Which is why they won't go over $300.

I'm getting it day one regardless but i still don't think the tablet is all that innovative l. the ghost recon demo has me excited. but beyond that's the concept can and has been achieved with the ipad and airplay.

but this is what i don't get: y'all say things like 'nintendos next gen is everyone else's current gen' then add: 'Wii U is still going to be more powerful than the PS3'.

now i realise i am only a female, but i'd damn well hope nintendo's next gen is more powerful than the PS3 which is current gen.

I was mostly joking around as that's the popular troll attempt on the gameosphere.

I dont think Nintendo would release the Wii U if it wasnt more powerful than the current HD systems whats the point? Then Microsoft and Sony would release a system even more powerful. If thats even possible.... isnt the xbox and the ps3 already at 1080p the highest graphics quality possible today?

Well I woudn't say most powerful graphics quality possible today. More like most powerful while being relatively affordable today.

Ohh I see want to add me on 3ds?

the ps3 and xbox are only 720 and not that powerful. go watch Max specs 1080p Pc battlefield 3.

Oh crap, that's a horrible response. Have you ever took a business class and studied pricing strategies? Ever heard of "early adopters" and "premium pricing"? As for disagreeing with me that is fine but you better back it up with something other than a weak response like that.

The logic for new console owners are bit different. If this was the phone or computer market i would agree. the console market has shown that the premium price factor doesn't work for the non enthusiast sector. for a bit cheaper one can get a console of comparable power and richer Eco system than the wii u. not only that but i have a bigger fatally of games and still running pretty much the same game as the current systems.

that's honesty an even bigger problem for the wii u in the market.

Dude, 1080p is practically useless unless you like being smack dab in front of your TV to even notice the benifits. But that's definitly ideal for PC gamers. To even see 1080p on a 42" 1080p HDTV for example, you have to be sitting at 5.5 feet eye distance wise to see the extra detail that a 1080p game has to offer and that too mee is a bit too close and would completely shrink down your living room size.

I sit at about 9 feet away from my 42"(8.2 feet they say is optimal for 720p on a 42")so the benifits of 1080p aren't there. But that's fine, considering NIntendo will probably opt for 720p for most of their Wii U titles anyways. Bump it up to a 1080p '50"' HDTV however and you have to be sitting 6.5 feet away eye distance wise to see that extra 1080p detail...Again too close for my comfort.

But for PC gamers, i guess it's 1080p all the way because a lot of them have their faces shoved right in the screen anyways.

If anyone sits 6 feet away from their PC they either have really long arms or a really long... everything else.

LOL. Well, alot of them have their PC set up like a console. They chill back on the couch, and use their keyboard mouse setup on their coffee table while sitting around 6 feet or whatever distance from their HDTV.

Whether this machine is $250 or $350 I just don't think parents are going to be in a hurry to buy this for their kids this year. Why? Well, a ton of PS3's and 360's have been sold just this past Christmas alone. Are parents going to be excited about buying another system? I don't think so, especially in a weak economy. Who do I think is going to buy this at first? Early adopters and huge Nintendo fans and they will most likely pay a premium up front. Despite what anyone thinks about the system "next gen" capabilities, Nintendo has spent alot of money in R&D and when it's first released is a great time to capture some return on that investment. Do what they did with the 3DS and take advantage of those early adopters and then slash the price after that first wave is over. Throw in some free downloadable games and give them some special title like "Nintendo Mack Daddy's" to appease them and everything will be fine for those who paid the higher price. I think they will leave a lot of the money on the table if they sell the Wii U similar to the current prices of the PS3 and 360.

If the Wii U has a worthwhile title like Wii Sports on Wii, it will sell better than without it.

its really not money on the table when your selling at a loss. you could easily have used that argument for the 3ds but that thing sold like crap until the non hardcorr fans started buying it.

the biggest issue the wii u faces is being able to outshine the other two. the most important year for a new fondle is the 2nd where the banes start to look better than what was already possible. Lon k at the 360 launch. it didn't really start moving units until year two and gears hit looking better than the previous systems and what the ps2 and wii had.

The wii u doesn't have that luxary when whatever they show will be not as good looking as Halo 4 or the last of us. then the year for the wii to shine next year the 720 is going to hit and the advantage of having better looking third party support is gone as its been confrimed that most big third parties already have the rough dev kits for the 720.

It will be very interesting to find out what the Wii U's initial sell price will be as well as the amount of profit/loss per console. I would be shocked if Nintendo sells their console for a high loss though. I don't think Nintendo is like Sony with the strategy of sell for a loss and then try to make it up in volume.

I think the Wii U will standout compared to the other 2 consoles and I guess I disagree with you in the way that the Wii U will have launch games that can compete with the upcoming Halo 4's of the world. Nintendo and their games (opposed to thrid party games for Nintendo systems) have never been about realism whereas Playstation and Xbox games are more so. I think Nintendo's style will be unique and fresh (and long overdue) and with the tablet offering a new way to play both first-party and possibly third-party games should have no problem standing out. I see once/if there is a Xbox 720 and PS4 that those will have a more difficult time standing out than the Wii U.

I'm talking more in terms of perception. beyond the retro product its impossible for nintendo to show anything close graphicly to the last of us or halo 4. and nintendis style isn't that fresh. their are a ton of good looking cartooniah games, just mist are on download platforms instead of retail.

Again, you are talking about the graphics looking more realistic. Nintendo's style, as you have referred to as "cartoonish" can be more aestheticly pleasing to me and therfore more impressive, probably others as well, than either the realism of The Last of US and Halo 4.

Pikmin in HD would sell me on a $300 system, just saying.