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Reznor52

Sources have confirmed that the NX, Nintendos next generation console/device is going to be an android base technology that will be an open source device making it easier for developers to make or/and port games on the console. It's main function or purpose is going to be strongly dictated by smart phone mobile video gaming.
It seems when Nintendo stated earlier this year that the NX is not going to replace the wii u or the 3ds, they weren't lying. As a wii u owner and lover of Nintendo and the wii u, this news is awesome and promising in regards to the future and lifespan of the wii u. Middle finger to all the fanboy haters saying the wii u would be gone by 2016. Seems the NX is more focused on mobile gaming than anything else and are looking to get their feet wet in a slightly new industry.

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CaviarMeths

"Sources have confirmed"

It's one source and an unverified one. And the conclusion reached in your post is yours alone.

Next few weeks will be very interesting in the news indeed though.

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Reznor52

I'll post links tomorrow morning. On my phone, too much effort to do so. You're right, I stated some news and took it as I saw it. Positive news for the wii u but I felt it was worth posting because this news could shed light on the wii u's future. I mean all evidence and sources are pointing to the fact that whatever the NX is, it's not going to be a traditional console and sounds like it'll be more of a hybrid device of sorts. Agreed though, E3 can't come soon enough.

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Reznor52

CaviarMeths wrote:

"Sources have confirmed"

It's one source and an unverified one. And the conclusion reached in your post is yours alone.

Next few weeks will be very interesting in the news indeed though.

I should of clarified,(secondary sources have confirmed) but there multiple sources and from sources connected to Nintendo. I get the feel your supporting of the idea of the NX being a next gen console to replace the wii u. Nintendos smart enough not to do so. They'd never be able to build enough momentum to catch up with the ps4 or even xboxone. Why not make a new gaming experience like a unique console /mobile handheld device that doesn't have to directly compete with the ps4 or xboxone. Sounds like they're about to create they're own niche market.

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CaviarMeths

Reznor52 wrote:

I get the feel your supporting of the idea of the NX being a next gen console to replace the wii u. Nintendos smart enough not to do so. They'd never be able to build enough momentum to catch up with the ps4 or even xboxone. Why not make a new gaming experience like a unique console /mobile handheld device that doesn't have to directly compete with the ps4 or xboxone. Sounds like they're about to create they're own niche market.

Oh, no. I think the 3DS is due for replacement before the Wii U. This is what I posted in the other thread:

The silver lining for the Wii U is that it's actually managed to grow every year, little as that is. If you look at the release line up too, it's clear that Nintendo's 1st party focus is currently on the Wii U. The 3DS is in steady decline, and since it's Nintendo's biggest money maker, they'll probably want to replace it with something that sells better sooner rather than later. 3rd party considerations are important there too. As much as companies like Capcom and Level-5 love releasing games on the 3DS that cost little and sell millions, they're not going to want to develop for the underpowered, obsolete tech for much longer.

On the NX, my speculation is still that it is more of a system rather than a single piece of hardware. A scalable OS on a unified architecture that can be put on whatever hardware Nintendo wants, including PC and mobile (not that they would, just they could if they wanted to). Not a hybrid, but a shared ecosystem, and they would interact very closely. Android would be able to do that, in fact it already does that in the form of phones and tablets, but I'm not convinced that Nintendo is looking into using it. I would believe that they are looking into designing their own proprietary system based on Android, which is in turn based on Linux. Security is a very important consideration for Nintendo and a straight Android system offers very little of it.

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Haru17

Reznor52 wrote:

Middle finger to all the fanboy haters saying the wii u would be gone by 2016.

Wow, what a balanced and by no means too close to the issue viewpoint. Your points are balanced and by no means colored by your emotional investment.

Anyway, no, your computer is not going to be current forever. That's what 'planned obsolescence' means. Developers will not be making Wii U games in ~5~ years time, they just won't. They'll move onto the new hotness with more processing power, like every other time they have.

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CaviarMeths

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Anyway, no, your computer is not going to be current forever. That's what 'planned obsolescence' means. Developers will not be making Wii U games in ~5~ years time, they just won't. They'll move onto the new hotness with more processing power, like every other time they have.

I thought planned obsolescence was more like manufacturers of cell phone chargers intentionally making products with build quality so s****y that you have to buy a new one every few months. Needing to upgrade your PC isn't "planned" obsolescence. It's just regular, everyday obsolescence due to technology advancing.

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Haru17 wrote:

Developers will not be making Wii U games in ~5~ years time, they just won't.

Not officially no, however there are still people making games for NES, SNES, MD, Dreamcast & Spectrum, to name a few. It's not unthinkable that there will be people who will make games for the Wii U after it has been discontinued.

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Haru17 wrote:

Anyway, no, your computer is not going to be current forever. That's what 'planned obsolescence' means. Developers will not be making Wii U games in ~5~ years time, they just won't. They'll move onto the new hotness with more processing power, like every other time they have.

A bit of a stretch isn't it? I don't think anyone is saying that the Wii U will still be relevant five years from now. At most what was said was that the rumour that suggests the NX will run a version of Android suggests it may be more of a mobile-like device. Which would be more of a 3DS successor. OP was only saying it was a "middle finger" to those who believe the Wii U will be binned as soon as 2016. Which it is.

And BTW, as others have said that's not what planned obsolescence is. Planned obsolescence is deliberately engineering a product so that people will replace it quicker. It's the expiry date on printer ink sort of thing or cheap non-replaceable batteries in your music player. My DS Lite still works 100% so does my old Gameboy and even my SNES. The only reason they were replaced was because of the inevitability of Moore's Law.

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CaviarMeths wrote:

Haru17 wrote:

Anyway, no, your computer is not going to be current forever. That's what 'planned obsolescence' means. Developers will not be making Wii U games in ~5~ years time, they just won't. They'll move onto the new hotness with more processing power, like every other time they have.

I thought planned obsolescence was more like manufacturers of cell phone chargers intentionally making products with build quality so s****y that you have to buy a new one every few months. Needing to upgrade your PC isn't "planned" obsolescence. It's just regular, everyday obsolescence due to technology advancing.

Well, they've done it about half a dozen times now, so I'd say either it's planned or everyone at Nintendo is really, really, really stupid (which I personally doubt.) Anyway, planned obsolescence isn't always negative, as only xbox 360s have really been terribly break-prone, but it is still 'planned obsolescence,' by definition.

And I wouldn't say that NX running Android or something similar proves anything, really. All we can say is that Nintendo are trying to make the console more open to development. For all we know it could still be a $2500 computer that only runs Pong and Pong DLC locked to 500 fps.

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Haru17 wrote:

CaviarMeths wrote:

Haru17 wrote:

Anyway, no, your computer is not going to be current forever. That's what 'planned obsolescence' means. Developers will not be making Wii U games in ~5~ years time, they just won't. They'll move onto the new hotness with more processing power, like every other time they have.

I thought planned obsolescence was more like manufacturers of cell phone chargers intentionally making products with build quality so s****y that you have to buy a new one every few months. Needing to upgrade your PC isn't "planned" obsolescence. It's just regular, everyday obsolescence due to technology advancing.

Well, they've done it about half a dozen times now, so I'd say either it's planned or everyone at Nintendo is really, really, really stupid (which I personally doubt.) Anyway, planned obsolescence isn't always negative, as only xbox 360s have really been terribly break-prone, but it is still 'planned obsolescence,' by definition.

And I wouldn't say that NX running Android or something similar proves anything, really. All we can say is that Nintendo are trying to make the console more open to development. For all we know it could still be a $2500 computer that only runs Pong and Pong DLC locked to 500 fps.

The thing about commercial-grade technology is that it must be cost effective. For example, if you want a fully functional robot butler, the technology to do that exists right now and someone can make it for you. Yes, it will greet you in the morning. Yes, it will do all the cleaning. Yes, it will organize your schedule. Problem is that it would cost a few billion dollars to make a prototype and anybody who could afford a robot butler would just opt to hire a human butler for 0.001% of the cost. So until such a time when robot butlers are cost-effective enough to mass produce and sell at Wal-Mart, you're stuck with a Roomba.

Same with PCs. Right now, people can build a PC that will output at 288fps and pixel density to rival IMAX, but anyone who can afford that probably isn't looking to buy it, so nobody's making parts for it. Nvidia just announced their new GPU, and it's pretty damn powerful. They can make a better one of course. They just can't make a better one at a price point that people will actually accept.

And for Nintendo, releasing hardware at an attractive price point and profitable day one is paramount. It's not planned obsolescence so much as a conservative business strategy.

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Planned obsolescence != Technical obsolescence

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All I can say is that I hope this is dead wrong. I'd rather have a new handheld similar to the 3DS with more power and possible HD display than what this rumor is suggesting.

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I hope it is just a rumour. Cannot see how a mobile focused platform will prove that Nintendo still makes dedicated hardware, the only reason Iwata mentioned the NX.

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skywake

BlatantlyHeroic wrote:

All I can say is that I hope this is dead wrong. I'd rather have a new handheld similar to the 3DS with more power and possible HD display than what this rumor is suggesting.

Not that the rumour is anywhere near gospel but we're talking about an OS here. A fairly flexible OS at that. This doesn't mean that it's a phone or a tablet at all it could easily be something largely identical to what the 3DS is. Besides, there is already an Android based portable gaming machine on the market.....
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A device which despite being Android based has it's own games. Games which are on the Google Play store but only work on their devices. There are also ways to deploy software to Android devices outside of the Google Play store. Really, at most an Android based portable console would mean we also get mobile games on it. I mean Portal has already been ported to Android for the Shield, games like that would probably be available on the NX. That's not a bad thing.

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skywake wrote:

Planned obsolescence != Technical obsolescence

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Reznor52

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Haru17 wrote:

Middle finger to all the fanboy haters saying the wii u would be gone by 2016.

I apologize as it was late last night and I was overly excited about this news. It's just tiring when every comment section regarding Nintendo you have young immature COD fanboys always making smug remarks like, wii u is dead horrible console will be gone by early 2016. I should of been more politically correct and diplomatic but thank you, it's anyways guess to what the NX will be but it sounds like it's not a direct replace for the wii u which is promising for me considering the amount of money I threw down for wii u everything over the ps4 and xboxone. Collectively I'm very happy with my choice but I like the idea of having more than 1-2 years of developer/Nintendos support for the console.

Wow, what a balanced and by no means too close to the issue viewpoint. Your points are balanced and by no means colored by your emotional investment.

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