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Topic: Will Nintendo Always Be Playing Catch-Up to Other Companies?

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141. Posted:

tendoboy1984 wrote:

YellowChocobo wrote:

tendoboy1984 wrote:

@YellowChocobo

I love how you act like you know more than practically everyone else here. Sure MS and Sony might be heading in that direction eventually, but it won't happen for a long time. And just because the platforms go digital, you still need hardware to play it on.

Look at iTunes/the App Store: you still need an iPod, iPad, iPhone to play the content you downloaded.

Or maybe you're thinking of a future where everything streams directly to your TV... It is happening on a case-by-case basis (Netflix, Hulu, Youtube). But for EVERYTHING to go completely digital (whether streaming or download), you still need high bandwidth, fast broadband speed, a global network infrastructure, no data caps, etc.

What makes you think it's an act? I do this stuff day in day out and I talk to the heads of these companies. I've been to Microsoft's global conferences where it lays out its plans for the future. This is my job, so I would hope I knew more about it than anyone else here.

The problem is that someone always has to argue with me.

The point I was making, and the point which you didn't want to understand, is that both the Xbox and PlayStation brands are not going to be tied to hardware in the future. They're going to be cloud software products, much like the App Store or Amazon Kindle is now, where you buy into a service, and then access it from whatever device suits you at the time.

The days where you'll have a box sitting there in front of a TV called a PlayStation or Xbox, and the only thing it does is play games, and you can't access those games from any other device anywhere else, are numbered. Both Sony and Microsoft have come right out and said this is what happens.

I never said that's the case now. But then if you look back I was responding to your silly comment that "may as well call the Xbox a PC." That's exactly what is going to happen, and it's not a bad thing.

This doesn't have anything to do with points of view or my own personal opinion. I am repeating to you what Microsoft, Sony and Apple have all made clear as their strategies going forward.

If Microsoft and Sony want digital distribution/cloud streaming to be the future, then why don't they just join forces and make it happen? True cross-platform play is something people have been wanting since the beginning of the gaming industry. Can't Sony and Microsoft just buddy up and do that? For decades we've had competing hardware companies making consoles that won't play each others games, meaning we'd have to buy the same game for different consoles.

And iCloud is still tied with Apple's mobile devices. Apple is very restrictive on that sort of thing.

Because bringing two billion dollar companies together doesn't "just happen"? Sony and Microsoft have very different ideas in terms of they want these things to work, too. Lions and Tigers both want to eat meat too, that doesn't mean you can stick them together and expect them to just start working together.

As for iCloud, it didn't even exist until six months ago. Once again these things take time to happen. The Mac App store game later to the party too. With the Apple TV looking certain and with future developments to the iCloud network, it will become more encompasing.

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142. Posted:

YellowChocobo wrote:

Because bringing two billion dollar companies together doesn't "just happen"? Sony and Microsoft have very different ideas in terms of they want these things to work, too. Lions and Tigers both want to eat meat too, that doesn't mean you can stick them together and expect them to just start working together.

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Lions + Tigers = Ligers and/or Tigons

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143. Posted:

@YellowChocobo

Ok so explain Microsoft and Sony's ideas for their future of cloud gaming/digital distribution. Or is that confidential?

If you know so much about what Sony and Microsoft's motives are, then why are other gaming media sites posting nothing more than speculation and guesswork? No one knows what will happen in the next 10 years, it's all speculation at this point.

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144. Posted:

tendoboy1984 wrote:

@YellowChocobo

Ok so explain Microsoft and Sony's ideas for their future of cloud gaming/digital distribution. Or is that confidential?

If you know so much about what Sony and Microsoft's motives are, then why are other gaming media sites posting nothing more than speculation and guesswork? No one knows what will happen in the next 10 years, it's all speculation at this point.

The going further into becoming a mediabox isn't speculation its happening slowly. I can buy a season pass for Mad Men on my Zune player PC app and I will also have it on my xbox and windows phone.

Also The OG xbox and the 360 were based on windows kernals.

For example tomorrow the Xbox Love metro dashborad goes live (going to repost my pictures from the beta then) and the xbox is getting apps for media. Showing my mom this made her get a 4G xbox and kinect for herself as an easy to use content box. The only games she has are bejweled and the Pac-man stuff. But she's getting it for this.

On Tuesday, December 6th the latest update to the Xbox 360 dashboard will be available to consoles around the world. In addition to new and updated features, if you have Kinect you’ll be able to say it and Xbox will find it with Bing Search.

Today we also announced the following partners and apps are coming soon to Xbox 360:

US:

Dec. 6:

  • EPIX. United States
  • ESPN on Xbox LIVE (ESPN). United States
  • Hulu Plus. United States
  • Netflix. Canada, United States
  • TODAY (MSNBC). United States

Later in December:

  • Crackle (Sony Pictures). Australia, Canada, United Kingdom, United States
  • Dailymotion. Available in 32 countries globally
  • iHeartRadio (Clear Channel). United States
  • MSNBC.com. United States
  • TMZ (Warner Bros.). Canada, United States
  • UFC on Xbox LIVE (UFC). Canada, United States
  • Verizon FiOS TV. United States
  • VEVO. Canada, Ireland, United Kingdom, United States
  • Vudu (Wal-Mart). United States
  • YouTube. Available in 24 countries globally

Early 2012:

  • CinemaNow (Best Buy). United States
  • HBO GO (HBO). United States
  • MLB.TV (MLB Advanced Media). Australia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Columbia, Czech Republic, France, Germany, India, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Korea, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Poland, Russia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, United Kingdom, United States
  • Xfinity On Demand (Comcast). United States

Canada:

Dec. 6:

  • Netflix. Canada, United States

Later in December:

  • Astral Media’s Disney XD (Astral Media). Canada
  • Crackle (Sony Pictures). Australia, Canada, United Kingdom, United States
  • Dailymotion. Available in 32 countries globally
  • MSN. Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Mexico, United Kingdom
  • Real Sports (Maple Leaf Sports). Canada
  • Rogers On Demand Online (Rogers Media). Canada
  • TMZ (Warner Bros.). Canada, United States
  • UFC on Xbox LIVE (UFC). Canada, United States
  • YouTube. Available in 24 countries globally

Early 2012:

  • MLB.TV (MLB Advanced Media). Australia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Columbia, Czech Republic, France, Germany, India, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Korea, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Poland, Russia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, United Kingdom, United States

UK:

Dec. 6:

  • LOVEFiLM. United Kingdom

Later in December:

  • 4 on Demand (C4). United Kingdom
  • AlloCiné. France (AlloCiné), Germany (Filmstarts), Spain (Sensacine), United Kingdom (Screenrush)
  • blinkbox (Blinkbox). United Kingdom
  • Crackle (Sony Pictures). Australia, Canada, United Kingdom, United States
  • Dailymotion. Available in 32 countries globally
  • Demand 5 (Five). United Kingdom
  • MSN. Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Mexico, United Kingdom
  • MUZU.TV. Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom
  • ninemsn. Australia
  • VEVO. Canada, Ireland, United Kingdom, United States
  • YouTube. Available in 24 countries globally

Early 2012:

  • BBC (BBC). United Kingdom
  • MLB.TV (MLB Advanced Media). Australia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Columbia, Czech Republic, France, Germany, India, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Korea, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Poland, Russia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, United Kingdom, United States
  • Telenovelas/Sports (Televisa). Brazil, Chile, Colombia, France, Italy, Mexico, Spain, United Kingdom

All that made her choose and Xbox Over the other two. She doesn't feel bad for paying for Live becuase it allows her to use a number of services that she enjoys. She only uses the controller for Pacman/bejeweled now. Anything else she uses a combination of Voice controls and motion. That's where the future of TV and input is going. Telling your TV to play something or flicking thru netflix is a more natural experience than using a controller.

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145. Posted:

tendoboy1984 wrote:

@YellowChocobo

Ok so explain Microsoft and Sony's ideas for their future of cloud gaming/digital distribution. Or is that confidential?

If you know so much about what Sony and Microsoft's motives are, then why are other gaming media sites posting nothing more than speculation and guesswork? No one knows what will happen in the next 10 years, it's all speculation at this point.

Microsoft is mostly a corporate business company. Its entertainment division is a relatively small part of its pie. Sony is mostly an entertainment company. Microsoft doesn't make much hardware, Sony has a substantial hardware R & D department.

I could go on and on, but really, go and do your own research. The differences between the two companies is massive and very obvious. These differences mean they'll never unify their cloud strategies.

As to your second point - 99% of games journalists are not trained business writers. You wouldn't ask them to write for a medical science publication, and if you're getting your business news from them then you're doing it wrong. There is very little correlation between games press and commerce press.

Secondly, it is most definately not "just" speculation what will happen to these companies in 10 years. Every major corporation in the world has plans that extend out for 5 years, and then less definite plans for 10 years. Microsoft has been working on its cloud stuff for years already. I was at a conference a couple of years ago when Steve Ballmer himself said quite simply "if you're not in the cloud, we're not the company for you."

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