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Peach64

81. Posted:

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So a lot of people flamed me for belittling this 800% increase, but we've now had 2 charts since, with Nintendo land nowhere near either of them. A big deal has been made of Fuse hitting number 37, only selling 'a couple of hundred' copies. That means Wii U sold no more than a couple of hundred in either of the last two weeks. So it's probably just like I said, in that Wii U buyers switched to amazon when they became the cheapest, so amazon sales increased, but overall numbers did not.

Where are you getting your numbers from? If your numbers are actually correct, then the report of Wii U sales was actually better than they were before.
If you did the math right, I wouldn't even be bringing this up.

Regardless, the Wii U still has the rest of summer and some time in fall, before it actually has to try and compete against Sony and Microsoft.

The Wii U is gonna have a bigger fan base than any other console by the end of the year. The graphics argument has no relevance. Unless everyone's Wii U explodes all at once, there's nothing that can possibly cause Nintendo to do badly this generation.

Better than before? Where do you get that? The fact they're not even appearing on the top 40 says they're completely irrelevant. And nothing that can possibly cause Nintendo to do badly? Do you realise they're getting the worst monthly sales in 3 generations? Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, N64, Playstation... none of them ever sold as poorly in one month as the Wii U has been selling. Do I think things will turn around? Yes. Do I think there's nothing to worry about... no, there's a LOT to worry about.

And who cares? Well everyone is still talking about this huge sales spike in response to articles, but it didn't even happen. I guess people don't really want to hear the truth though, they'd rather just carry on in their own little worlds where Nintendo can do no wrong.

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82. Posted:

@Peach64
You didn't even answer my question. Post a link. Don't pull the "fanboy" card. According to your previous numbers, it still did better.
Add that no other console is available right now, and any number is better than 0, which is what PS4 and Xbox One currently stand at.

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apparently the price cut happened like at least a week before the Xbox one announcement. I don't care enough to see if this is confirmed but multiple people have pointed this out so...

not a huge deal for Wii U in the long run one way or another, but still an amusing addition to the Xbox one disaster.

Also while I'm pointing out things that are probably actually true, Wii U's current failures are partially because some people are somehow surprised the new Nintendo console isn't as successful ASAP as the Wii was (and any publisher shocked by this is stupid btw), it is perfectly fitting considering how much the ball was dropped on the Wii towards the end, especially in failing to reach the once stated goal (one goal at least) to transition new gamers into more hardcore Nintendo gamers (though I could be wrong and there's a borderline unprecedented of new Nintendo fans waiting to get Wii U this holiday, I dunno).

at least this discussion isn't (entirely) about Nintendo being or not being doomed, thank god

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I'm not pulling a fan boy card, but it's really hard to take your posts seriously as you just seem to make stuff up. According to my previous figures? Which were? I said based on monthly sales figures, I thought the Wii U was selling about 150 units a day in the UK. Where are you seeing that it has gone up now? Because I see nothing to suggest it's any higher.

Are you seriously saying Nintendo should be commended for outselling two machines that aren't even out? It doesn't matter who has the biggest userbase at the end of this year, but even then there's no guarantee that Nintendo will be ahead. If sales keep on like this, then they'll have sold more consoles in a month and a half of 2012 than they will have in all of 2013 (almost half way through the year and they've sold 400k).

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85. Posted:

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@Peach64
You didn't even answer my question. Post a link.

Says Scar392, lol.

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86. Posted:

@Peach64
I see you still haven't posted a link... Anyway, according to your numbers, the Wii U did in fact sell better. You messed up in your math somewhere.
This only pertains to your last post. That's why I'm asking for a link, so I can get the data to better clarify.
Also, yes, selling units is better than selling no units at all. Nintendo already has a head start, and we haven't even seen any defining software. Nintendo is holding out until the other next gen consoles get to retail, that's why whatever consoles they sell before their competitors get out there gives them the advantage.
People jumped the gun by 1 1/2 years to behin with, so any ammount of progress is better than none. All the consoles are on the same page. The difference is, Nintendo has 400K more sales than 0.

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After E3 there is only one way the Wii U sales can go. And that my friends, is up.

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88. Posted:

Chrono_Cross wrote:

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@Peach64
You didn't even answer my question. Post a link.

Says Scar392, lol.

This info is actually able to be linked. The info I dish out is from doing research, and fitting it together in as much sense as possible. Whether you consider it or not, is a different thing.
Did you ever see that Amazon link to GDDR5 RAM I posted a while back? That backed tons of the points I made, but you guys still didn't think it was relevant.

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Peach64

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There is no link. Follow Matt Martin, Editor of GameIndustry.Biz on Twitter and look for his reaction to the Fuse chart position.

Pleeeeease enlighten me to what figures I messed up? Two weeks ago I said they were selling 150 a day. Now I say they're selling a few hundred a week. Where is this link you can see that proves Wii U is selling better than before?

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@Peach64 & @SCAR392 You two sound like a bickering couple. XD

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91. Posted:

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After E3 there is only one way the Wii U sales can go. And that my friends, is up.

Or down.

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After E3 there is only one way the Wii U sales can go. And that my friends, is up.

Or down.

Or in your face. :p

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SCAR392

93. Posted:

Peach64 wrote:

There is no link. Follow Matt Martin, Editor of GameIndustry.Biz on Twitter and look for his reaction to the Fuse chart position.

Pleeeeease enlighten me to what figures I messed up? Two weeks ago I said they were selling 150 a day. Now I say they're selling a few hundred a week. Where is this link you can see that proves Wii U is selling better than before?

No, but you messed up the numbers prior. 200 consoles a week on whatever site is obviously worse than 175 a day(that's the actual figure. you were saying 150).
My point is, is that whatever ammount of consoles they sell before their competition, is more than 0. We already know the Xbox One and PS4 sale figures without even looking at any data. It's 0.
Nintendo held back their software to stay relevant for longer time period. It's all about the timing, and good ideas along with that timing. Mario Kart U, 3D Mario, Pikmin, etc. games a can sell a potential 400K copies(if everyone buys it). As long as Nintendo sells good software for their install base, there's really no issue.

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94. Posted:

VG Charts from the week prior to the day of the OP but including most of the XBone announcement week are up. There was a trivial change in sales globally in that week compared to the week before. Wii U dropped by 7% in Japan, was up by 4% in Europe and up by 3% in the US. As a comparison the PS3 did +17%, +2%, -3% and the 360 did +13% (although prob best to ignore Japan here), -2%, +1%. Everything here is margin of error stuff with the only real exception being 3DS sales in Japan which seem to have jumped 47% after the release of Shin Megami Tensei IV.

So I think we can put the premise of the OP away now. Obviously it hasn't had anywhere near that sort of impact.

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Well ya, but that was my point. Fanboys don't exist, because people actually have reasons why they like a said thing.

The word is thrown around a lot for sure but that doesn't mean that they don't exist. Arguably everyone is a fanboy to some degree. I know I'm a fanboy, I understand my biases, I try to not bring them into a debate as best I can. If you don't understand your biases and instead claim that every view is equally valid how can you ever come to a rational conclusion? It's better to reject an argument on the grounds that it lacks evidence or some form of logical thought process than to accept or reject based on how comfortable it is.

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95. Posted:

@skywake
It just doesn't really have any value in an argument. I was getting called a Nintendo fanboy for quite a while on this site. Not only is it annoying, but it's not true.
I like Microsoft, Nintendo, AND Sony. The difference is that I don't like Sony's gaming machines, which is what this site is all about, so it gets called out as being biased. If I went onto a TV, sound, etc. devices thread, Sony would hear the most praise from me.
I don't really consider PS a viable platform, because gaming consoles aren't what I think Sony is good at.
Sony has my money when it comes to TVs and the like, but I completely ignore their gaming front. I just don't like the way they handle their game consoles. I also think Sony sometimes focuses too much on gaming, which still ends up not matching their competitors(IMO), and hinders their ability to make better decisions in a market I see them being more relevant in(TVs, etc).
This is of course my opinion.
Really, calling people fanboys literally adds nothing to any discussion, in a case for or against. By your description, I'm a fanboy of everything, because I see the positives AND the negatives. The difference is whether I think the positives outweigh the negatives, which some call being fanboyish. If I chose Wii over PS3 for the motion control support, I'd be considered a fanboy by many.
I'm stating facts about why I like whichever console. It's called preference, but I still like Sony, because they make other good products. My receiver is a Sony brand, and I hook up all my stuff to it. I also want the new Sony 4K TV. I just don't want a PS4 really, though, and this is a gaming site, so that's what we talk about.

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No, but you messed up the numbers prior. 200 consoles a week on whatever site is obviously worse than 175 a day(that's the actual figure. you were saying 150).

No, I did not mess up numbers prior. I gave a very BASIC example to explain why a huge increase in one retailer did not necessarily mean an overall increase. Obviously there are more than two retailers but for the purpose of the example I said ASDA had previously been selling 130 a day and Amazon 20 a day. Then Amazon cut their price, so everyone goes to them. Their sales go up from 20 a day to 150, a 750% increase, but overall numbers stay the same.

YOU then start talking about adding extra numbers to the ASDA sales for some strange reason. You always do that, you add in some random bit of information. Like right now you're going on and on about how the Wii U has outsold it's not yet available rivals. The only point I was trying to make is, everyone keeps going on about this huge sales spike, and it didn't happen. Next time an article pops up saying developer X is not bringing their game to Wii U, people WILL post comments stating they are confused, since the Wii U sales have now turned around and it's printing money.

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oh you silly people, actually taking your time to read SCAR's posts

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Well then, what are the actual figures? 875% of 20 is 175. To my understanding, and your numbers, Wii U sold 15 consoles more than the combined market of multiple online sites, on one site. Are you telling me, that no other site sold Wii U consoles after the Amazon raise in sales?
Until we see some actual data, there's really no way to tell. I'm just going based off your numbers. Unless your numbers are wrong, the Wii U did actually do better.
They wouldn't be reporting an increase, if it wasn't relevant to the entire sell count thus far.

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@skywake
It just doesn't really have any value in an argument. I was getting called a Nintendo fanboy for quite a while on this site. Not only is it annoying, but it's not true.
I like Microsoft, Nintendo, AND Sony. The difference is that I don't like Sony's gaming machines, which is what this site is all about, so it gets called out as being biased. If I went onto a TV, sound, etc. devices thread, Sony would hear the most praise from me.
I don't really consider PS a viable platform, because gaming consoles aren't what I think Sony is good at.
Sony has my money when it comes to TVs and the like, but I completely ignore their gaming front. I just don't like the way they handle their game consoles. I also think Sony sometimes focuses too much on gaming, which still ends up not matching their competitors(IMO), and hinders their ability to make better decisions in a market I see them being more relevant in(TVs, etc).
This is of course my opinion.
Really, calling people fanboys literally adds nothing to any discussion, in a case for or against. By your description, I'm a fanboy of everything, because I see the positives AND the negatives. The difference is whether I think the positives outweigh the negatives, which some call being fanboyish. If I chose Wii over PS3 for the motion control support, I'd be considered a fanboy by many.
I'm stating facts about why I like whichever console. It's called preference, but I still like Sony, because they make other good products. My receiver is a Sony brand, and I hook up all my stuff to it. I also want the new Sony 4K TV. I just don't want a PS4 really, though, and this is a gaming site, so that's what we talk about.

Fanboy is a stupid term, but why does it bother you so much? You're a fan of Nintendo consoles, so what?

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100. Posted:

SCAR392 wrote:

Really, calling people fanboys literally adds nothing to any discussion, in a case for or against. By your description, I'm a fanboy of everything, because I see the positives AND the negatives.

You obviously didn't read what I said and I did say that the word is used far too often. It does indeed detract from the argument but that doesn't mean that fanboyism doesn't exist at all. That's just nonsense.

Again read what I said. I said that "arguably everyone is a fanboy to some degree" I did not say that everyone is a fanboy of everything. When my footy team run out onto the field I support them and would say they were going to win despite the actual chances. When I hear some music from Deerhoof I'll talk about it as if it's better than it probably is. When E3 comes around I am hyped about Nintendo's stuff more than anything else and I'll declare them "winners" when the consensus was it was an even show. That's fanboyism, I don't want to know people who aren't fans of something.

It's irrational, you should be aware of it (especially if it's something non-trivial) and it's a bit of a slur on gaming forums.... but it's a damn good thing.

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