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141. Posted:

eugenewrayburn wrote:

Does being conservative mean telling other people what they should and should not buy? I know exactly what the word means.

You know exactly what the word means?
Awesome, you should use it correctly any time now.

Here's what you said:

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I believe people can and will decide what they would want to buy and play for their own personal use.

People doing what they want for their own personal needs without worrying about any repercussions is a very liberal idea.

Hey I can even make this easy.
You're on the whole "people should buy what they want" and liberals are on the whole "people should marry who they want"

I mean yeah it's cool when we call ourselves big words but if you're going to say you're conservative, at least specify why. lol

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Nintendo has no plans for the Wii beyond New Play Control? Lol. I guess it will become a platform for 3rd paeties, if that is the case....

Nobody has said that but if that's what you read, then that's great too.

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142. Posted:

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Zelda II: The Adventure of Link NPC would be awesome.

I admit that the moment I typed that, I wanted it. :)

When you get the whistle, that very helpful item that a whole two uses in the whole game, there could be a Wii Music mini-game where you play the Wii remote like a flute!

Dang, what have I done? Now I don't want it.

That actually reminds me of yet another homebrew app where they implemented the Twilight Princess controls into Link's Awakening and other portable Zelda titles. I think it needs a little tweaking, but they're definitely on to something. NPC Virtual console games would be fun if you could buy them with the title and be able to toggle them on/off.

EDIT: Actually, now that I remember, the GBA version of Zelda II is one of the games supported!

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143. Posted:

The conservative principals are this :

1. People have and enjoy personal responsibilty, they do not need media outlets or self appointed 'gamer activists' to decide which game to buy for them. Also, my sub point was, considering these games obvioulsy target hardcore fans (who will almost certainly buy them) and people who missed them on the GC (who are very likely not on this site...!) - who are you even trying to.motivate?

2. The other conservative principal is to let the market decide - not try to decide for the market -

And a poster DID comment on Nintendo's ' future motivation' - you must of missed it ....

No hard feelings, but why misconstrue my statements?

'Topic: Buy Any NPC Games? Stop It!' - that was your topic title, I am just responding to it in this forum.

Hardcore, casual = marketing. The real divide is between arcade and narrative games.

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144. Posted:

eugenewrayburn wrote:

The conservative principals are this :

1. People have and enjoy personal responsibilty, they do not need media outlets or self appointed 'gamer activists' to decide which game to buy for them. Also, my sub point was, considering these games obviously target hardcore fans (who will almost certainly buy them) and people who missed them on the GC (who are very likely not on this site...!) - who are you even trying to.motivate?

2. The other conservative principal is to let the market decide - not try to decide for the market -

And a poster DID comment on Nintendo's ' future motivation' - you must of missed it ....

No hard feelings, but why misconstrue my statements?

'Topic: Buy Any NPC Games? Stop It!' - that was your topic title, I am just responding to it in this forum.

Your "conservative principles" don't even apply here.

Honey, the market has already decided, and they've decided remakes are good.
There are just several of us saying "hey don't support this".

As for "gamer activists" yeah I'm great and all but I don't need fancy titles or anything.
I've handed out the facts as to why people shouldn't buy these games. If that's all it takes to be an "activist" to you, then we share even more disagreements when it comes to common definitions.

Oh and these games don't target hardcore gamers... at all.
These are clearly targeted towards people who have never heard of these franchises.
Unless you're saying "yeah NPC is all about giving hardcore gamers games they've already played" then wow that's even worse than what I say about Nintendo. lol
I mean what more could a hardcore Metroid fan want, a new Metroid game or Metroid Prime 1... again?

So yeah I really don't see where the "oh i'm conservative" does anything when your "conservative principles" are in no way relevant.
I mean I could say "hey my mom bakes the best apple pies" but I'm not sure how that'd impact this discussion.

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145. Posted:

AlexSays wrote:

Corbie would try to take my thread off-topic...

RJay wrote:

Hey AlexSays, you're on Gamespot too right??? Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but many months ago last October I think, I remember arguing with someone on the Wii forums that these NPC games are a bad idea, and I remember his name was AlexSays, and the AlexSays on that forum thought it was a good idea at the time. Are you the same person?

Yes I am and you remember the exact stance of a random user from a debate six months ago? At least a bring a link, chief.

Anyway if you read the original post, you'd see the main point has been there were no new games for about six months, starting in November.

I might have said "eh just don't buy them no big deal" but how could I have known in October that Nintendo would release their last new game for several months in November?
Sure I'm easily one of the brightest around but I've never stamped "psychic" on my resume. lol

You'll still have to provide a link to this little discussion we had.

Well this was one of the threads where you sounded positive about it. I hope it's not against the rules to post this link.....I'm new here I don't know the rules!!!!

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=2...

I honestly thought there was more, and there probably was, I just don't feel like looking for it anymore. I'm not Jasonguy, but I remember you used to debate against him, because he thought those Wiimakes were a bad idea. My name was the_winner1234 and I actually didn't post as much as I thought, but I could have sworn arguing against you at some point. can't find it though. I just remember you sounded positive about it at the time, but like you said, you couldn't predict the future.

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146. Posted:

I love the NPC. This doesn't mean there not making new games! Oh, and this is great for people like me who missed alot of these great games. It's not like they are going that much out of their way to make um. I really appriciate getting to play them. So calm down all you guys, there will be new games! But I'm going to sit back and play some great games I missed with some fun play control.

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147. Posted:

Hardcore fans buy remakes WAY more than the average consumer.

You can have whatever definition of hardcore game you want, I said hardcore FANS - who buy everything, and collect Nintendo games. Certainly this is also fan service. Who wanted the Chrono Trigger remake on DS so bad -even though they already own it? - hardcore fans of CT. Who wants Goldeneye on the VC so bad - even though they already own it? - hardcore fans of GE. Etc, etc, etc. How many hardcore fans have bought Super Mario or Super Mario 3 a half dozen times in their lifes? Me and hardcore fans, lol...

Read this thread, plenty of hardcore fans want these games - who are you to tell them differently? Why should they care?

Your 'casual audience' makes little sense as well - what the hell is casual about Metroid and Pikmin? People have not heard of Mario Tennis? Really? This is not '50 card games on a Wii disc' or 'Scrabble Wii' or 'Kung-Fu Chicken meets the Crystal Skull Kingdom of Lord Voldermort. These are some great Gamecube games geting a second chance and a bit of a second wind. Nothing wrong with that at all, period.

Believe me the people buying these want to PLAY these games - and these are not casual games, and they HAVE heard of Nintendo and they DO know what they are buying. You are just convincing yourself that they are getting 'screwed' and you are a smarter person for not buying them.

Which, with all due respect, is silly.....

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148. Posted:

Oh and stop telling people not to buy these games! If you already played them then fine you don't need um. But stop telling people who haven't had a chance to play these games or missed um the first time around not to play them. Your trying to rob them of being able to play really good games.

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149. Posted:

RJay wrote:

Well this was one of the threads where you sounded positive about it. I hope it's not against the rules to post this link.....I'm new here I don't know the rules!!!!

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=2...

I honestly thought there was more, and there probably was, I just don't feel like looking for it anymore. I'm not Jasonguy, but I remember you used to debate against him, because he thought those Wiimakes were a bad idea. My name was the_winner1234 and I actually didn't post as much as I thought, but I could have sworn arguing against you at some point. can't find it though. I just remember you sounded positive about it at the time, but like you said, you couldn't predict the future.

Nah it's not against the rules.

And this is my one quote about the remakes.

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I'm not sure why you keep spreading that unsubstantiated rumor of yours. We're still getting new games. In fact, we have several already announced. Is anyone really expecting Nintendo announce even MORE games anytime soon?

Yeah turns out I was wrong. lol

The games they announced at that time (Sin & Punishment 2, Cosmic Walker, Beautiful Ocean, etc.) were never heard from again.

I didn't know we wouldn't see ANY of those games in the next seven months. :P

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150. Posted:

eugenewrayburn wrote:

Hardcore fans buy remakes WAY more than the average consumer.

You can have whatever definition of hardcore game you want, I said hardcore FANS - who buy everything, and collect Nintendo games. Certainly this is also fan service. Who wanted the Chrono Trigger remake on DS so bad -even though they already own it? - hardcore fans of CT. Who wants Goldeneye on the VC so bad - even though they already own it? - hardcore fans of GE. Etc, etc, etc. How many hardcore fans have bought Super Mario or Super Mario 3 a half dozen times in their lifes? Me and hardcore fans, lol...

Read this thread, plenty of hardcore fans want these games - who are you to tell them differently? Why should they care?

Your 'casual audience' makes little sense as well - what the hell is casual about Metroid and Pikmin? People have not heard of Mario Tennis? Really? This is not '50 card games on a Wii disc' or 'Scrabble Wii' or 'Kung-Fu Chicken meets the Crystal Skull Kingdom of Lord Voldermort. These are some great Gamecube games geting a second chance and a bit of a second wind. Nothing wrong with that at all, period.

Believe me the people buying these want to PLAY these games - and these are not casual games, and they HAVE heard of Nintendo and they DO know what they are buying. You are just convincing yourself that they are getting 'screwed' and you are a smarter person for not buying them.

Which, with all due respect, is silly.....

Smarter? That's debatable. I mean you can only be so smart, right?
Now a better person is more like it. Nintendo has never gone six months without a new game and I won't support that.
If you don't mind them taking another six months off, that's fine.

About your whole hardcore thing. Chrono Trigger wasn't already playable on the DS. Goldeneye 64 isn't playable on the Wii.
These remakes are already 100% playable on the Wii.
You're right, Nintendo is doing Nintendo fans a huge favor by putting new games aside, and releasing games already PLAYABLE on the console. lol
I think we have a different definition of "fan", seeing as I believe fans should make the tiny bit of effort to find a Gamecube game for the same price that will work in their Wii, and should want new games.

It's like watching your favorite sports team go to the playoffs and then saying "Oh no, it's okay, don't do that again, I'll just watch the replays from the last time you were successful"
A hardcore sports fan wouldn't want that. lol

Oh and Metroid and Pikmin sold fine with the hardcore people, it was the casuals that didn't like them.
That's why they're being released... again.
So Nintendo can make easy bucks off the millions of new Wii owners that will now buy anything with Nintendo on the cover.

Don't fool yourself into believing Nintendo is putting little effort into these remakes, and filling their release schedule with games the hardcore have already played, "for the hardcore".

I mean it's great and all to be okay with playing the same games over and over again, but some of us have standards.
I'd rather not see Nintendo start a trend of going six months without new games every so often.

You're okay with no new games, which is why we see differently.
That's okay though, we're all unique like snowflakes.

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151. Posted:

Kizzi wrote:

Oh and stop telling people not to buy these games! If you already played them then fine you don't need um. But stop telling people who haven't had a chance to play these games or missed um the first time around not to play them. Your trying to rob them of being able to play really good games.

They can already play these games.

Your Wii can play Gamecube games.

It's all very crazy, I know.

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152. Posted:

Wow you are acting really immature Alex says, your arguments are very fanboyish. Some questions:

1.Who are you to question the 'effort' put into these games - show me some facts and figures, and time cards please.

2.Can you play them on the GC with the New Play Control? Are the GC game foward compatible with thw wimote?

3.If Nintendo lost money instead of 'making millions selling them 'to casuals' - would that be ok?

4. So Nintendo is selling these game to casuals, but casuals 'don't like Metroid and Pikmin'? Why do they buy them, then?

5. If casuals buy games indiscriminatly, as you suggest - then why do they read the label at all? Its not as if random, low quality 3rd party games ever dominate the Wii charts - if they are buying Ninteno, then they know quality and support it.

6.Chrono Trigger and Goldeney are available to play on their origional consoles and in froms of ROMs though - so what is the difference? They are not lost to time, why do fans buy them -again! Why is that all right, and New Play Control is so wrong? Why does the VC exist at all? Unlike NPC they get ZERO makeover....Is that not 'worse' in your world?

7.Nintendo took '6 months off'? Wow. When? Yeah, no work went into motion plus and Sports 2, did it? Not to mention several other titles in development for two system. That is ridiculous, you sound like a kid saying that....maybe YOU need some time off?

8. Also I have bought zero of these games, that is amusing you try to insult me like that. Because I would not feel bad if I bought ANY game I wanted, including NPC and I would not be arrogant enough to try to make other posters here, like myself or Kizi, feel bad.

I could go on, but I have made my point....

Hardcore, casual = marketing. The real divide is between arcade and narrative games.

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153. Posted:

Alex said:They can already play these games.

Your Wii can play Gamecube games.

It's all very crazy, I know.

Not everyone owned a gamecube beforehand or if they did they missed the game. If your one of these people your going to want to play these games. And the used price for gamecube and the new price for wii for alot of these games are very close. And for some new play controls I'd pay an extra 5-10 bucks. Plus i wouldn't want to buy a gamecube controller and the game when I could a the same game with some cool controls for the wii!

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154. Posted:

@eugenewrayburn- 1. Are you really trying to argue that ports with new controls measure anywhere near new Wii titles in terms of budget, time developing, etc.? Good luck.
2.Last time I checked, the games started on the GCN because they didn't need Wii controls to begin with. So its not that big a deal that they have them now.
6. Goldeneye can only be bought for N64. Comparing NPC games to ROMs makes no sense.
7. Nintendo has recently had long bouts where they didn't release a noteworthy game. Notice the keyword of game. Things like Wii Sports 2 (mini game seguel to freebie disc that costs money now, yay) and Motion Plus (definately not a game) among other things. After Brawl and Mario Kart Wii, all we got were nongames like Fit and Music. So in other words, those are not noteworthy games which is the whole point here.
I myself might pick up a NPC title if its something I never got for GCN and couldn't otherwise obtain in that format, but I also don't understand people buying these titles when nearly the same thing can be played via asmaller disc and a smaller price tag.

New thought: if Nintendo is doing so well in making games, then why are only 1/3 (5/14 to be exact) of my games made/published by them? (This is significant compared to Nintendo/3rd Party rates on DS and GCN.) Answer: because the last must-have games came out in mid 2008. What time is it? Mid 2009? What do we just now have? Punch Out and Excitebots...and I'm guessing maybe one of those is a must-have.

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155. Posted:

eugenewrayburn wrote:

Wow you are acting really immature Alex says, your arguments are very fanboyish.

Aw, name calling?
You were doing so good too.

I'd say the ones defending and making excuses for Nintendo are leaning a little more to the fanboyish side.
Though I always try to refrain from using the F word.

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1.Who are you to question the 'effort' put into these games - show me some facts and figures, and time cards please.

Couldn't I ask you the same thing, since you're downplaying the effort put into these?

I'm glad you asked this though because I have a question of my own.
What would these people be doing with their time if these NPC games didn't exist? Baking cookies for the Zelda team?

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2.Can you play them on the GC with the New Play Control? Are the GC game foward compatible with thw wimote?

Yes, Nintendo should release all their old games so we can feel the almighty power of the Wii remote. lol

One of the games released has been worse with the new controls, so Nintendo's shootin' one for two. We're not playin' b-ball here so that's not real good dawg.
And if new controls on an old game are enough to justify putting new games aside, you have to understand why we're on different sides.
Some of us have standards.

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3.If Nintendo lost money instead of 'making millions selling them 'to casuals' - would that be ok?

This is a poor question.
All Wii games have sold better than their Gamecube predecessors.
Nintendo makes plenty of money off new games, so they're not backed in a corner where they have to rehash (even more so than usual) old games just to stay afloat.

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4. So Nintendo is selling these game to casuals, but casuals 'don't like Metroid and Pikmin'? Why do they buy them, then?

This question doesn't even make sense...
Most of the Wii's casual audience didn't own a Gamecube, how in the world would they not like Metroid and Pikmin? lol
They've never even seen Metroid and Pikmin, they couldn't possibly know if they liked them or not.

Oh and they buy them because Nintendo is on the cover.
Nintendo heavily markets their games, and they know they can pass off Metroid and Pikmin as simple games that appeal to everyone.
Didn't you hear about how Nintendo was happy with NPC Pikmin sales among women? Most of them weren't "hardcore", that's just who Nintendo wants buying their games. Nintendo loves non-gamers (nothing wrong with that because non-gamers are the reliable audience) so it's no surprise they want all their games to appeal to everyone, not just this "hardcore" demographic I hear so much about.

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5. If casuals buy games indiscriminatly, as you suggest - then why do they read the label at all? Its not as if random, low quality 3rd party games ever dominate the Wii charts - if they are buying Nintendo, then they know quality and support it.

I addressed this above but I know who I'm responding to so I'll explain again. Hey I'll even switch things up a bit.

Ever see those Animal Crossing commercials? The ones with the girls playing?
Nintendo markets their games extremely well. Advertising plays a huge role in which games casuals buy (which is why advertising is heavily wanted among hardcore gamers for The Conduit so it sells well) and Nintendo does an awesome job of making their games look appealing.

Heck why do you think Wii Music sold a few million? Because they see "quality" you say?
Nintendo says they're disappointed with those sales, but their marketing did a heck of a job selling millions of copies of a game few people found enjoyable.

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6.Chrono Trigger and Goldeney are available to play on their origional consoles and in froms of ROMs though - so what is the difference? They are not lost to time, why do fans buy them -again! Why is that all right, and New Play Control is so wrong? Why does the VC exist at all? Unlike NPC they get ZERO makeover....Is that not 'worse' in your world?

Yeah I know this is a tough one to understand but NPC games are already playable in the Wii.

You can't take a N64 cartridge and stick it in your Wii, so how you're comparing this to the VC is beyond me. lol

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7.Nintendo took '6 months off'? Wow. When? Yeah, no work went into motion plus and Sports 2, did it? Not to mention several other titles in development for two system. That is ridiculous, you sound like a kid saying that....maybe YOU need some time off?

Ah, excuses excuses. Sad to hear, indeed.
Sure Nintendo can go half a year without releasing any new games and people will say "bu.. bu.. they're working on some"

The rest of us know, however, working on future games has never made their release schedule dry for six months.

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8. Also I have bought zero of these games, that is amusing you try to insult me like that. Because I would not feel bad if I bought ANY game I wanted, including NPC and I would not be arrogant enough to try to make other posters here, like myself or Kizi, feel bad.

Oh I don't want you to feel bad.
I want everyone to love themselves. You go love yourself, right now.

Some of us though think it's important people know what they could be supporting, which is less new games and more old games.

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I could go on, but I have made my point....

And you're spot on, cake IS awesome.

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156. Posted:

Too much to read, but one thing I noticed is Pikmin being shrugged off as a "hardcore" game, whatever that means. I know more people who aren't enthusiastic gamers and love Pikmin than otherwise. I think it's more of a middleweight game with some appeal to both crowds, if we are to arbitrarily separate people this way as if there are two kinds of people.

The pro-NPC side here could really benefit from several chill pills. It's not worth getting this worked up over.

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157. Posted:

Wow this thread has too many posts to read, so sorry if I am repeating any of you. I don't think NPC games are a bad thing. I plan on buying Metroid Prime 1 and 2 once they're released because I think the new controls will greatly improve them. Those are the only games currently announced that I'll be getting.

Also keep in mind that only about 22 million Gamecubes were sold worldwide. A lot of people missed out on these games the first time around and I think it's great that they'll have the chance to play them now.

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158. Posted:

Yea, but the Gamecube games are all still available cheaper or as cheap as these "Wii-makes." The term "Wii-make" is enough to make me too nauseated to buy one. ;)

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My Ratio of Nintendo-published or developed games vs. total games (difference is 3rd party): 5/14 (35.7%) Wii; 8/20 (40%) DS; 14/33 (42.4%) GCN; 8/15 (53.3%) GBA. I just find it sad curious that the ratio goes down with the newer systems. Anyone else wanna crunch some numbers and see what they find?

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160. Posted:

True, but a lot of Wii owners (soccer moms [no offense] and younger kids) don't know what a Gamecube is, or that their Wii can play Gamecube games. I think for the most part the new controls will improve the games.

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