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luisesteban

PokeTune wrote:

LzQuacker wrote:

Sorry, but this is around the fifth thread this past month asking this question.

Perhaps there's a reason for that.

Yes...that you didn't read the previos 4.

luisesteban

LzWinky

PokeTune wrote:

Now, I know that these previous weeks have been full of doom and gloom for Nintendo (rightfully earned imo).

Rewind two years ago when the 3DS was released! Slow sales and no games led to articles stating how Nintendo should pull out of the race and how they will go bankrupt. Fast forward two years later: those writers ate their words as the 3DS exploded in sales and games. Now we're back at square one with the Wii U.

But I suppose they "rightfully earned" that gloom and doom like you said

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NinChocolate

No. No one comes back from Doooomed........ ...unless you're name is Wii freakin awesome U!! Blim blam!

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skywake

PokeTune wrote:

You do hold a good argument but I believe the only real reason that NSMBW sold so well was due to the Wii,s massive userbase and not so much the game itself. Look at NSMBU. It's sales are nowhere near NSMBW.

New SMB Wii: 27Mill, Wii install base: 99Mill
New SMB U: 1.8Mill, Wii U install base 3Mill

I don't know what your point is but whatever it is it doesn't make much sense. If the New SMB series was only selling well on the Wii because of its install base it wouldn't have sold 27Mill and it wouldn't have almost sold 2Mill on the Wii U. New SMB Wii is the tenth best selling game of all time. If you counted "New Super Mario Bros" as a franchise in itself it would have sold ~64Mill which, looking at Wikipedia, would put it above Resident Evil, Halo, Lego, Guitar Hero, Assassin's Creed and just bellow Zelda. So to say "the game itself" had nothing to do with the sales is just a tad ridiculous

As for your OP you ignore the main things about the Gamecube's relatively poor sales. It was running against the PS2 at the time which remains the best selling console of all time. That combined with their first party games attempts to experiment which didn't translate into sales very well. It also didn't do DVDs in a time when that was the only thing getting the PS2 into homes to start with. Even then solid first party support has always been the selling point of their consoles even during the Gamecube era.

The biggest problem with the Wii U right now is that there isn't enough novel first party content for people to buy into it. Their second problem is that people don't really understand how the gamepad works or why they would want it. If they had something like Mario 64 or Wii Sports at launch I'm fairly sure these threads wouldn't exist.

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Ganondwarf

Stop comparing the wii u sales to 3ds sales I love the wii u as much as the next guy but I'm not all so blinded and silly like you guys the wii u is on a different level then the 3ds the 3ds has no competition nothing don't try tell me mobile games are competition because they're really not, Wii u sales will pickup but I'm sick of silly people comparing it to 3ds it ain't gonna happen for the wii u like it did for the 3ds as I said the wii u is on a whole other level with ps4 and xbox 720 coming soon the competition is just going to get fiercer and fiercer I love nintendo but lets just wait and see because way to many people get to ...

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LzWinky

I made the comparison not only to show that the Wii U can rebound like the 3DS did (though perhaps less so), but also to point out how premature many of these dismissals are. How about I compare it to the PS3's sales?

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Midnight3DS

LzQuacker wrote:

I made the comparison not only to show that the Wii U can rebound like the 3DS did (though perhaps less so), but also to point out how premature many of these dismissals are. How about I compare it to the PS3's sales?

You could compare it to PS3's sales, but the difference isn't that much, and the PS3 was initially around double the cost of Wii-U. Then we can go on and on about economics, and go deeper down the speculative rabbit hole.

Folks, why do we turn all this into the equivelant of a presidential election. Yeah, I joke around in good fun on the 'console war', but I personally hope all the consoles can thrive. There's going to be something for everyone to enjoy.

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brooks83

Sales will pick up, but it will probably be Gamecube level total sales. You never know though, I guess, Nintendo may have some surprises in store that make the Wii U a must have item like the Wii.

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PokeTune

brooks83 wrote:

Sales will pick up, but it will probably be Gamecube level total sales. You never know though, I guess, Nintendo may have some surprises in store that make the Wii U a must have item like the Wii.

GCN level sales? Man, I' m considered the negative nancy and even I think it should be able to sell at least 10 million more lifetime sales.

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kkslider5552000

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brooks83 wrote:

Sales will pick up, but it will probably be Gamecube level total sales. You never know though, I guess, Nintendo may have some surprises in store that make the Wii U a must have item like the Wii.

GCN level sales? Man, I' m considered the negative nancy and even I think it should be able to sell at least 10 million more lifetime sales.

well GCN level considering increased gaming interest as a whole

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

PokeTune wrote:

brooks83 wrote:

Sales will pick up, but it will probably be Gamecube level total sales. You never know though, I guess, Nintendo may have some surprises in store that make the Wii U a must have item like the Wii.

GCN level sales? Man, I' m considered the negative nancy and even I think it should be able to sell at least 10 million more lifetime sales.

well GCN level considering increased gaming interest as a whole

Oh, alright then.

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SCRAPPER392

It will pick up. I don't think recover is the right word, though... It hasn't even had a chance to do anything yet, really. The OS is still improving, and almost none of the games most bought it for(Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros., Pikmin, etc.) have come out yet. We just barely got release dates for some big titles, and news that Nintendo is collaborating with Sega is literally 2 days old.
I think the game lineup and plans for the console they have are good. The problem for many is that the actual software isn't out. They're making promises to make their console a great platform for lots of content for anyone.
Really, I think by the time PS4 comes out, Nintendo will have everything worked out.

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SCAR392 wrote:

It will pick up. I don't think recover is the right word, though... It hasn't even had a chance to do anything yet, really. The OS is still improving, and almost none of the games most bought it for(Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros., Pikmin, etc.) have come out yet. We just barely got release dates for some big titles, and news that Nintendo is collaborating with Sega is literally 2 days old.
I think the game lineup and plans for the console they have are good. The problem for many is that the actual software isn't out. Their making promises to make their console a great platform for lots of content for anyone.
Really, I think by the time PS4 comes out, Nintendo will have everything worked out.

They can make promises all they want but can they actually deliver them? So far Iwata has made numerous problems that have not or haven't been upheld(not botching the console launch after the 3DS launch, getting 3rd parties onboard,)

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SCRAPPER392

PokeTune wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

It will pick up. I don't think recover is the right word, though... It hasn't even had a chance to do anything yet, really. The OS is still improving, and almost none of the games most bought it for(Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros., Pikmin, etc.) have come out yet. We just barely got release dates for some big titles, and news that Nintendo is collaborating with Sega is literally 2 days old.
I think the game lineup and plans for the console they have are good. The problem for many is that the actual software isn't out. Their making promises to make their console a great platform for lots of content for anyone.
Really, I think by the time PS4 comes out, Nintendo will have everything worked out.

They can make promises all they want but can they actually deliver them? So far Iwata has made numerous problems that have not or haven't been upheld(not botching the console launch after the 3DS launch, getting 3rd parties onboard,)

Yes. They can keep the promises, otherwise they wouldn't make them. They are working with 3rd parties. Platinum, Sega, WB, and Capcom are pretty big developer friends of Nintendo right now.
I mean, Nintendo has sought out these companies specifically, but they can't force every 3rd party to develop for the console.
All they can do is make the platform look like a good place to sell good games. When the console picks up sales to say, 10,000,000 or more owners of the console, and they are genuinely interested in what Wii U can offer for their living room or whatever, the software rate will definitely go up for Wii U. That install base is pretty good in the first year, IMO.
Also, being at Best Buy with E3 demos will attract people who already knew about the demos to go to Best Buy, but there are tons of people that will most likely go to Best Buy not knowing about Wii U(E3 demos), and possibly buy one the day of the E3 demo showcase just from seeing the demos. Word of mouth will spread, systems will sell, then just overload the eShop and Nintendo will be fine.
They just need to make sure people know that the Best Buy event is a promotional thing, give release dates for said games on display, and tell people about the overall features of the console. Also, possibly hand out socks like they did for Wii Fit...

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PokeTune

SCAR392 wrote:

PokeTune wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

It will pick up. I don't think recover is the right word, though... It hasn't even had a chance to do anything yet, really. The OS is still improving, and almost none of the games most bought it for(Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros., Pikmin, etc.) have come out yet. We just barely got release dates for some big titles, and news that Nintendo is collaborating with Sega is literally 2 days old.
I think the game lineup and plans for the console they have are good. The problem for many is that the actual software isn't out. Their making promises to make their console a great platform for lots of content for anyone.
Really, I think by the time PS4 comes out, Nintendo will have everything worked out.

They can make promises all they want but can they actually deliver them? So far Iwata has made numerous problems that have not or haven't been upheld(not botching the console launch after the 3DS launch, getting 3rd parties onboard,)

Yes. They can keep the promises, otherwise they wouldn't make them. They are working with 3rd parties. Platinum, Sega, WB, and Capcom are pretty big developer friends of Nintendo right now.
I mean, Nintendo has sought out these companies specifically, but they can't force every 3rd party to develop for the console.
All they can do is make the platform look like a good place to sell good games. When the console picks up sales to say, 10,000,000 or more owners of the console, and they are genuinely interested in what Wii U can offer for their living room or whatever, the software rate will definitely go up for Wii U. That install base is pretty good in the first year, IMO.
Also, being at Best Buy with E3 demos will attract people who already knew about the demos to go to Best Buy, but there are tons of people that will most likely go to Best Buy not knowing about Wii U, and possibly buy one the day of the E3 demo showcase just from seeing the demos.
They just need to make sure people know that the Best Buy event is a promotional thing, give release dates for said games on display, and tell people about the overall features of the console. Also, possibly hand out socks like they did for Wii Fit...

Well, hopefully everything straightens itself out in the upcoming months. BTW just because I say that the Wii U is not doing well doesn't mean I want the destruction of Nintendo like some people are suggesting(this comment isn't necessarily meant towards you SCAR392)

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DylanMcGrann

Part of me hopes the Wii U does do as well (or poorly) as the GameCube, which was not quite the "failure" many think it is. Nintendo actually made profit with the GameCube thanks to not selling the system at a large loss (and eventually no loss at all) and having a tremendously high software attach rate. (By the way, the Wii had a pretty bad attach rate, which is actually a bad sign for the Wii U as it suggests that most consumers of the Wii weren't actually all that interested in the console or most of the games Nintendo released.) As a whole, I feel the Wii library is significantly less challenging to play than any other Nintendo console, and I don't like that at all. It seems like Nintendo dumbed down the majority of the Wii games in the hopes that "casuals" would pick it up, enjoy it, and maybe even become gamers. If Nintendo loses any hope of accomplishing that, they will cater more directly to their long time fans and other more "hardcore" type gamers. I'm to the point where if I hear the next Zelda game is as easy as the last two, I won't even buy it, which makes me sad because I love Zelda games.

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SCRAPPER392

I don't really think casual(easy) games are their priority anymore. People can still play their Wii games on Wii U, and the overall scope is different this time around. HD game content in itself was considered 'core', and now Nintendo has that. I think the console will be for core gamers that like a challenge, but still be more accessible to casual gamers.
The audiences are mixed in other words, so now they have to appeal to both.

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Snagrio

/enters room
Hey, what are ya guys talking about?
/sees it is yet another Wii U gloom and doom topic
That's it, I'm gone.
/exits while slamming the door shut

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