Topic: At E3 the Wii will look like a pile of JUNK

That's what I'm thinking...Nintendo will probably announce some new control for the Wii (or a new system even, doubt it though) or something...lol. Sony and Microsoft are just behind

The second quote explains why the first quote is essentially incorrect. They aren't in the same position; it is many years later, and the new social / expanded demographic / everyone can play / intuitive controls / etc revolution has already happened in gaming.

With the Wii, you had one of the gaming giants committing to a completely different vision for their next console, one that gambled its very existence on the idea of introducing a wider audience to video games by focusing on the familiarity of a TV remote and simple gestures. With the Move, it's an add-on for an existing system that has generally stressed online play over local social play, and that has been going in a direction nearly opposite to Nintendo during the Wii years. It might work for them or it might not, but the situation bears almost no resemblance to the E3 when Nintendo unveiled the Wii. The Move is an entirely different sort of venture now.

EDIT: By the way, one of the biggest "biases" I have is against the introduction of new tech by add-on, whatever the company. That's usually the kind of mistake that Microsoft makes, but Move seems to suffer from it as well. In my mind, the new feature is either integrated into the vision of a console so that you can't imagine the whole without the part, or it's merely an add-on and another option. I hate tech that tries to have as many features as possible without committing to a single, clear vision. Consumers don't tend to respond well to that either; which is why the Zune and other iPod competitors continued to fail even if their specs were far better on paper. Specs don't matter as much as a well-designed device where the form fits the function and nothing seems to be tacked on after the fact.

My other biases include my hatred for subsidizing tech by selling below price, but I've ranted on that before. In any case, it is a set of viewpoints that makes many of us, myself included, extremely skeptical about the Move and Natal, but it's wrong to simply chalk that up to adoration for Nintendo. I have respect for Nintendo or Apple because of my prior deeply-held views on how tech should be handled, not the other way around.

You're right...but as I said before, with Nintendo you can take it on faith that you'll get a Mario, a Zelda, a Metroid (or something...that third slot is easy enough to swap out). It's a gamble of faith that you'll get games of that quality, but not much of one, as nearly every system of theirs had those titles ready to roll out.

I don't have any such faith that Sony has excellent titles ready to support this thing. I want to see otherwise, but, until I do, it's nothing I can get excited about. A Wii remote with better motion recognition? Great. Can I play games that are even half as fun? No idea. I'm far more concerned about the second question than the first, and there's no way I'm going to assume the answer is yes until I see otherwise.

I honestly couldn't care less for 3DS or anything Zelda-related. I'd love to see a nice RPG released for the Wii. Otherwise I'm not optimistic.

I'm pretty sure Sony/MS aren't trying to convert Wii-owners, but expand the number of users in households where they already exist. In both cases their marketplaces are too narrow compared to Nintendo; if they can get the folks in the houses where these consoles exist buying additional software titles that would be a big plus for them. I expect otherwise - Microsoft especially - will be using the new interface to try to sell the machines to non-gamers as media devices or internet set-top boxes, though whether or not there's a big market for this remains to be seen.

One advantage both Microsoft and Sony both have over Nintendo is the ability to patch existing games to use these new control schemes and this is apparently already underway on the PS3 certainly. I expect that once you have games like Modern Warefare 2 retro-fitted to use Move, all the people saying how great dual analogue is will magically change their tunes and become converted to the obviously superior interface of Nunchuk and Remote or whatever those Sony bits are called.

Wario, I was responding specifically to the doubts about whether there'd be good games for it, not commenting on the viability of the hardware itself. The quote you highlight actually strengthens the point, as I see it: We now know what kind of games work with motion and what kinds don't, so it's not a mystery. I'm not saying everyone should be super excited about it. I'm not. I'm with you: I hate add-ons. That goes for Wii's long line of plastic shells, the balance board, and probably the Vitality Sensor unless it is very cheap and has uses beyond relaxation software. But Sony's system has great games, just as Nintendo's does, and whether we like the hardware associated with either, there'll still be more good games to come.

The first Zelda had a shake attack that everyone hated, and some IR that was nice but completely unnecessary. Both Mario games have a shake attack that is less annoying but equally pointless and some IR that is beyond unnecessary. Metroid made great use of IR but its motion controls were beyond beyond unnecessary. Nintendo has made best use of its technology in its new series (anything with Wii in the title, those ocean games, etc.), which we didn't expect, and Sony is in no different position in that regard.

But even if were to play the name game, Sony fans expect Ratchet and Clank, God of War, SOCOM (already announced to use Move), etc. Both LBP's will be patched for Move. I think there is just a misconception that because the average NL forum user does not hear about lots of big name PS3 games that there aren't many, when it's more likely that they don't hear about these games because they primarily visit a Nintendo site. Go to the PS3 fan thread if you need more names. I'm particularly interested in how the guys behind Flower could use this.

Oh you're quite right. In fact, the only thing I take issue with in your response is the assumption that "everyone hated" Zelda's waggle attack, as I can personally vouch for having met no fewer than four people who share names with Dickens characters who thought it was perfect.

But seriously, you're right to play the name game. The titles you've rattled off are ones that never occurred to me, as I've never owned a Sony console and have had limited experience with their consoles. I don't recognize the names the way I recognize Nintendo's flagship franchises, but for someone who does recognize them, I'm sure it's an equal selling point that a Mario / Zelda / Metroid is to me.

Overall, though...the hardware doesn't excite me at all this year. And that goes for Nintendo as well. I don't care about the 3DS any more than I care about Move or Natal...putting them all on equal footing to impress me.

This time around I'm only excited about sequels to games I already know, which is...kind of sad. I'm only looking forward to footage of Pikmin, Zelda, Metroid, Half-Life, Portal and Fallout sequels...so I'm reeeeeally hoping for a few unexpected surprises. All of those sequels will be varying degress of "excellent" I'm sure (if we get them...) but I doubt any of them will be game-changers in any way.

But yes...I've explained why the Move doesn't thrill me, and I do now confess that it's mainly due to an unfamiliarity on my part about what Sony gamers can rightfully expect to support it.

Did Orlick like Twilight Princess? For some reason I thought even he didn't like it. He was never as much an advocate for long-running series as the Wii series, and of course It's My Birthday.

But yea, I'm not impressed yet myself, and don't expect to be, with any of the new hardware. Honestly, I expect Vitality Sensor to be the most interesting, including 3DS. 3D on handheld doesn't make sense to me. PS3's 3D tech would be interesting, except no one has 3D TVs, so that isn't exciting either, though I imagine years down the road that will be the next big thing if they can get rid of the goofy glasses.

It's my hope that Nintendo has a lot of surprises. I'm excited for a few sequels, almost all on PS3 (Other M, Metal Gear Rising, New Vegas, and above all Last Guardian), but I am really hoping Nintendo at least has some original stuff planned. They're running out of sequels to milk (I'd like to be excited about Zelda, but its recent history on consoles does nothing to inspire confidence), and I prefer their original stuff anyway.

Whenever I think about how little I expect from Nintendo this year, I have to repeat my mantra: Project Sora, Project Sora, Project Sora. And a wave of relief washes all the anxiety away. Come on, Sakurai, what the heck have you been doing all this time?

Oh he loved it. I think you've just done an enviously great job of blocking out those memories. He even lobbied at one point for the Twilight Princess review here to be revised with the rationale that it deserved a much better score.

I won't dig up the threads (I would only become depressed) but thems was surely wild times.

E3= the bigest hopes in the world

heeee~ere i come to ruin your daaaaa~ay~
_lol
edit: dang, that was all only around last August-ish... it feels so long ago D:

I MISS MRMICAWBER

Dragon, I will accept your compensation for STEALING MAH PHRASE!!

don't miss him too much, he might come back and i'll have to ban him for like the fiftieth time or something D:

I miss him too. These forums are way too boring right now. @^$#*( mods ruining our fun.

User has been banned for this post.

Lets not get off topic, but yeah Mods are kill joys

Oh, dang, now that you mention the review score thing, I do remember that. You have opened the flood gate.

I don't want them to announce F-Zero Wii any more.
I want them to announce F-Zero 3DS. Because that would be glorious.

AM I RIGHT?

Only if the 3DS is capable of pulling of depth perception REALLY well, other wise it'll be a gimmick... Rather than having stuff poking in your face, have it where it feels like you're looking into a box of pure awesome!