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Topic: Wii U will have Radeon Graphics by AMD

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mushroomer

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"Last week, AMD said that it won the deal to supply Radeon graphics chips to Nintendo for its new Wii U console coming next year." -(posted June 15, 2011)
quoted from source below. (last paragraph)
http://venturebeat.com/2011/06/14/amd-hopes-to-change-laptop-...

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RoyalBlur

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WOAH! That's nice. The laptops we own have AMD.

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komicturtle

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Cool.

I suppose.

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I wish I knew what that meant...

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HolyMackerel

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It means that the Wii U will have a dedicated chip just for graphics, one that is made by a well-known graphics hardware developer. This means it will have much better graphics capabilities than the Wii and will most likely be easier to develop games for. This is a good thing. :)

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Lan

6. Posted:

good. i've always preferred ati over nvidea

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Thanks for the explanation HolyMackerel!

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GuardianAcorn wrote:

good. i've always preferred ati over nvidea

Ditto.

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kevohki wrote:

GuardianAcorn wrote:

good. i've always preferred ati over nvidea

Ditto.

...I like NVidia...:( lol

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BellGoRiiing wrote:

kevohki wrote:

GuardianAcorn wrote:

good. i've always preferred ati over nvidea

Ditto.

...I like NVidia...:( lol

Ditto.

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Platypus

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Hopefully it also means the Wii U can compete graphically with the other next gen consoles.

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komicturtle

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Nvidia, AMD... They do their job. It's just nice that the console will be using a reletively latest graphics chip (considering this particular chip is supposed to be released later this year and to be used on "an upcoming console in 2012" which I read weeks ago).

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Burny

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I hope nobody gets the idea, that the chips described the article have anything to do with the WiiU. Only the very last sentence mentions that AMD will supply the WiiU's GPU and that sentence is completely out of the article's context, which is: AMD is selling a new range of CPUs with integrated GPUs which will be used in Laptops.

The actual press release that AMD issued during E3 reads like this:

AMD and Nintendo Join Forces in Creating a New Way to Enjoy Console Gaming Entertainment

AMD's Custom HD Graphics Processor Enables Immersive HD Multimedia Gaming Entertainment for Nintendo's New Wii U(TM) Console--

LOS ANGELES, CA, Jun 07, 2011 (MARKETWIRE via COMTEX)

Today at E3, AMD (NYSE: AMD) announced its support for Nintendo's newly-announced Wii U(TM) system, as a new way to enjoy HD console gaming entertainment. The custom AMD Radeon(TM) HD GPU reflects the best characteristics of AMD's graphics technology solutions: high-definition graphics support; rich multimedia acceleration and playback; and multiple display support. As an industry leader, AMD has supplied the game console market with graphics expertise and ongoing support for more than 10 years.

"We greatly value our synergistic relationship with the AMD design team. The AMD custom graphics processor delivers the best of AMD's world-class graphics expertise. AMD will support our vision of innovating play through unique entertainment experiences," said Genyo Takeda, senior managing director, Integrated Research & Development of Nintendo Co. Ltd.

"AMD shares Nintendo's excitement for the new HD entertainment experience planned for the Wii U console," said David Wang, corporate vice president of Silicon Engineering, AMD. "We're proud to provide our leading-edge HD multimedia graphics engine to power the new entertainment features of the console. Nintendo is a highly-valued customer and we look forward to the launch in 2012."

AMD custom graphics enable the new Nintendo system to provide exciting, immersive game play and interaction for consumers around the world. The AMD custom graphics processor features a modern and rich graphics processing core, allowing the new console to shine with new graphics capabilities.

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And even that says nothing more than: "AMD supplies Nintendo with a custom Radeon HD GPU which supports multiple displays and HD-output (small wonder with the WiiU)". A "custom" chip means, it's not a chip you'd find in a graphics card you can buy for the PC. It also means it could be anything, from weaker than the PS360's GPUs to substantially stronger. That's something very different from the chips the OP's article describe.

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WaveBoy

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So lets get this straight, is the Wii U more powerful than the PS3 and 360? Then again, I'm guessing nobody really knows yet at this point. But it should be no suprise that it will...Or should be, even if by a smidge. Personally I'm kind of fine with that. I'm not a graphics whore by anymeans. Because Nintendo knows how to craft some truly beautiful and artistic games with the power that they're given.

Take a look at Super Mario Galaxy 2 for example....Imagine how crazy the next mario platformer will look with the power of the PS3/360 running in 1080p graphics. :o

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Burny

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WaveBoy wrote:

So lets get this straight, is the Wii U more powerful than the PS3 and 360? Then again, I'm guessing nobody really knows yet at this point. But it should be no suprise that it will...Or should be, even if by a smidge. Personally I'm kind of fine with that. I'm not a graphics whore by anymeans. Because Nintendo knows how to craft some truly beautiful and artistic games with the power that they're given.

As you said: Nobody outside of Nintendo, AMD and IBM really knows. Reports from devs that it's equal, slightly less or slightly more powerful than the the other consoles seem to stem from "underclocked" dev kits. But it is not clear if newer dev kits and the final console will actually be more powerful.

It's still very important if Nintendo wants to get 3rd parties back. They aren't likely to be enthusiastic about supporting the WiiU, if they have to bend backwards in order to get at the current visual level they have on other platforms.

And that's the thing:

WaveBoy wrote:

Take a look at Super Mario Galaxy 2 for example....Imagine how crazy the next mario platformer will look with the power of the PS3/360 running in 1080p graphics. :o

Mario games have comparatively simple geometry. They might run well in 1080p on the WiiU while offering a notable leap in visuals over their predecessors. But less stylized games like Zelda and pretty much every other 3rd party game will be rendered in 720p at best, if the WiiU really is not significantly more powerful than the PS3 or 360. Not that I or the average Joe gamer could make out the difference on a TV (not a wall-sized one) some 2-3 meters away. :p I'd really prefer the games running at 60fps, but even that's very doubtful then.

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WaveBoy

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60fps should be the standard next gen. And it would be a shame if Nintendo opted for 720p games....I plan on getting a Samsung or Panasonic 2012 50" 1080p 3D plasma next year a couple of months before the Wii U Launches and I'd be sitting around 9 1/2 feet away as my viewing distance...Yet I'm pretty sure at that distance the difference between 720p and 1080p would be impossible to notice. BUT, when you upscale a 720p Wii U title for example into 1080p i'm guessing you could notice a drop in quality, then again I'm not too sure. can somebody answer this for me? :p

That way, I wouldn't give a damn if Nintendo stuck to 720p for their titles IF you couldn't tell the difference at that distance and on that size of a tv.

Anyways, it would be totaly odd ballish if the Wii U was a bit underpowered than the PS3/360...I feel that Nintendo needs to up their game even more in the graphcis department as well all do, otherwise we'll be seeing big PS4/720 titles getting shafted on the Wii U because it's underpowered once again...

But based on that Wii U Bird Demo where Reggie confirmed in an interview with GT TV where he said it was rendered in real time and was made using a very EARLY dev-kit is pretty damn impressive. The fish jumping out of the water at the end looked aboslutely incredible....The PS3/360 aren't even capable of dishing out that kind of stuff. The water effects and animations especially were pretty amazing, along with the bird itself.
And considering that's from an early dev kit, i'm not too worried in the slightest.....And in months to come i bet people will be pissing their Nes panties once we start seeing the NEXT Wii U Mario, Zelda and Metroid for the first time. :D

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komicturtle

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Well, if you want 60fps, then count on Sakurai's next Smash Bros. :P

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WaveBoy

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No kidding. :p Then again, here's hoping he'll beable to pull off the 3D effect with 60fps.
Street Fighter IV couldn't do it....

But ya, if anybody has actually taken a second look at that Bird Demo for the Wii U during e3 on YouTube which is in REAL time and apperantly was done one an early dev kit which has been mentioned by Reggie than you'd realise that the Wii U in that early state even blows away the PS3 in terms of graphical power, and it should...Take a look at how amazing the bird animation was, and especially the fish looming and jumping out of the water. Sorry, the PS3 is NOT capable of that kind of stuff regarding real time graphics.

But we all know that the PS4 will blow the Wii U away in terms of graphics....but honestly, i just don't care anymore. Graphics will have reached a mute point with the PS4 for the most part, where the difference between reality and gaming will most likely be minor. I dont think it takes talent(or the special type) to create realistic graphics....Creatiing an imaginitive game that boasts insane art direction and creating wonderful dreamy worlds, and iconic quirky fantastic characters TAKES talent. ;)

The movie Coraline is the perfect example. now THAT takes talent....The OTHERrverse was just magical and the character design is flat out brilliant. All I'm saying is, realism doesn't take that same type of talent.....There's zero imagination in realism, Miyamoto on the other hand is a creative genious. It was the imagination, surrealism and crazy ideas from Nintendo that brought the gaming industry back from the dead and of course the brilliant and incredibly fun gameplay....No, it was not some boring realistic army game with next to no color with guns and violence....Oh wait, we got the awesome contra! But Contra was colorful, light hearted, had killer rockin tunes, over the top Arcade-like action, no nasty violence, had evil aliens and was balls to the wall fun. :p

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