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Topic: Will the earlier release of SSB4 for 3DS kill Wii U sales?

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skywake

If sequels and games that are nothing more than special editions of the same thing can sell then a HD version that you can play on a large screen sure can sell. Just look at Pokemon, usually the third version is little more than the same game with a marginally different story. On the same platform too so there's little actual reason to get both and even less reason to wait for the second. But people do. Every single one has sold between 30% and 50% of the original.

And people think the Wii U version of one of the biggest Nintendo games won't sell at all because of this? Really? Once more, the key example, Monster Hunter Tri on Wii and DS moved the same number of units. Explain how that works if this "first version makes second obsolete" theory holds. Especially given how well the originals sold.

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Most of the best selling next gen games came out the EXACT same time as the last gen version despite an even bigger difference between the amount of people who have the new console/s.

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Toodles78

skywake wrote:

And people think the Wii U version of one of the biggest Nintendo games won't sell at all because of this? Really? Once more, the key example, Monster Hunter Tri on Wii and DS moved the same number of units. Explain how that works if this "first version makes second obsolete" theory holds. Especially given how well the originals sold.

They moved the same number of units because the Wii and DS both sold very well. There is a huge difference between the amount of 3DS's and Wii Us out there.

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larry_koopa

No. As soon as the Wii U version comes out nobody will really care about the 3DS game. The 3DS is a great handheld, but it's not well suit for Smash Bros. People want to gather around their TV and play that game with controllers in-hand, and finally in HD.

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Patchouli wrote:

skywake wrote:

And people think the Wii U version of one of the biggest Nintendo games won't sell at all because of this? Really? Once more, the key example, Monster Hunter Tri on Wii and DS moved the same number of units. Explain how that works if this "first version makes second obsolete" theory holds. Especially given how well the originals sold.

They moved the same number of units because the Wii and DS both sold very well. There is a huge difference between the amount of 3DS's and Wii Us out there.

Pretty sure Monster Hunter 3 was never released on DS. It was released on Wii in 2010 and on 3DS and Wii U in 2013.

According to VGChartz (which isn't the most accurate), it sold 2.6mil on 3DS, 2.2mil on Wii, and 500k on Wii U. More sales on the 3DS obviously, but a higher attach rate on the Wii U. I expect a similar situation for Smash, but with Smash U strategically placed in a week before Black Friday release slot, it has higher potential to be a great system seller through the holiday. The 3DS will have that leverage too, but to a lesser effect.

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iKhan

crimsoncavalier wrote:

I don't think Smash Bros is a system seller, so no, I don't think this will hurt. Additionally, most people know that, as deep and fleshed out the 3DS version is, the "real" version is for Wii U. I personally (and obviously I speak for no one but myself) do not care for the 3DS version at all. I will not be buying it now or ever. I will eventually get the Wii U version. I think most people that have both Wii U and 3DS will do what I do. Only the hardiest of the hardcore will get both. But if they have to chose, most gamers will get the real, Wii U, version.

How is smash not a system seller? Brawls launch month still holds the record for highest console sales outside of holiday season in NA. Yes, higher than the launch month of MK Wii.

If it weren't for smash bros, I probably would have a PS2 over a GC, and the Wii U would pretty much be out of the question.

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Just imagine if Sony or Microsoft was in Nintendo's position.... They would've DELAYED Smash Bros. 3DS until 2015 and focused on releasing the Wii U version first! Its just a shame that Smash Wii U can't push a huge bunch of people to say, "This is ONLY on Wii U so I gotta buy a Wii U!" And OF COURSE the Wii U version will be vastly superior! It just won't sell the way it deserves! It might just FLOP in Japan too!

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skywake

SpookyMeths wrote:

Pretty sure Monster Hunter 3 was never released on DS. It was released on Wii in 2010 and on 3DS and Wii U in 2013.

Yeah, I meant 3DS.

Patchouli wrote:

skywake wrote:

And people think the Wii U version of one of the biggest Nintendo games won't sell at all because of this? Really? Once more, the key example, Monster Hunter Tri on Wii and DS moved the same number of units. Explain how that works if this "first version makes second obsolete" theory holds. Especially given how well the originals sold.

They moved the same number of units because the Wii and DS both sold very well. There is a huge difference between the amount of 3DS's and Wii Us out there.

Well firstly that's not what the argument is. Nobody here is saying that a game won't sell better on a console that has a better install base. The argument here is about whether or not sales of a portable version will "kill" the sales potential of a non-portable equivalent. Clearly that hasn't been the case for previous games. Again some game revisions sell even if they're on the same platform let alone a different platform that offers its own distinct advantages.

Secondly I mistyped. I meant Wii and 3DS not Wii and DS. Even for a game mostly loved in the portable loving Japan that's nowhere near the same thing. Looking at sales? The 3DS version sold better despite launching later than the non-portable versions. At worst it has sold about equivalent in terms of attach rate.

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rjejr

Is the topic - will having the game on 3DS kill sales of the game on Wii U - or - kill the Wii U b/c nobody needs to buy a Wii U now to play it?

The Wii U may be dead in the minds of consumers, not sure anything can save it at this point, even if it were $99 people still may not buy it b/c they just seem so disinterested due in part to Ninteod's lack of advertising, so I'll just focus on the games.

I don't see how anybody can answer if the 3DS version kills the Wii U version b/c we know almost nothing about the Wii U version. If its basically just the same game, or even less, then it will hurt sales, and deservedly so. but there is so much we don't know.
1. Is there a level editor? Brawl had 1 so I think we should expect it. And if it's actually a good level editor - like LBP or MNR - and not that extremely limited 1 in Brawl then people will want to buy the game to make their own levels.
2. So many modes in 3DS version, Smash run, solo and multi - see the long list on this site yesterday. how many modes is the Wii U version getting?
3. We were told no Subspace Emissary sequel but maybe they lied?
4. amiibo? We've been getting tons of screenshots of the 3DS menu screens for months now, not a 1 for Wii U version. So I'm wondering maybe the U version plays like Nintendo Land 2 w/ a hub world for the amiibo to live in and we can decorate it. MNR had a pretty good hub world - though long loading times. LBP has a spaceship. The amibo need a place to live. Also related - during the long Friday Treehouse they went out of their way NOT to show the menu on Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker - whenever they finished a level the guy and girl were talking about quickly cutting away from the menu on screen - so maybe it's in there?

Ninnedo must think the game is going to do well - they are selling $20 adapters and $30 controllers just for that 1 game. So I thnik they have something up their sleeve. MAybe more than 1 thing.

And the obligatory - the game will sell poorly or not depending on the release date, which we still don't have. Releasing after Christmas will hurt sales more than the 3DS version.

Numerically 40mil 3DS owners vs 8mil Wii U owners says 3DS kills Wii U sales, but I think the games speak for themselves. U version will never reach 3DS numbers w/ that install base discrepancy but if it's a good game, and it releases soon, it will sell.

Why buy a Wii U and not own SSB U?

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skywake

I think people are overthinking this and are stuck in the doom-thread loop again. A similar strategy has worked well for them for other games, there's no reason why it can't also work for Smash. I mean we're talking about Smash Bros, a game which sells about as well as Halo. It's no Mario Kart but it comes close. Frankly I'd be surprised if it doesn't hit 15mill across both platforms lifetime sales. And that ain't too shabby.

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NinjaWaddleDee

Personally, I'm like you. Waiting until the Wii U version releases to play that one first. However, I think that if Nintendo markets the Amiibos and Smash well enough, they should be able to sell a lot more Wii U copies of Smash. That reason alone may be why Amiibo was even created in the first place.

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Ryu_Niiyama

I doubt it. I was going to wait for the Wiiu version but the stages and modes sold me on the 3ds version. Worst case is some 3ds owners don't buy a wiiu FOR smash alone but honestly there are other reasons to own a Wiiu anyway. I think it will help since those that may have been mostly handhelds but heard about smash may take the plunge after trying a smaller version of the game.

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Toodles78

Imagine if Nintendo bundled the Wii U, SSB4, and SM3DW together. It'd sell like hotcakes.

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Xenjamin

Not for me, the 3DS is like a "lite" version of it imo. BUT i would definetaly settle with just the 3DS version if i was low on cash!

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Getting Wii U version of SSB regardless of the sales, because I don't care about the sales.

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After playing the 3DS smash I can already tell the Wii U version will be much better

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Grumblevolcano

Patchouli wrote:

Imagine if Nintendo bundled the Wii U, SSB4, and SM3DW together. It'd sell like hotcakes.

Replace SM3DW with MK8 and I think it could happen.

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WinkSugoi

Sales in Japan seems to suggest that Smash 3DS is not really moving systems (though the new 3DS being released around the corner also factors into that) even though the game itself is doing gangbusters. I imagine it's going to play out the same in the West. Many who don't already have a 3DS will probably not bother with the 3DS version.

Worst case scenario for the Wii U version is that it ends up in the same predicament. In which case, that means that Nintendo made the right call. If you can't get the money from systems, then get it through the games. Being a holiday release, having Mario Kart 8 on the shelf beside it, and the promise of Zelda next year will certainly help it's case as a system seller but even if it doesn't, the 3DS version's existence will be the least of blame since this has been the ongoing story of the Wii U.

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rjejr

Copied and pasted from another thread - at least it looks like the U version is coming soon, you can almost feel Nintendo wanting to announce it:

I think Ninteod updated the Wii U page (US) to list SSB U as "Coming soon". Still says "Holiday 2014" but I think "Coming soon" is new. It's a start.

http://www.nintendo.com/wiiu

http://www.smashbros.com/us/

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iKhan

PrincessSugoi wrote:

Sales in Japan seems to suggest that Smash 3DS is not really moving systems (though the new 3DS being released around the corner also factors into that) even though the game itself is doing gangbusters. I imagine it's going to play out the same in the West. Many who don't already have a 3DS will probably not bother with the 3DS version.

Worst case scenario for the Wii U version is that it ends up in the same predicament. In which case, that means that Nintendo made the right call. If you can't get the money from systems, then get it through the games. Being a holiday release, having Mario Kart 8 on the shelf beside it, and the promise of Zelda next year will certainly help it's case as a system seller but even if it doesn't, the 3DS version's existence will be the least of blame since this has been the ongoing story of the Wii U.

For the record, 3DS sales were actually higher in the 2nd week of Smash on the market, and I think, considering the n3DS is priced the same as the current models right now, the n3DS is the main contributor from the sales that aren't completely explosive.

Smash is always a system seller. I'd argue it's in the league of Halo as one of the strongest system sellers in the history of video games. People buys systems years in advance because of the promise of games like Smash and Halo.

When Brawl launched, the Wii sold the greatest number of consoles in a non launch, non holiday month in history. There is clearly a strong system selling potential.

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