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Action51

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"...it's a 3D adaptation of the 2D Mario platformers."

Or is it the merging of the two?

Basically the only thing they (3D World and 64/Sunshine/Galaxy) have in common, except for the general stuff, is that they're both 3D. All the other elements from 3D World, and 3D Land as well, are the same as the 2D games. As I said before, the time limit, flagpole as your end goal, lineair style of gameplay, 3 collectibles along your way, and the absence of a HUB world* are all taken from the 2D games. So I don't think there's much reason to call it a merging of both, as the 3D is the only different thing in comparison to the 2D games.

(*3D World's level select screen doesn't account for the HUB worlds we've seen before, there's no interaction possible with anything, no jumping etc, it's basically a glorified selection screen from the 2D games, just with more free roam movement. It doesn't really add much to the game.)

Let's see: We have Mario, Goombas, Koopas, Bowser, Rosalina, Galaxy themed world, spin attack....

Also, let's not forget there were several worlds in Galaxy that moved along on an auto scroll, Galaxy 2 featured Yoshi who was first featured in 2d Mario World on SNES, ghost houses, etc.

Don't forget, the "hub world" in Galaxy and especially in Galaxy 2 is mostly just a stage select zone. In fact, the layout of how you select which planet to visit in Galaxy 2 is more like the overworld map in Super Mario 3 and Super Mario World (once you zoom out from the spaceship) then it is like Super Mario 64 and Sunshine.

compare: http://s1.dmcdn.net/DZdMk/x240-QT9.jpg

and: http://nintendo3dsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/overwo...

I don't want to get into a nitpicking match, but clearly there are enough common threads to link Super Mario 3D world to pretty much any game in the main Mario platforming franchises. (Obviously there are differences too)

Like it or not, it's a "true 3D Mario" it's just not as much like 64 and Sunshine as some people wanted.

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42. Posted:

Super Mario 3D World along with HD remakes of Super Mario Galaxy 1 & II during 2014 or 2015 would suffice for this generation IMO.

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43. Posted:

Action51 wrote:

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Basically the only thing they (3D World and 64/Sunshine/Galaxy) have in common, except for the general stuff, is that they're both 3D. All the other elements from 3D World, and 3D Land as well, are the same as the 2D games. As I said before, the time limit, flagpole as your end goal, lineair style of gameplay, 3 collectibles along your way, and the absence of a HUB world* are all taken from the 2D games. So I don't think there's much reason to call it a merging of both, as the 3D is the only different thing in comparison to the 2D games.

(*3D World's level select screen doesn't account for the HUB worlds we've seen before, there's no interaction possible with anything, no jumping etc, it's basically a glorified selection screen from the 2D games, just with more free roam movement. It doesn't really add much to the game.)

Let's see: We have Mario, Goombas, Koopas, Bowser, Rosalina, Galaxy themed world, spin attack....

Also, let's not forget there were several worlds in Galaxy that moved along on an auto scroll, Galaxy 2 featured Yoshi who was first featured in 2d Mario World on SNES, ghost houses, etc.

Don't forget, the "hub world" in Galaxy and especially in Galaxy 2 is mostly just a stage select zone. In fact, the layout of how you select which planet to visit in Galaxy 2 is more like the overworld map in Super Mario 3 and Super Mario World (once you zoom out from the spaceship) then it is like Super Mario 64 and Sunshine.

compare: http://s1.dmcdn.net/DZdMk/x240-QT9.jpg

and: http://nintendo3dsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/overwo...

I don't want to get into a nitpicking match, but clearly there are enough common threads to link Super Mario 3D world to pretty much any game in the main Mario platforming franchises. (Obviously there are differences too)

Like it or not, it's a "true 3D Mario" it's just not as much like 64 and Sunshine as some people wanted.

Galaxy 2 is a collection of Galaxy levels that couldn't make it in the first game, Nintendo said so themselves. But I agree, Galaxy 2 was taking a more lineair approach to the level selection. I consider characters and enemies part of the ''general stuff'', or else every game could be considered a sequel that has Mario in it. The Observatory wasn't as grand as Delfino Plaza, but there was enough to do. In Galaxy 2 however, I have no idea what they did there with that spaceship.

And again, yes I know it's a 3D Mario game, everybody knows this, but that's not what I'm trying to say.

The point is, it's part of the 3D series (containing 3D Land, and 3D World), a series based of the 2D games. Just as there's a series of 2D games, and a series of ''open-world'' games. Koizumi and Miyamoto themselves acknowledge this.

To get back to the thing that started this all, the OP requested a 3D Mario in the vein of 64/Sunshine/Galaxy. The 120-star collect-a-thon open world style of gameplay. Something 3D World couldn't deliver him/her. I'd like to see something like that as well, especially because 3D open world platformers are getting rare these days.

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44. Posted:

I guess I'm still hung up on this idea that because elements from particular games in a franchise don't appear in this particular game, it's not a "true" game or it's unworthy of the legacy of that series.

I like all of these games. They've all been excellent games full of hours and hours of fun content. Opinions on what features we think should or should not be included in each game is irrelevant. I for one am glad they switched up the formula for this installment, and I would have no problem going back to features found in previous titles so long as the game is good.

What I take issue with is diminishing a game because it wasn't the exact game that the TC wanted. No matter how much you try and create new criteria to judge what counts as a "true" 3D Mario game....it's a Mario Game, it's "canon" and it's in full 3D.

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ok so nobody liked the hologram answer(even though it was the only real right one)
to me a real 3D Mario game is a mario game that isn't limited to sidescrolling(yeah even the RPGs and Kart)
a real 3D Mario platformer tome is a 3D Mario game that follows the most basic standards for 3D platformers, at least.
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46. Posted:

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Super Mario Sunshine Galaxy? Cleaning up the universe one planet at a time?

Can't tell you how many times I've suggested this.

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I say a true Mario game must be set in the Mushroom Kingdom to be acceptable, so that means Galaxy, Galaxy 2, Super Mario 3D World and Super Mario Sunshine are all NOT true Super Mario Games!

Now, that means Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 3D Land are the ONLY TRUE 3D Super Mario games.

Too bad...my criteria trumps yours because I say so.

See how that works?

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48. Posted:

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You forgot Super Mario World. As far as I know, that doesn't take place in the Mushroom Kingdom.

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49. Posted:

I think we will see one but right now I think it's best if Mario takes a year off........ or two.....

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50. Posted:

SM3DW is fantastic but I agree there was something more special about the galaxy games for single player. I hope they'll do a SMG3 absolutely.

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Mario needs to take five..................... years.

I'd be open to SMG3, but not for a while yet. They need to bench Mario for a bit.
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52. Posted:

Who knows. Usually we get one 3D Mario per system, so 3D World might be it.

I personally hope they give us another game in the same vein of Super Mario 64/Sunshine/Galaxy on the WiiU as well. I dislike that the 3D Land/World games are based around a timer. It doesn't fit in a 3D game IMO, I want to explore at my own pace and take my time with each level.

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53. Posted:

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You forgot Super Mario World. As far as I know, that doesn't take place in the Mushroom Kingdom.

:P

Ah, well the topic was 3D Mario games, and Super Mario World is is a 2D Mario game that takes place on Dino Island.

Of course you get that I don't really believe all that...lol...but I was trying to make a point about people using their own arbitrary criteria to exclude or diminish the value of an entry in a series.

If there is one Mario game that you could argue isn't a "true" this or that, it's Super Mario Bros. 2 US....because it's technically a Doki Doki Panic reskin and not built from the ground up as a Super Mario title.

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i agree we need a new exploratory mario game. and i think personally we will get a hd remake of super mario sunshine, which i personally cant wait for as i have a lot of great memories of that game. but i think people are understating how good sm3dw actually was. i played endlessly with my gf on it. we beat every level, unlocked every secret and never got bored along the way. it is a modern day version of super mario world off the snes and it did a slap up job of being that. the gameplay was epic, smooth and precise. peopel seem to be already dropping it by the sidelines as a gap filler when in reality it was a well executed and extremely well produced game.

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55. Posted:

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I think you may be being a bit nostalgic. I played Galaxy a week or two ago and honestly, it wasn't as grand as I remembered. Super Mario 3D World was a true 3D Mario game, however!

It's technically 3D. But it's closer to NSMBU than Super Mario 64/Sunshine/Galaxy due to how ungodly linear the levels are. That's likely what the OP misses, not the technical '3D-ness' of it.

This.

100% this.

I personally would take an adventure mario platformer (Mario 64, Mario Sunshine) over a linear get to the goal flag Mario game (NSMB, 3D World) any day.

I liked 3D World, but I didn't love it like I did Mario 64 and Mario Sunshine (extremely under-appreciated game by the way).

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56. Posted:

No matter what, they really need to bench the 2D-style Mario games for a bit (and I include 3D World in that criteria). The U as a platform is massively over-saturated with 2D-style platformers at the moment.

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57. Posted:

you can always try the Skyrim Mario mod

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58. Posted:

Nintendo really needs to explore this style and make a 3D game out of it.
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59. Posted:

Would love to see Mario back jumping into paintings, with new power caps, and whole new stages to fully explore.

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Never!

Yeah, probably.

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