Topic: Wii U Not a Next-Gen Console?

You just said blah to Transistor. You're dead to me, damnit.

It probably would have been worth actually reading my post before replying in that way. All I said was that the "next-gen" debate about the hardware is meaningless because we only buy the hardware to play games. If there must be a debate about what's "next-gen" and what isn't then it should be about games and not the hardware. If you want to make it about the graphical power then you HAVE to include PC gaming and then you'll realise that this isn't that "next-gen" at all.

Also the "the Wii U doesn't have games" remark kinda buggers up your argument. If that's your opinion then cool but it only serves to reinforce my argument. That the specs don't matter and it's about new experiences through software. Personally I was more impressed by Mario Kart 8 than I was with Ryse, CoD and the Halo teaser.... but that's another debate I guess....

The gen of a system has always been defined by sequence and not power.
That's a universal truth, regardless of the year the tech inside was made.
Can we drop this now? It's not worth arguing about with such a clear-cut and logical answer already known.

The Wii U has alot of potential besides graphics. NFC, 9 axis, touch controls, and more focus on motion controls with a moderately powerful machine is pretty appealing, IMO.
The graphics aren't even that bad. X, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Pikmin, and basically every other big game out for the thing shows the Wii U isn't messing around.
The same thing happened with DS vs. PSP. The graphics were basically 'traded' for the second screen and touch controls, and the 3DS expanded upon that trade. The graphics were still decent, but those were the main focus. We have 3DS now, which bumps the graphics up, and added tons of other features not in the DS.

I'll say it agian but simply the Wii was a 7th generation console it came out the same time as the PS3, i would of hoped the Wii had better spec's than the PS2, a 6th generation console. It's like saying the PS3 had better spec's than a GameCube, duhh.

Ya. Wii U has better specs than PS3 and Xbox 360. Duhh.

What I think is ironic is how everyone keeps comparing the three, yet the big three are taking their own paths. Wii U focuses on games and a unique experience, PS4 focuses on sharing content, horsepower and gaming too, while the Xbox One wants to be the all-entertainment center with Microsoft over your shoulder all the time

Honestly, I'm happy with the Wii U. I have a decent collection of recently released games like Tekken, Sonic Racing, COD(meh, but still), Nintendo Land is fun for multiplayer(mainly), Lego is a pretty good game with alot to do, Monster Hunter is entertaining, VC games, etc.
Those are pretty hardcore games, give or take. It just doesn't seem like people think the Wii U is hardcore at all. COD and Tekken are hardcore on PS3/Xbox 360, but it's not hardcore on the Wii U? WTF.
The Wii U can do alot more than last gen consoles. It's just common sense.

Perhaps with the consoles released later this year they can drop the "next gen" title finally.

All 3rd parties should be wanting to put out all their big games on the Wii U by the middle of next year, I think.
The Wii U has the GamePad, and Sony is requiring the remote play option for all games, which requires a Vita. That means Sony just guaranteed the GamePad won't go unused if it gets PS4 ports of the games.
If Nintendo can get tons of people to get a Wii U, and love it like an adorable puppy, 3rd parties will jump. I guarantee it.
The Wii U isn't even that weak. Alot of games are scalable, too, so popularity of the Wii U will make 3rd parties want their games on there.
Basically everyboby freaking wants Mario Kart and Smash Bros. Pikmin, Zelda, etc. are awesome, too.
Nintendo's putting out tons of good games, and there's alot of untapped potential. Nintendo hasn't even finished the OS yet, and hardly anyone realizes the eShop is basically an app store.

Source for the remote play requirement?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-sony-mandate...

What...is the point for that? Are they really that desperate to push the Vita?

They want to compete with Wii U, while giving more reason to own a Vita.
You don't need a 3DS for remote play, obviously, and there are different games on 3DS compared to the Wii U, anyway.

What I think is interesting is that after all of EA's rambling the next CoD is going to be on the Wii U.

Nintendo doesn't care if third parties will release games on Wii U or not. I don't care either.
If something interests me that I can't play on Wii U, I will reluctantly buy a PS4. It's not that i belittle the price of the console, but the real cost is buying all the games for the console. If you keep it to a minimum, nobody should care what comes or what not comes to Wii U. It is going to be filled enormously with Nintendo games and exclusive games that no other console will have, so the Wii U is worth it regardless of any third parties.

@Wavebruz You might have to settle for orange & yellow Doritos

Its a apparently a native solution so its less of being desperate and more of there's barley any work on the developer side to do anything. (which is a good thing). Its like how android can miracast on a system level so developers don;t have to add anything special to their apps/games.

This is the stupidest thread I seen since..... the first Wii U doom thread. Even if the tech specs are not as amazing as the comipition..... it is still Nintendo's next gen console. What a stupid and pointless thread. XD

I'm pretty sure it's a desperate push to sell the Vita even if it's probably a good idea. I still don't see many people getting a Vita purely to use this feature but and I wouldn't call it "native". It isn't there by defauly and because of that I wouldn't expect many games to use it in a novel way.

In comparison the Wii U has it natively so Devs are encouraged to use it in different ways. The easiest thing to do is simply mirror the TV and some do that... but some put maps on there or inventory which is trivially different. Some give the second screen a different game screen entirely. Probably just as easy with the Vita + PS4 except that everyone has the second screen so you're not wasting your time building something nobody cares about.