fatal Frame IV (Japan only) Captain Rainbow (Japan only) Wii Music Disaster: Day of Crisis (Japan, Europe and Australia only) Animal Crossing: City Folk New Play Control! in 2008 New Play Control! Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat (Japan only) New Play Control! in 2009 New Play Control! Mario Power Tennis New Play Control! Pikmin (Released 2008 in Japan) New Play Control! Metroid Prime (Japan only) 2009 Excitebots: Trick Racing [edit] WiiWare 2008 Dr. Mario Online Rx My Pokémon Ranch Magnetica Twist Art Style: ORBIENT Art Style: CUBELLO Art Style: ROTOHEX MaBoShi: The Three Shape Arcade 2009 Lonpos Kimi to Boku to Rittai Bonsai Barber
Upcoming, Announced
Announced for 2009 Wii Sports Resort Punch-Out!! Wii Start w/ 100 Conversations! English Conversation Another Code: R, Gateway of Memory Kensax Tact of Magic Cosmic Walker Spawn Smasher Dynamic Slash Sin & Punishment 2 Forever Blue 2: Beautiful Ocean Everyone's the Star on the NHK Red-and-White Quiz Battle Line Attack Heroes Hoshi no Kirby Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games New Play Control! Announced for 2009 New Play Control! Chibi-Robo! New Play Control! Metroid Prime 2: Echoes New Play Control! Pikmin 2 Release Date Unknown Project H.A.M.M.E.R. Pikmin 3 [1] The Legend of Zelda [2] Super Mario Platformer [3]
Wiiware :
Announced for 2009 Rock N Roll Climber Tsuushin Taikyoku: Hayazashi Shogi Sandan Yakuman Wii Tsuushin Taikyoku: Igo Dojo 2700-Mon Tsuushin Taikyoku: World Chess
Should I list the DS games from this time period as well?
********************* What exactly is it that you have "percieved?" You've basically said 2 things. 1, that you don't mind that Nintendo made these games, though they are already playable on the system minus Wii controls, and that it is likely Nintendo could have made better use of their time. 2, Anyone who criticizes Nintendo is a fanboy. I sure do love that one...backwards logic, there. *********
I never said it was 'likely' Nintendo could have made better use of their time. In fact, I am criticsing Alex says for that value judgement. And no, criticism does not make you a fanboy - making half baked 'criticisms; about how much 'effort' went into these games, how 'lazy' Nintendo is, false statements of a 6 month drought, and tryting to make value judgements, unsolicitated, for other people, etc, make you a fanboy....
I have no problme with factual arguments, but if you cannot back up emotional statement with fact, they hold zero weight. Then they are emotional fanboy rants.
^Except Iwata was not saying NPC was not worth buying, Nintendo is lazy, Nintendo is out to 'screw casuals' etc.
Wii Sports 2 has been delayed, that is their big product...
It is also interesting that you see this 'argument' as 'sides' and some on this board see NPC as a 'moral' question.
In reality, you are just trying to pass you personal game tastes as a law for 'everyone' to follow. It is classic group think, if you repeat things often enough, they must be 'true'. Rather than talk about individual games and or/gameplay and game experience you create 'hero's and villains' in the game industry and construct a 'narrative' out of it. And you get to be one of the heroe's in your own story, you were too smart to be 'tricked' into NPC. The 'dumb' casual, who does not post on the interent, so he cannot defend himself, - (or harcore fan, who 'can't help hisself, lor') - is the idiot and victim. You are better than them therefore, cause you spit (rhetoricaly, and certainly not in his face, passive/agressive) into the evil giant (Nintendo's) eye, while the dummy casual bought and played a good videogame.
You 'win'?
He 'loses'?
You band together as a 'side' against this imaginary issue for acceptance? It is odd, frankly. And it changes nothing in the real world. Not the relative success and failure of NPC, nor the development and release of Nintendo games currently in production. It is masturbation.
Man, this site's "Watch Topic" feature works like crap! Took me a while to catch up here because I had no idea it'd gone on so long!
I do not appreciate the fact that my previous points have been largely ignored in the ongoing conversation here. Not to sound self-righteous or something, but my points WERE relevant and sensible, at least to some degree.
It's been said here that these games are for "hardcore" gamers. Who's to say that isn't true, to a point? I, a hardcore Nintendo fan, am more than happy to buy NPC games. Why? Because I believe they give me the best experience of the games. Just like any movie buff is now re-buying movies on Blu-ray that he only bought on DVD a few years ago, I am re-buying recent classics that are now available in a better format.
For example: People continue to COMPLETELY discredit the addition of widescreen support for these games. Am I the ONLY person who doesn't like having black bars on the sides of my screen when playing a Gamecube game? Sure, it's tolerable, but if I have an option to not live with that situation, I'll take it!
I have a friend who absolutely HATED the Gamecube version of Metroid Prime's controls. You have to admit, they were pretty weird for a first-person shooter. Hold a shoulder button to aim? C-stick changes weapons? NPC for that game makes WAY more sense to any FPS veteran, so the addition thereof mustn't be discredited.
I've already spoken of the benefits of Pikmin on Wii, and I'm sorry if some people don't see the purpose. Simply put, I truly DO find the game more enjoyable on Wii than on Gamecube, and I know I'm not alone, even if people who agree with me are not want to post here.
The Wii controls on Mario Power Tennis are also of much higher quality than most people would have you believe, as I've already said. Maybe I'm in a minority here, but I'd rather have NPC Mario Power Tennis and a totally new game of a different genre than a whole new Mario Tennis game.
I also believe that Iwata was referring to the lack of brand-new games without bashing NPC. There's simply no reason to believe he has a problem with these titles.
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I agree with you Stuffgamer. I've bought and enjoyed Pikmin and MPT and I intend to get the full set. I'm hoping they re-release Wind Waker too. You can't just command people not to buy these games.
"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." Matt. 1:21.
Last time I checked, each NPC game is sold seperatelty so this comparison is poor. IF we got all 7 NPC games on 1 disc or something, or at least 2-3, then this might make sense.
'Lazy' Nintendo's Wii offerings : 2006 Wii Sports Excite Truck The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (ABRIDGED) 2009 Excitebots: Trick Racing
I immediantly removed the 10 or so games you listed that did not even reach N.A. Know why? Because they don't do a thing to convince me since Disaster, etc. never made it to MY Wii. As for the rest of the list, without going into which ones are actually good games, you only listed 1 for 2009. That's our point. RECENT shortage of good NINTENDO Wii games.
I never said it was 'likely' Nintendo could have made better use of their time. In fact, I am criticsing Alex says for that value judgement. And no, criticism does not make you a fanboy - making half baked 'criticisms; about how much 'effort' went into these games, how 'lazy' Nintendo is, false statements of a 6 month drought, and tryting to make value judgements, unsolicitated, for other people, etc, make you a fanboy....
So defending Nintendo blindly is not fanboyish but questioning something about the company makes you a fanboy of it? It all makes perfect sense...?
I have no problme with factual arguments, but if you cannot back up emotional statement with fact, they hold zero weight. Then they are emotional fanboy rants.
Facts like swinging a list of games around that does not prove your point? In fact, it proves the contrary: that the Wii has HAD a lot of great games in 06-08 but RECENTLY has not. Is this solely due to NPC? Of course not. But it could definately be a factor.
[21:14] pixelman: I blame fheblackdragon
[21:15] pixelman: That's not an f by the way, it's a fancy t.
[21:15] Objection: Tales of Graces "fancy t"
[21:15] Objection: Tinal Tantasy
[21:15] theblackdragon: lol OB
[21:15] pixelman: OB knows what he's asking about.
Should we go back in time and 'call Nintendo out' for rereleasing 4 NES games with graphics enhancements? New Grachics Makeover?
Once again, the original NES versions could not be played in the SNES. Nintendo's Pointless Copies (NPCs) can already be played on the Wii via Gamecube discs that have been out for years. There's a big difference here.
I do not appreciate the fact that my previous points have been largely ignored in the ongoing conversation here. Not to sound self-righteous or something, but my points WERE relevant and sensible, at least to some degree.
Sorry buddy, lots of posts here, so it's hard to remember if I even saw your posts. If I read it and didn't respond, I probably felt it was already addressed sufficiently. More likely it just got lost in the huge pile of posts this thread has become.
Stuffgamer1 wrote:
It's been said here that these games are for "hardcore" gamers. Who's to say that isn't true, to a point? I, a hardcore Nintendo fan, am more than happy to buy NPC games. Why? Because I believe they give me the best experience of the games. Just like any movie buff is now re-buying movies on Blu-ray that he only bought on DVD a few years ago, I am re-buying recent classics that are now available in a better format.
Personally, I think the hardcore / casual distinction is ridiculous, arbitrary, poorly defined, nonsensical, unnecessary, etc. etc. One moment someone says these are for casuals, and the next someone is saying they're for hardcores. Whoever these people are, I think they're wasting their money. Playing the same game in widescreen and with a different controller isn't really worth the extra price. I'd rather a new game in the series that was actually designed for widescreen and the new controller. But if that is enough to make your boat float, all the best! Just stating my personal preference.
Stuffgamer1 wrote:
For example: People continue to COMPLETELY discredit the addition of widescreen support for these games. Am I the ONLY person who doesn't like having black bars on the sides of my screen when playing a Gamecube game? Sure, it's tolerable, but if I have an option to not live with that situation, I'll take it!
Widescreen is slowly edging out fullscreen for video games, but what is the point of remaking old games in widescreen? I am quite satisfied playing Super Mario Bros. on VC with either bars on the side or in stretchy vision, depending on how lazy I am at the time. If Nintendo released it in Widescreen for a higher price, in the process delaying much anticipated games not on VC yet (as if we haven't waited long enough), that would not sit well.
Stuffgamer1 wrote:
I have a friend who absolutely HATED the Gamecube version of Metroid Prime's controls. You have to admit, they were pretty weird for a first-person shooter. Hold a shoulder button to aim? C-stick changes weapons? NPC for that game makes WAY more sense to any FPS veteran, so the addition thereof mustn't be discredited.
The controls were fine. The game was pretty highly rated among critics and fans alike. In fact, many [deluded] fans prefer it to the incomparable Super Metroid! There are always going to be a handful of people who don't like any control scheme. Should they get a brand new release just for them? Wouldn't it be better if a new entry were made instead that would satisfy everyone?
Stuffgamer1 wrote:
I've already spoken of the benefits of Pikmin on Wii, and I'm sorry if some people don't see the purpose. Simply put, I truly DO find the game more enjoyable on Wii than on Gamecube, and I know I'm not alone, even if people who agree with me are not want to post here.
I'm sure you're right. I don't think many would argue otherwise, really. It's not the point though. Pikmin 3 is known to be in the works. We'll all be happy when it's released. There's no need to make minor additions to a game we've already played or could still play on the same system and cheaper.
Stuffgamer1 wrote:
Maybe I'm in a minority here, but I'd rather have NPC Mario Power Tennis and a totally new game of a different genre than a whole new Mario Tennis game.
Yea, you're in a minority. I would love a new Mario Tennis using Wii Motion+. I haven't had the chance to play the NPC myself, but it sounds like it controls no better than Wii Sports Tennis -- and yes, that's fun, but I already have Wii Sports and I've already played Mario Tennis and Mario's Power Tennis to death. I'd rather a new experience. Hopefully one of the two tennis titles coming out this summer will be good.
Stuffgamer1 wrote:
I also believe that Iwata was referring to the lack of brand-new games without bashing NPC. There's simply no reason to believe he has a problem with these titles.
"From that viewpoint, we at Nintendo have to reflect on domestic Wii software deployment in the former half of this year. Like what had been to be released in the former half of this year was postponed to the latter, we were not able to reach the original goal – to regularly make new proposals." Sorry to be the skeptic here, but the fact that Nintendo is admitting to titles that were supposed to be ready for this half of the year are now being delayed to second half of the year seems more than disturbingly coincidental. How is it that these NPC titles were ready for release in the exact time frame that these other titles were supposed to be? Again, pardon my skepticism because I'd love for it to be a strange coincidence, but I think Nintendo smelled effortless profits and decided to delay new titles just to give these a chance to sell without self-competition.
Outrunner wrote:
It's only May. This time of year there's usually always a drought.
Where were you last May or the May before that? Sure, it used to be a traditional time of drought, but the video game market has expanded, and Nintendo admits in the article Alex linked to a few pages back that they wanted to keep this trend going of having new games offered throughout the year.
@Adam Totally agree with every point you make man.
FACT: Nintendo has not launch nor even talk about a new Mario Tennis, which, given the popularity of Wii Sports Tennis, was something many was expecting.
I don't care about getting a game I've already played through; widescreen? Wii controls? so what is the same game I play now and then ON my Wii, so no thanks I don't want to waste my money on that, I want a whole new Mario Tennis with widescreen, wii motion+ controls and online play, that's all I'm asking for, and I believe NPC is somehow delaying this new game. Now if you have never played MPT this is the version to buy, I guess, haven't played it, nothing to do there, is just so unfair for us who want something new.
I got one of those NPC games, and that's Mario Power Tennis, and I think it's totally worth it. I didn't have the GameCube version and this game obviously makes more fun when you play it with the Wiimote, especially if you are playing it on the Wii - I hate playing GameCube games cause you always have to get the memcard and cable controllers out - it's much more comfortable if you don't have to do that.
I didn't have the GameCube version and this game obviously makes more fun when you play it with the Wiimote
Am I the only one that sees something wrong with this? lol
Oh well I'll play along.
IGN wrote:
For a series that’s all about improving control, New Play Control: Mario Power Tennis takes an ironic turn for the worse.
VideoGamer wrote:
As much as it pains us to say it, having been big fans of the original GameCube game, the control issues in this Wii port make Mario Power Tennis hard to recommend.
Official Nintendo Magazine UK wrote:
Attractive tennis with a Mario twist, but hobbled by hard-to-aim motion controls.
Games Master UK wrote:
The Wii controls haven't enhanced it in any way but it's still a decent tennis game.
Need more? lol Yeah it's OBVIOUSLY more fun the Wii remote.
NPC stands for the Notorious Petunia Company. Now, reread all the posts in this thread and let me know if that clears things up. Glad to help.
... it is also known to stand for New Play Control, a series of "Wii-makes" -- remakes of Gamecube games with the only changes being widescreen, 480p (I think), and Wii remote support. But I'm pretty sure this thread is referring to the Notorious Petunia Company, so don't worry about that.
EDIT: That post has since been deleted for some reason, but I'll leave this response up in case anyone else is wondering the same.
Ohhhh......... Remakes of games. Well, this is lame, but i didn't think that the Namco Museum Remix was that bad, even though this game started with the GBA/ Xbox/ Ps2 stuff. Then again............
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