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Topic: Agree or disagree - the 'hardcore wii' movement has been self defeating and become an exercise in self loathing.....

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Stuffgamer1

@calculon: If that's what today's standards are, I'm proud to be a social retard! Who needs that crap when you have quality games that don't overdo the "mature" thematic BS?

About Mario Kart, and to a similar extent, SSBB: These games have been bashed for being "dumbed down" and made "less hardcore," but is it true? Is skill really irrelevant while playing these games? NO! In fact, I think it takes even GREATER skill to be able to deal with whatever random crap the game throws at you and still win! After all, no number of Blue Shells will save your sorry butt if you're falling into another pit every five seconds, and if you have no skill, I can beat you to a pulp in Brawl several times over for each "cheap" Final Smash you KO me with.

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mrmicawber

Agrees wit Stufgamer - MK is about consistency - not luck. For every 'cheap' win a lesser skilled player will lose several times....

IGN: The holiday Wii lineup looks thin for the hardcore crowd. We see this. Gamers see this. What, if anything, is Nintendo planning to address it?

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Knux

Mario Kart Wii is a hardcore game. The only reason some casual players win sometimes, is because of some random item completly changes the race.

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Sean007s

SuperSonic1990 wrote:

Mario Kart Wii is a hardcore game. The only reason some casual players win sometimes, is because of some random item completly changes the race.

Dude...they need to have an an option to race without certain items or no items at all....i mean seriously....it would be so fun to race without items as the only way to win...is skill.
I actually was gonna record some Wifi races today on youtube but i stopped as i got sick and tired of the items.

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Adam

Well, there isn't an item switch for random wi-fi match-ups, but in local or friends matches there is. I wouldn't race any other way.

Turning items completely off wouldn't be fun, I don't think (and I'm not even sure it's an option), but limiting the annoying items like blue shells and lightning clouds is great.

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KnucklesSonic8

Turning off items would only be fun on an even playing field.

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Adam

Even then, you might as well race ghost data. The items make the game more frantic and do require skill to use well... except for blue shells, which I prefer to play without.

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theblackdragon

Man, I love playing with blue shells in MKDS. What I like to do is watch for someone firing one off from the back, and if I'm in the front, I'll hit the brakes and let someone zip past me long enough to get blasted by the thing, and then I'm back in the running for first. :3

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Adam

Haha, that reminds me of this one time I play MKDS online. It was a one-on-one match, and I had a blue or red shell. I stopped to wait for the guy to pass me, and he stopped, too. We just sat there for awhile, neither one wanting to move.

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Adamant

J+Bitties wrote:

As for hardcore gamers...boy oh boy, how pretenious is that label...plus, look at the games that most hardcore gamers play...FPS's or the GTA's and rarely do they stray from that.

...which is rather amusing, actually. The game collection of Joe Blow, who'd never consider himself a "gamer", and who'd play video games a couple hours as week or so, generally consists of either:
1) A PS2 with Final Fantasy something, Metal Gear Solid something, Gran Turismo something and one or more of EA's yearly licensed sports games, likely including either Madden if he's American or FIFA if he's European.
2) A 360 with Halo 3, GTA4, some racing game and the same sports games mentioned above.

I mean, wouldn't the very definition of "casual games" be games these kind of people would buy?

In nearly all situations, "hardcore gamers" means "me and people who like what I like" and "hardcore games" means "games aimed at us". They're just snotty whiners with entitlement issues, really.

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Machu

If you can grab a mushroom and hold on to it, it's possible to escape blue shells, just. I've managed it half a dozen times I reckon and it was very very pleasing.

EDIT: The only time I feel confident in first is with 3 bananas and a mushroom in stock.

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mrmicawber

Adamant wrote:

J+Bitties wrote:

As for hardcore gamers...boy oh boy, how pretenious is that label...plus, look at the games that most hardcore gamers play...FPS's or the GTA's and rarely do they stray from that.

...which is rather amusing, actually. The game collection of Joe Blow, who'd never consider himself a "gamer", and who'd play video games a couple hours as week or so, generally consists of either:
1) A PS2 with Final Fantasy something, Metal Gear Solid something, Gran Turismo something and one or more of EA's yearly licensed sports games, likely including either Madden if he's American or FIFA if he's European.
2) A 360 with Halo 3, GTA4, some racing game and the same sports games mentioned above.

I mean, wouldn't the very definition of "casual games" be games these kind of people would buy?

In nearly all situations, "hardcore gamers" means "me and people who like what I like" and "hardcore games" means "games aimed at us". They're just snotty whiners with entitlement issues, really.

Haha this is sooo true -- I cannot tell you how many friedns/people I know who own a PS2 with about a half dozen EA Sports Games, GTA, etc.

IGN: The holiday Wii lineup looks thin for the hardcore crowd. We see this. Gamers see this. What, if anything, is Nintendo planning to address it?

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Xkhaoz

Wii has plenty of Mature games. I think people don't take the Wii seriously, because it was called Wii instead of the Revolution. And maybe it's white and not black. Well, they're coming out with black ones, ah well. Also, because people think Wii is for kids. Wii just isn't taken seriously.

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Adam

So casual means popular now? I'm confused. I know a lot of people with those games (in Adamant's post), too, but they play the games, so obviously they're gamers. What does it take to be a "gamer" these days? Do you have to play professionally? If you own as many games as listed in Adamant's post, then you are a person who plays games, which by definition would be "gamer." All this casual, hardcore, gamer, non-gamer, etc. is just nonsense to me.

And just to play it safe: I'm not trying to step on toes but simply expressing genuine confusion. These terms have too many conflicting meanings for me to follow. I wish the industry would move on and just call people who play games, gamers; people who don't play games, non-gamers; and for the love of Miyamoto, no more of this casual / hardcore stuff.

Maybe that's even what you guys are saying, not sure.

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mrmicawber

We are saying the casual brand on Wii's backside is media created bunk Adam!

The 'casuals' made Space Invaders, they made Donkey Kong, the made PAC MAN!

And they made PS2 as well. They just happened to choose Wii over PS3, in general, this generation.....so Nintendo must have sold out - if they hadn't they would have went out of business like most of the media predicted!

Reversal!

IGN: The holiday Wii lineup looks thin for the hardcore crowd. We see this. Gamers see this. What, if anything, is Nintendo planning to address it?

Oh good, I am neither a gamer or hardcore. Saves me from having to be IGNorant.
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Adam

I understand that part, and I agree that it's silly, but the media is never to be trusted anyway. I just don't follow the definition of "casual." Are casual games just popular games? I never would have referred to Final Fantasy as casual, but you guys referred to people who play those games as casual gamers, something I've never heard. I don't like the term in the first place, so I don't know why I was trying to understand anyway. I'll just go back to playing games and not worrying about what some unprofessional frat boys I mean, the great writers at IGN call my games. Don't mind me.

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mrmicawber

Adam it is sad we argue so much cause we do have some things in common.

The point is, it IS a silly label, and applied inconsistently. The point with FF is a lot of peopl bought it because it is popular. Who knows if they beat it or not, or how skilled they are. They do not give or take away from the credibility of the game/

IGN: The holiday Wii lineup looks thin for the hardcore crowd. We see this. Gamers see this. What, if anything, is Nintendo planning to address it?

Oh good, I am neither a gamer or hardcore. Saves me from having to be IGNorant.
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gameaddict247

Do you agree - No sorry I think your talking crap, I think the more varity of game types on the Wii the better - Mature titles included.

Madworld - massive hype, but all about violence. pretty shallow - Talk about selling this game short, IMO its plays wonderfully and looks fantastic.

House of Dead Overkill - sets a gaming 'world record' for swearing. That is embarassing, insecure and juvenile.The opposite of 'mature' - er lighten up perhaps - It an on rails shooter a great one, you know what your getting plus it has a hummor running though out the game.
so played the above as for the The Conduit, well says you but the majority of reviews say otherwise.

As 30 yr old male gamer im smart enough to know a game does not need a 'mature' context' to bee good like most games pushed on the PS3 /Xbox 360 but only an idiot would dismiss any mature games out of hand.

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Adam

Waltz, you know you can delete a post, right?

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