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Topic: WII U's concept potential hasnt been met (yet), and that makes me sad.

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iKhan

All of that "potential" is just ideas for any touch interface. And those sort of ideas are pushing 12 years old now.

It makes no sense to jack the price of a console up $50-100 so that you can do something with it that the DS, 3DS, iPhone, iPad, and Computer can do.

The reason the Wii succeeded, and still has potential to succeed, is that it still has plenty of NOVEL ideas available.

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Donnie

rockodoodle wrote:

It is if you have a family..... Or a GF/Wife.....

For sure. It's easy for people to say off tv isn't a big deal, and it's fair to say it isn't if you don't need it. With a partner who wants to watch the tv every evening, a kid who comes in form school and wants to use his free time to play games on the wii u himself, and being busy during the day, it's a godsend. It allows me to play console games where I really just had the 3DS & Vita on hand before.

More so with the OP's point, I guess Wii U fulfilling it's potential depends on what you think the concept is. I'm pretty sure Nintendo state at this time the concept was to allow people to play while other suse the TV. IMO, that concept is fulfilled. Whether that's really their original intention with the device, I don't know. Off TV successed, parity in control schemes to allow similar strengths to the DS/3DS is achieved but unique and bespoke gameplay experiences has been scarce at times, very successful at others.

For me, the Wii U was to be a great nintendo system with great games, and to let me play that at times I normally wouldn't be able to. I think that's a plenty fine reason to pay $50-100 more, to riff off what Khan states above, and imo the Wii U was never very expensive past launch anyway. It's always been on sale or had price cuts from the word go.

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skywake

On the topic of off-TV play it's also useful when watching sports. Maybe I want to have the footy/cricket on but want to do something during slow periods. Breaks for tea, halftime or so on. Or just cricket in general because Cricket. Cricket in particular I want to keep an eye on the game and not miss anything but I don't need to give it my full attention. That's what replays are for!

I use my tablet devices in the same way. I use my 3DS in the same way. Hell, I barely play my 3DS outside of the house! I kinda wish the Wii U could show you stats of what % of playtimes you do off-TV. I bet for me it would be more time spent off-TV for pretty much every game except for those that don't support it.

DJaa wrote:

(Edit: for those who dont entirely get what I mean, think of how metroid prime hunters and kid icarus uprising used the touchscreen to move it sorta like a mouse cursor)

The Wii U has a second analogue stick. This sort of use isn't necessary

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Therad

I am disappointed that it hasn't gotten more strategy games. Here they have input that can replace a mouse (at least partially) and almost no games supporting the touch screen. It sure is a waste. It seems developers are stuck in "consoles-only-have-buttons-and-sticks!"-mode

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DJaa

skywake wrote:

On the topic of off-TV play it's also useful when watching sports. Maybe I want to have the footy/cricket on but want to do something during slow periods. Breaks for tea, halftime or so on. Or just cricket in general because Cricket. Cricket in particular I want to keep an eye on the game and not miss anything but I don't need to give it my full attention. That's what replays are for!

I use my tablet devices in the same way. I use my 3DS in the same way. Hell, I barely play my 3DS outside of the house! I kinda wish the Wii U could show you stats of what % of playtimes you do off-TV. I bet for me it would be more time spent off-TV for pretty much every game except for those that don't support it.

DJaa wrote:

(Edit: for those who dont entirely get what I mean, think of how metroid prime hunters and kid icarus uprising used the touchscreen to move it sorta like a mouse cursor)

The Wii U has a second analogue stick. This sort of use isn't necessary

It is for genres that require a cursor like RTS games or point and click adventures. If you understand exactly what I mean you'd probably agree. But it has always been hard for me to explain strangely enough. Ive been a pc gamer since the 90's and they are genres that dont work on consoles, untill wii u came and I saw the potential. 0 games utilized it in that way. Not even games that would be perfect for them like pikmin 3. I hate it when games that require precision touchscreen controls require you to look at the gamepad screen through the whole game like Kirby and the rainbow curse. In the case of that game it was probably going to be really hard to make it possible to utilize the gamepad in a way you could play it on your tv screen. But there could have been potential possibilities if the idea crossed their mind at least. Its funny because the wii remote was pretty much synonomous to a cursor on screen, yet when a game would work well in that way, we got a mirrored image on the gamepad that had you forced to look at the gamepad while the beautiful HD image was being displayed on the tv.

I really think the WII U could have shined a lot better if it was utilized better. Now if it gets replaced soon it is going to be the console of wasted potential and opportunities. Well unless like someone else said in the thread, the next controller is going to have a screen too. Well I doubt it honestly. WII U costs as much as it does because of the screen in the first place. Now imagine if the NX was a console more powerful than the WII U, and then with a expensive controller again, that wouldnt make the next console any cheaper. And since nintendo likes their profits high, it makes that even less likely

DJaa

SCRAPPER392

Ya. Off-TV play only matters most, when someone else is there, like my bro plays on the GamePad, while I play on the Xbox. Otherwise, the games on Wii U just aren't justified, IMO, without being on an HDTV.
I don't even mind playing in stereo, really, especially if most of the indie games and Smash Bros. are already in stereo.

You just aren't going to beat the console experience, and that's where people didn't realize that Wii U does 5.1 PCM, runs 1080p(upscaled properly), runs a social network, etc. Last time I checked, most of the games on Xbox One are "last-gen", so why bother saying Wii U isn't doing anything better than what Xbox or PS is doing, regardless of sales?

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skywake

@DJaa
Your examples were Metroid Prime and Kid Icarus. Those games only used the touchscreen because an analogue stick wasn't available. They worked fine without it but if it was available it would have been better. For Pikmin 3, even before they added touch controls, I didn't have an issue. I thought the way you could move characters around on the map was amazing. I always played with the GamePad and didn't really think it was underused.

Honestly.... I don't think I agree with your arguments here. Could they have pushed touch controls into everything? Probably. Should they have? I don't think so.

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DJaa

skywake wrote:

@DJaa
Your examples were Metroid Prime and Kid Icarus. Those games only used the touchscreen because an analogue stick wasn't available. They worked fine without it but if it was available it would have been better. For Pikmin 3, even before they added touch controls, I didn't have an issue. I thought the way you could move characters around on the map was amazing. I always played with the GamePad and didn't really think it was underused.

Honestly.... I don't think I agree with your arguments here. Could they have pushed touch controls into everything? Probably. Should they have? I don't think so.

Sadly you are missing the point, but ill fault myself for that

DJaa

skywake

@DJaa:
I get that there are genres that don't work well on consoles traditionally. I'd agree with your point about strategy games and so on. But none of the games on the Wii U have used the GamePad poorly. They've all used it well for the games that they were. Pikmin 3 in particular I really, really liked the way it used the GamePad for multi-tasking.

And I'm not sorry if I sound a bit blunt when I say that games like Metroid Prime and Kid Icarus were not better with touch controls. I'm a huge fan of touch controls. Kid Icarus Uprising is one of my favourite games on the 3DS and I loved the DS Zeldas. All I'm saying here is that touch controls shouldn't be used when there are better options. On the 3DS and DS there weren't better options, on the Wii U there are.

Edited on by skywake

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DJaa

I didnt mean that kid icarus or metroid prime hunters were good examples of touch controls being the best option, I meant them as examples that touch controls can be used well as controlling a cursor on another screen. In the case of those 2 examples, the touchscreen controlling a cursor on the top screen.

There are many reasons why controlling a cursor with a touch pad can be better than the analogue for accuracy reasons. For example it is much easier to control a high sensitivity cursor with touchpad controls in comparison to analogue, where the sensitivity is harder to gauge. This is much better for games that could have worked well with a cursor similar to many wii games using the wii remote.

Pikmin 3 did controls nice, but when they added the touch controls in the last update it felt like a missed opportunity. If you play pikmin 3 with the added touch controls, you will notice that the touch is registered where it is touched, which doesnt work too accuratly when wanting to play on the tv screen with that method while using those controls. If you had a moving cursor like controls, in the case of pikmin 3 the cursor would be the oval line you move for throwing pikmin, it would be a more pleasant experience because at all times you know where the cursor is left. My point in the case of pikmin 3 is that the gamepad could have emulated its best controls(the wii remote one) well if the option was considered.

When I bought the indie game tengami I was really upset with the fact the touch controls required me to look at the gamepad screen. I stopped buying games where I saw this missed opportunity happen.

Edit: Another game was child of light, where you controlled this ball thing. Doing it with the analogue was alright, but I felt the wii u gamepad could have set itself apart as the best version if it used the gamepad in that way. Also in this game using the touch screen controls required you to look at the gamepad at all times.

Edited on by DJaa

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