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brooks83 wrote:

rallydefault wrote:

 

But from a fairly objective standpoint of a gamer who knows how to use a PC, the PS4's launch window is pretty barren. Sorry.

As an objective gamer myself, the PS4's launch lineup looks more appealing than the Wii U's launch lineup did.

I'd take NSMB.U, Nintendo Land & ZombiU over sony's and MS's next gen lineup 'combined'.

I get a 2D Mario Sidescroller on launch day, a party game based on Nintendo franchises using the Wii U game Pad in fun unique & innovative ways, while ZombiU takes survival horror to a whole new level in terms of how you play game. At this point i'm far more interested in the potential hardware innovation/screen(aka 2nd window into the gaming world) of the game pad, rather than playing another slew of run of the mill traditionally twin stick controlled '3D' games with next gen visual facelifts. These days, i'm just not a big fan anymore of most 3D titles, unless there's some unique, nifty and innovative gimmick attached to them. Elebits, Zack & Wiki and Metroid Prime 3 are three wonderful examples which completely blew my mind, with MP3 taking the cool dudes crown. ;)

Now If the PS4 were busting out the vintage capcom guns, with a new 2D Mega Man, Viewtiful Joe, power stone, RE reboot using pointer controls and what have you i'd be singing a different tune. But as is, it's all very Western driven with a giant splash of B.L.A.N.D At this point, outside of Nintendo in order to get 2D titles we have to rely on many of these hit and miss Indie developers... Shovel Knight is definitly what i'm looking forward to the most!

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"Nintendo is always and historically the highest-scoring first-party entity." - @RallyDefault  Oh really?!?!  Well on PS3 there are 47games (some 1st party, some 3rd, all playable on ps3) that rated 90+ from meticritic(a game review consolidation site).  47 games in 7 years of ps3 which comes to 6.7 games per year that had 90+ consolidated score or higher, playable on the ps3.  

360 had 48 games in 8years which comes to 6 games per year at 90+ rating.

The Wii had 14 games in 7 years which comes out to 2 90+ rated games per year.

The Wii U has zero games rated 90+ .

So @RallyDefault you were saying about highest rated games?

Wii U meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

360 meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

PS3 meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

Wii meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/all/wi...

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SCAR392 wrote:

brooks83 wrote:

rallydefault wrote:

 

But from a fairly objective standpoint of a gamer who knows how to use a PC, the PS4's launch window is pretty barren. Sorry.

As an objective gamer myself, the PS4's launch lineup looks more appealing than the Wii U's launch lineup did.

The Wii U has its holiday games that are coming out around the launch of other consoles too, though.
Mario, W101, WW HD, Wii U Party, etc, and other unannounced games are gonna be out during the other systems' launch period.

I totally agree Nintendo has some great games coming out this holiday. I was just comparing launch titles.

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WaveBoy wrote:

brooks83 wrote:

rallydefault wrote:

 

But from a fairly objective standpoint of a gamer who knows how to use a PC, the PS4's launch window is pretty barren. Sorry.

As an objective gamer myself, the PS4's launch lineup looks more appealing than the Wii U's launch lineup did.

I'd take NSMB.U, Nintendo Land & ZombiU over sony's and MS's next gen lineup 'combined'.

I love me some 2D Mario, but the game just looked very "been there, done that". I'm sure it's fun, and Zombi U does look awesome, just at the Wii U's launch it wasn't enough to make me want to run out and get a Wii U. I was also very dissapointed that there was no VC at launch. I also agree with you about the bland action and FPS games that litter the shelves these days. I'm getting a Wii U for the Nintendo exclusives and seriously considering becoming a PC gamer for my multiplat fix.

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Well I was comapring the lanches and even with the indie games the Window was pretty barren. @brooke83 isn't comparing Nintendo's current line up ot he other system alunches. He's comparing where the Wii U's lauch to that of the upcoming PS4s.

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Sorry I misquoted @RallyDefault so I'm reporting my stats with correct quote.

"...using the reviews and statistics so many of you just LOVE to cite, Nintendo is always and historically the highest-scoring first-party entity." - @RallyDefault  Oh really?!?!  Well on PS3 there are 47games (some 1st party, some 3rd, all playable on ps3) that rated 90+ from meticritic(a game review consolidation site).  47 games in 7 years of ps3 which comes to 6.7 games per year that had 90+ consolidated score or higher, playable on the ps3.  

360 had 48 games in 8years which comes to 6 games per year at 90+ rating.

The Wii had 14 games in 7 years which comes out to 2 90+ rated games per year.

The Wii U has zero games rated 90+ .

So @RallyDefault you were saying about highest rated games?

Wii U meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

360 meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

PS3 meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

Wii meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/all/wi...

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267. Posted:

brooks83 wrote:

I love me some 2D Mario, but the game just looked very "been there, done that". I'm sure it's fun, and Zombi U does look awesome, just at the Wii U's launch it wasn't enough to make me want to run out and get a Wii U. I was also very dissapointed that there was no VC at launch. I also agree with you about the bland action and FPS games that litter the shelves these days. I'm getting a Wii U for the Nintendo exclusives and seriously considering becoming a PC gamer for my multiplat fix.

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uptownsoul wrote:

"Nintendo is always and historically the highest-scoring first-party entity." - @RallyDefault  Oh really?!?!  Well on PS3 there are 47games (some 1st party, some 3rd, all playable on ps3) that rated 90+ from meticritic(a game review consolidation site).  47 games in 7 years of ps3 which comes to 6.7 games per year that had 90+ consolidated score or higher, playable on the ps3.  

360 had 48 games in 8years which comes to 6 games per year at 90+ rating.

The Wii had 14 games in 7 years which comes out to 2 90+ rated games per year.

The Wii U has zero games rated 90+ .

So @RallyDefault you were saying about highest rated games?

Wii U meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

360 meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

PS3 meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

Wii meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/all/wi...

He did say first party so check this out
Nintendo:
http://www.metacritic.com/company/nintendo?filter-options=gam...

Microsoft Game Studio:
http://www.metacritic.com/company/microsoft-game-studios

SCEA:
http://www.metacritic.com/company/scea

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269. Posted:

@Sony_70
I know he was comparing launch games. My point was that the games will be out around the same time. It doesn't matter whether their launch games or not.

@uptownsoul
I'm not one to take reviews very seriously. It gives some good insight, but it ultimately comes down to how much YOU enjoy the game. The games that come to mind immediately when I think of overrated games are: Uncharted 2 & 3, The Last of Us, Dead Space 2 and 3, Assassin's Creed series, Ratchet & Clank: ToD, Borderlands 1, etc. high rated games. Even Braid wasn't a 93 or whatever game. I got bored of that $*** so fast, but there it is on the highest rated list.

Notice how I didn't put Uncharted 1 or Dead Space 1 above... I even liked Mirror's Edge better than some of the highest rated games, and that didn't score very well. Ratings are pretty subjective. I found the some of the user scores to be more fair, but even some those seem generous.

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@DefHalan I understand he said 1st party. But most people value their console based on all the games they can play on said console. They don't buy just 1st party games. I also did all the games as a partial shot at anybody that says 3rd party games aren't very good but Nintendo games are so great. So it was kind of a two-fer.

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271. Posted:

@Scar392 I dont go for the highest reviewed games blindly either, so we have that in common

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272. Posted:

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But the Last of Us is the citizen Kane of Gaming lulz.

If were comparing just comparing the line up's for this year than I'd honestly say they're pretty even to me.

Wii U
Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD
WIi Party U
Donkey Kong Country Returns Tropical Freeze
Mario and Sonic at the Olympics 2014
Super Mario 3D Land
Wii Fit U

Playstation 4
The Playroom
Knack
Killzone: Shadowfall
Drive CLub
Resgogun
Flower
DC Universe Online

Xbox One
Dead Rising 3
Ryse: Son of Rome
Killer Instinct
Crimson Dragon
Lococycle
Powerstar Golf
Zoo Tycoon

All three have great line ups. For me it personally came down to wanting to play some Fifa 14 which pushed the WIii U to next year. Than it came down to all the indie games, free to play, and MMO's the PS4 will have at launch. (or when I get one between Jan-march). Plus I want to play DCUO.

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I think you're at the point where you're not really understanding what everyone is saying, but instead you are mostly trying to validate some sort of notion within yourself. I said Nintendo as a first party is easily the most-often lauded developer, being responsible for some of the most iconic games of all time. Part of this is simply by virtue of the company being around for so much longer than Microsoft and Sony, and part of it is simply because they are good at what they do. Yes, Sony has many awesome games they've developed first or second party (and I've enjoyed quite of few of them on my own Playstation consoles), but they simply don't stack up to the behemoth that Nintendo is and has been throughout memory. That's why VC is such a big deal for Nintendo consoles - I'm not talking about Nintendo's great games on just the Wii U, Wii, Gamecube, and N64. We can go all the way back to NES, SNES, and Gameboy - long before Sony ever entered the video game arena. So I'll say it again: to try and argue that Nintendo's first-party games are not "good" or that the notion is only an opinion is silly, as they've been recognized as being outstanding for about 30 years now.

@Sony_70

If you want to be fair by comparing those lineups, you need to take DC Universe away from PS4 - it's available on PC, as well. None of the Nintendo games you listed are. Also, many people believe we'll be seeing quite a few of those Xbone games on the PC, too. Keep the playing field equal and I'll respect what you're saying.

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I'm sorry @RallyDefault I thought you were debating why the wii u was worth buying. I apologize for inturrupting you trip down memory lane. Just because Nintendo has been making consoles the longest doesn't in and of itself suggest that the Nintendo wii u is going to take of this holiday season. Only the upcoming games will determine that. But back to your wonderful trip of nostalgia.

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rallydefault wrote:

That's why VC is such a big deal for Nintendo consoles - I'm not talking about Nintendo's great games on just the Wii U, Wii, Gamecube, and N64. We can go all the way back to NES, SNES, and Gameboy - long before Sony ever entered the video game arena

VC could and should be a big deal, which is why Nintendo's handling of it is so dissapointing.

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I think it's not the best idea to compare PS4 and Wii U as rivals. Sony's strategy is to do whatever it takes to get back on top, while Nintendo's plan is to just be successful and profit. I honestly think if Nintendo is in 2nd place, the company will be more than happy (unless it's a far away 2nd place ala everything that wasn't PS2 in the early 2000s).

Now one thing I needed to point out, people need to stop assuming that the key for Wii U to win is to get as many multi-console games as possible. Having those unquestionably make the console look more varied and are a good thing, but let's be honest, even if Wii U becomes a big deal after this holiday season, how many of these games will be popular on Nintendo? Having poorly selling 3rd party titles can be far worse for the company than not having those games at all. What they should be doing is focusing on helping a few of the big multi-console titles be successful (especially from Ubisoft), and the rest on using their own brand name to, in some way or another, work with less gigantic companies to elevate their games to mainstream popularity. That way they not only have more 3rd party games that people buy, but potentially more exclusive ones and from companies that have a reason to be grateful to Nintendo specifically.

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277. Posted:

rallydefault wrote:

@uptownsoul

I think you're at the point where you're not really understanding what everyone is saying, but instead you are mostly trying to validate some sort of notion within yourself. I said Nintendo as a first party is easily the most-often lauded developer, being responsible for some of the most iconic games of all time. Part of this is simply by virtue of the company being around for so much longer than Microsoft and Sony, and part of it is simply because they are good at what they do. Yes, Sony has many awesome games they've developed first or second party (and I've enjoyed quite of few of them on my own Playstation consoles), but they simply don't stack up to the behemoth that Nintendo is and has been throughout memory. That's why VC is such a big deal for Nintendo consoles - I'm not talking about Nintendo's great games on just the Wii U, Wii, Gamecube, and N64. We can go all the way back to NES, SNES, and Gameboy - long before Sony ever entered the video game arena. So I'll say it again: to try and argue that Nintendo's first-party games are not "good" or that the notion is only an opinion is silly, as they've been recognized as being outstanding for about 30 years now.

@Sony_70

If you want to be fair by comparing those lineups, you need to take DC Universe away from PS4 - it's available on PC, as well. None of the Nintendo games you listed are. Also, many people believe we'll be seeing quite a few of those Xbone games on the PC, too. Keep the playing field equal and I'll respect what you're saying.

I was counting exclusives between the three consoles and for the majority of the mainstream market couldn't care less about PC. I mean technically Wind Waker is a gamecube game. Also there's an interna; mandate for exclusives to not be put on PC anymore. GFWL has been killed and the PC divison has turned into a mobile studio.

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DefHalan wrote:

uptownsoul wrote:

"Nintendo is always and historically the highest-scoring first-party entity." - @RallyDefault  Oh really?!?!  Well on PS3 there are 47games (some 1st party, some 3rd, all playable on ps3) that rated 90+ from meticritic(a game review consolidation site).  47 games in 7 years of ps3 which comes to 6.7 games per year that had 90+ consolidated score or higher, playable on the ps3.  

360 had 48 games in 8years which comes to 6 games per year at 90+ rating.

The Wii had 14 games in 7 years which comes out to 2 90+ rated games per year.

The Wii U has zero games rated 90+ .

So @RallyDefault you were saying about highest rated games?

Wii U meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

360 meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

PS3 meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

Wii meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/all/wi...

He did say first party so check this out
Nintendo:
http://www.metacritic.com/company/nintendo?filter-options=gam...

Microsoft Game Studio:
http://www.metacritic.com/company/microsoft-game-studios

SCEA:
http://www.metacritic.com/company/scea

im sorry really metacritic. sony and microsoft buy there reviews and half the time they lower the score because of wii controls(saying its not hardcore) they are like ign but worst and everyone even ign gave pikmin and wonderful 101 high scores.

and @Sony_70 over a large part of the gaming community are pc gamers so what do you mean(plus almost all nintendo gamers own a gaming PC) p.s it makes you look biased with a name like that.

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feline2 wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

uptownsoul wrote:

"Nintendo is always and historically the highest-scoring first-party entity." - @RallyDefault  Oh really?!?!  Well on PS3 there are 47games (some 1st party, some 3rd, all playable on ps3) that rated 90+ from meticritic(a game review consolidation site).  47 games in 7 years of ps3 which comes to 6.7 games per year that had 90+ consolidated score or higher, playable on the ps3.  

360 had 48 games in 8years which comes to 6 games per year at 90+ rating.

The Wii had 14 games in 7 years which comes out to 2 90+ rated games per year.

The Wii U has zero games rated 90+ .

So @RallyDefault you were saying about highest rated games?

Wii U meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

360 meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

PS3 meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

Wii meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/all/wi...

He did say first party so check this out
Nintendo:
http://www.metacritic.com/company/nintendo?filter-options=gam...

Microsoft Game Studio:
http://www.metacritic.com/company/microsoft-game-studios

SCEA:
http://www.metacritic.com/company/scea

im sorry really metacritic. sony and microsoft buy there reviews and half the time they lower the score because of wii controls(saying its not hardcore) they are like ign but worst and everyone even ign gave pikmin and wonderful 101 high scores.

Yeah, if you disagree with the scores, just pull out a conspiracy theory to help rationalize it. Good job.

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brooks83 wrote:

feline2 wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

uptownsoul wrote:

"Nintendo is always and historically the highest-scoring first-party entity." - @RallyDefault  Oh really?!?!  Well on PS3 there are 47games (some 1st party, some 3rd, all playable on ps3) that rated 90+ from meticritic(a game review consolidation site).  47 games in 7 years of ps3 which comes to 6.7 games per year that had 90+ consolidated score or higher, playable on the ps3.  

360 had 48 games in 8years which comes to 6 games per year at 90+ rating.

The Wii had 14 games in 7 years which comes out to 2 90+ rated games per year.

The Wii U has zero games rated 90+ .

So @RallyDefault you were saying about highest rated games?

Wii U meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

360 meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

PS3 meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available...

Wii meticritic
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/all/wi...

He did say first party so check this out
Nintendo:
http://www.metacritic.com/company/nintendo?filter-options=gam...

Microsoft Game Studio:
http://www.metacritic.com/company/microsoft-game-studios

SCEA:
http://www.metacritic.com/company/scea

im sorry really metacritic. sony and microsoft buy there reviews and half the time they lower the score because of wii controls(saying its not hardcore) they are like ign but worst and everyone even ign gave pikmin and wonderful 101 high scores.

Yeah, if you disagree with the scores, just pull out a conspiracy theory to help rationalize it. Good job.

its not a consparicy if they have big ads on the website then its most likly to get the best score and why do you think that call of duty gets high scores ok google it or bing it or what ever.

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