KoMiCtUrTlE, you should see The Witcher 2 in motion, even at min detail it looks better than almost anything out there, but even more, you will see many many NPCs doing their work at the same time, all of them with incredible detail level and totally natural animations. You will not see a single tree, brick, building or rock repeated twice, everything there is unique and full of strong personality. The only "but" is that the game is pretty short. For PC the recommended specs on RAM is 4GB and 1GB VRAM, how can they port it to 360 and how it will look like is a mistery for me.

RE: The PC discussion: It's completely invalid.

Here's why: The PC market is too small to be a trendsetter. The PS3 and Xbox 360 produce enough for the mass market. And the mass market decides when new consoles are released.

Too small? 15$B in 2011 is too small? And that considering that it might be suffering a ratio of 10/1 illegal/legal copies usage.

I have never seen the PC Market affect the Console market. Ever. Feel free to prove me wrong, though.

Wii U on day one, just like the 3DS. I don't care if the launch line up is terrible; that system needs to be in my hands as soon as possible.

Order-Sol, to prove it is quite easy, most PC gamers are not console gamers because they dont need consoles and so will not buy them. PC market has a direct influence on the sales of all the consoles. Having a gaming PC, why to buy an XBoX? and if you do, would you buy Skyrim for your PC or for your XBoX? Isnt that a direct effect on console market?

Im gonna use my PC to order the WiiU.

However, doesn't choosing to become a PC gamer already seperate you from the console market? I'll try to explain this later. I don't really have the time atm.

Of course I'd still get a wii U xbox sucks.

In all seriousness though xbox just doesn't appeal to me, I kinda like the original xbox but 360 not so much, the only reason I have a 360 is because it was free. The thing I don't really like about it is that all of the good xbox games I've seen seem to be multi-platform so pretty much any 360 games that appeals to me could be instead played on my ps3 which I greatly prefer over it. If I get a 720 it probably won't be til it reaches the end or until one is given to me, which won't be happening.

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So a PC gamer who doesn't buy a console is affecting the console market how?

That's not how markets work. If I don't buy product A because I'm happily invested in product B and there's little chance I'm going to move over, then the guys who make product A aren't going to be interested in pandering to me.

Nintendo and Sony are relying almost entirely on this trend with the 3DS and Vita - that the people that play games on the iPhone and iPad would never be interested in playing "proper" games on a dedicated handheld. Thus far, the data seems to be backing that gambit up. It's been long known that the PC gamer group is this hardcore club of gamers that will never be interested in console gaming. Which is irrelevent to console manufacturers, since they're busy selling products to the larger, socially adjusted, group of people.

It's been long known that the PC gamer group is this hardcore club of gamers that will never be interested in console gaming. Which is irrelevant to console manufacturers, since they're busy selling products to the larger, socially adjusted, group of people.

This. This. This.

Always gotta throw in a shot, huh? But yeah, the rest of that stuff is what I was trying to say. The console manufacturers aren't making games for console gamers. They're two different demographics, and it's rare that one ever affects the other, at least as far as I can see.

I'll throw in a 4th 'this'

Hey, I belong to a group even less socially-adjusted than PC Gamers - Role Players. Exceptions to the rule and all that. I wasn't taking a shot at anyone here

No offense, but you might want to note that. Otherwise people could easily be offended by that (though I think the big PC users here aren't so easily riled up).

Wii U for me - as long the price isn't ridiculous.

It's been long known that the PC gamer group is this hardcore club of gamers that will never be interested in console gaming. Which is irrelevant to console manufacturers, since they're busy selling products to the larger, socially maladjusted, group of people.

This.

Seriously, who derailed this thread?

Just blame it on Mandoble.