...and the touchscreen is the same kind you use at grocery checkouts and at the ATM....
While they're all resistive touchscreens, I really wouldn't compare them. The other touchscreens are far too unreliable and inconsistent. The Gamepad's resistive touchscreen is by far the best quality there is.
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The Gamepad comes packaged with an AC power supply. The battery life criticism has never quite made sense to me. Why not just plug it in when you're not using it? Heck, why not plug it in when you are using it?
Plugging it in while I'm using it isn't always convenient. I have it docked next to my TV so in order to do so, I have to remove the cord from the dock and the wall outlet and bring it back over to my chair. I also may have any combination of my Macbook, iPad or 3DS plugged in so I have to unplug one of those as well. I'd be happy with 10hr battery life. If my iPad can pull it off, my much larger Wii U Gamepad should be able as well.
Ok, well even if it's not viable to have it plugged in while playing, what's stopping you from plugging it in while not playing? A 10 hour battery life really only seems necessary to me if you intend on having 10 hour gaming sessions.
The iPad I can see, because its a device intended to be used out of the home as much as in, so it requires a longer battery life. But your Gamepad is never going to be more than 20 feet away from a power source.
Was it the thing everyone was begging them to add? No. From memory of the early pre-announcement threads people weren't asking for off-TV play. User requests are the most boring things. People were asking for stuffs like a Unified account system, IDs rather than friend codes, HDMI output, voice chat and so on. I don't think anyone was saying "I want to be able to play games while the TV is in use". But nobody asked for WiiMotes or Dual Screen handhelds either.
People weren't asking for it because it wasn't an issue. When someone buys a system they know is going to use up the TV and nobody had a problem with that. When someone wanted something portable they buy a DS. A wise man once said "if something is not broken, why fix it?"
What I said went right over your head. The DS was an experiment, when it launched the idea of having a second screen with touch input on a portable wasn't on any "the next handheld should have ___" lists. When I first saw the DS back in late 2004 I really didn't get the second screen. Mid 2006 I saw Brain Training, hard to think this now but that blew me away. It was that point I got what they were doing, grabbed a DS Lite with Mario Kart DS.
Same thing with the iPhone. Nobody before the iPhone was saying "hey, lets get rid of buttons on phones and just use a touch screen". Before the iPhone the idea of a PDA that was also a Phone had been done but it was a pretty dorky niche thing. When I first heard about the iPhone I thought it was a ridiculous idea because the touch screen would just do random crap while it was in your pocket. I was wrong obviously but the point remains. The "it ain't broke" philosophy in tech is boring, all of the best ideas haven't taken that approach.
With the Wii U it's painfully obvious what the benefits of off-TV play are. If you happen to live by yourself or happen to have a TV in your room where the Wii U is hooked up isolated from everyone then cool. That's not how most people use a console. Frankly I don't want to have to wrangle control of the TV or wake up everyone just to play a 10min match of Mario Kart or play a VC title. I didn't care about it before the Wii U but now that I can do it? It's pretty cool.
I finished Assassin's Creed 4 while the News was on, I beat Super Mario 3D World while watching the Cricket, I play matches of Mario Kart 8 at the end of my bed. No need to set everything up to do this, it just does it. How is that NOT something to be happy about? Before the Wii U I wouldn't have cared, now that I've used it I'm going to look less favourably on other gaming devices that don't allow this.
Nvidia Shield, why you not readily available in Australia yet? Also, why you not cheap enough?
1. The 2nd second screen for Off-TV-Play (if supported)
2. Your own multiplayer screen (if supported)
3. Asymetrical multiplayer (if supported)
4. Touchscreen for menu navigation/maps/inventory/stats/etc.
5. and for better controls in a variety of genres (strategy, puzzle, education, internet browsing, etc.)
6. Best of Classic Buttons and Motion Controls too.
7. Microphone & Camera (incl. Wii U Chat)
8. Sensor Bar (incl. Wii Off-TV-Play)
9. TV Remote Control
Cons:
1. Battery Power could be longer
2. Remote Distance could be longer
The Gamepad comes packaged with an AC power supply. The battery life criticism has never quite made sense to me. Why not just plug it in when you're not using it? Heck, why not plug it in when you are using it?
Plugging it in while I'm using it isn't always convenient. I have it docked next to my TV so in order to do so, I have to remove the cord from the dock and the wall outlet and bring it back over to my chair. I also may have any combination of my Macbook, iPad or 3DS plugged in so I have to unplug one of those as well. I'd be happy with 10hr battery life. If my iPad can pull it off, my much larger Wii U Gamepad should be able as well.
Ok, well even if it's not viable to have it plugged in while playing, what's stopping you from plugging it in while not playing? A 10 hour battery life really only seems necessary to me if you intend on having 10 hour gaming sessions.
The iPad I can see, because its a device intended to be used out of the home as much as in, so it requires a longer battery life. But your Gamepad is never going to be more than 20 feet away from a power source.
That's the problem, I do keep it docked, just sometimes I'll play a game or games for longer than a few hours at a time. Going from fully charged I should never have to plug it in within a single play session.
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I preferred the Gamecube / Wii Classic Controller / nunchuck type Analog stick. (The Wii U design could be better but not for any of the games I am likely to ever play on the Wii U).
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Was it the thing everyone was begging them to add? No. From memory of the early pre-announcement threads people weren't asking for off-TV play. User requests are the most boring things. People were asking for stuffs like a Unified account system, IDs rather than friend codes, HDMI output, voice chat and so on. I don't think anyone was saying "I want to be able to play games while the TV is in use". But nobody asked for WiiMotes or Dual Screen handhelds either.
People weren't asking for it because it wasn't an issue. When someone buys a system they know is going to use up the TV and nobody had a problem with that. When someone wanted something portable they buy a DS. A wise man once said "if something is not broken, why fix it?"
What I said went right over your head. The DS was an experiment, when it launched the idea of having a second screen with touch input on a portable wasn't on any "the next handheld should have ___" lists. When I first saw the DS back in late 2004 I really didn't get the second screen. Mid 2006 I saw Brain Training, hard to think this now but that blew me away. It was that point I got what they were doing, grabbed a DS Lite with Mario Kart DS.
Same thing with the iPhone. Nobody before the iPhone was saying "hey, lets get rid of buttons on phones and just use a touch screen". Before the iPhone the idea of a PDA that was also a Phone had been done but it was a pretty dorky niche thing. When I first heard about the iPhone I thought it was a ridiculous idea because the touch screen would just do random crap while it was in your pocket. I was wrong obviously but the point remains. The "it ain't broke" philosophy in tech is boring, all of the best ideas haven't taken that approach.
With the Wii U it's painfully obvious what the benefits of off-TV play are. If you happen to live by yourself or happen to have a TV in your room where the Wii U is hooked up isolated from everyone then cool. That's not how most people use a console. Frankly I don't want to have to wrangle control of the TV or wake up everyone just to play a 10min match of Mario Kart or play a VC title. I didn't care about it before the Wii U but now that I can do it? It's pretty cool.
I finished Assassin's Creed 4 while the News was on, I beat Super Mario 3D World while watching the Cricket, I play matches of Mario Kart 8 at the end of my bed. No need to set everything up to do this, it just does it. How is that NOT something to be happy about? Before the Wii U I wouldn't have cared, now that I've used it I'm going to look less favourably on other gaming devices that don't allow this.
Nvidia Shield, why you not readily available in Australia yet? Also, why you not cheap enough?
The Nvidia Shields costs about as much as a 3DS XL or Vita. But its better hardware and it has a nicer screen. How can that be unfair ?
“30fps Is Not a Good Artistic Decision, It's a Failure”
Freedom of the press is for those who happen to own one.
Was it the thing everyone was begging them to add? No. From memory of the early pre-announcement threads people weren't asking for off-TV play. User requests are the most boring things. People were asking for stuffs like a Unified account system, IDs rather than friend codes, HDMI output, voice chat and so on. I don't think anyone was saying "I want to be able to play games while the TV is in use". But nobody asked for WiiMotes or Dual Screen handhelds either.
People weren't asking for it because it wasn't an issue. When someone buys a system they know is going to use up the TV and nobody had a problem with that. When someone wanted something portable they buy a DS. A wise man once said "if something is not broken, why fix it?"
What I said went right over your head. The DS was an experiment, when it launched the idea of having a second screen with touch input on a portable wasn't on any "the next handheld should have ___" lists. When I first saw the DS back in late 2004 I really didn't get the second screen. Mid 2006 I saw Brain Training, hard to think this now but that blew me away. It was that point I got what they were doing, grabbed a DS Lite with Mario Kart DS.
Same thing with the iPhone. Nobody before the iPhone was saying "hey, lets get rid of buttons on phones and just use a touch screen". Before the iPhone the idea of a PDA that was also a Phone had been done but it was a pretty dorky niche thing. When I first heard about the iPhone I thought it was a ridiculous idea because the touch screen would just do random crap while it was in your pocket. I was wrong obviously but the point remains. The "it ain't broke" philosophy in tech is boring, all of the best ideas haven't taken that approach.
With the Wii U it's painfully obvious what the benefits of off-TV play are. If you happen to live by yourself or happen to have a TV in your room where the Wii U is hooked up isolated from everyone then cool. That's not how most people use a console. Frankly I don't want to have to wrangle control of the TV or wake up everyone just to play a 10min match of Mario Kart or play a VC title. I didn't care about it before the Wii U but now that I can do it? It's pretty cool.
I finished Assassin's Creed 4 while the News was on, I beat Super Mario 3D World while watching the Cricket, I play matches of Mario Kart 8 at the end of my bed. No need to set everything up to do this, it just does it. How is that NOT something to be happy about? Before the Wii U I wouldn't have cared, now that I've used it I'm going to look less favourably on other gaming devices that don't allow this.
Nvidia Shield, why you not readily available in Australia yet? Also, why you not cheap enough?
The Nvidia Shields costs about as much as a 3DS XL or Vita. But its better hardware and it has a nicer screen. How can that be unfair ?
The Nvidia Shield controls are terrible. The buttons feel mushy and the analog sticks are way too lose. The screen is basically a smart phone. I was very disappointed when I finally got to play on a Shield.
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
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Nvidia Shield, why you not readily available in Australia yet? Also, why you not cheap enough?
The Nvidia Shields costs about as much as a 3DS XL or Vita. But its better hardware and it has a nicer screen. How can that be unfair ?
It's actually about $50-100 more and given it'd only be used to stream games from my PC so I can play them portably. Hard sell. I don't want another portable with better hardware. I want the PC equivalent of the GamePad, a thin client that is really good at streaming video but also does game streaming.
No reason why they can't build one of them for half the price of the Shield.
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Nvidia Shield, why you not readily available in Australia yet? Also, why you not cheap enough?
The Nvidia Shields costs about as much as a 3DS XL or Vita. But its better hardware and it has a nicer screen. How can that be unfair ?
It's actually about $50-100 more and given it'd only be used to stream games from my PC so I can play them portably. Hard sell. I don't want another portable with better hardware. I want the PC equivalent of the GamePad, a thin client that is really good at streaming video but also does game streaming.
No reason why they can't build one of them for half the price of the Shield.
They could but there is no reason for them to want to. (Or to let 3rd parties do it because they would have to unlock down stuff meaning people could do this sort of thing without Quadro's which is what they really).
Paying the Steam 75% off price for 3 or 4 games instead of the PS4 price pays for this device.
“30fps Is Not a Good Artistic Decision, It's a Failure”
Freedom of the press is for those who happen to own one.
They could but there is no reason for them to want to. (Or to let 3rd parties do it because they would have to unlock down stuff meaning people could do this sort of thing without Quadro's which is what they really).
Paying the Steam 75% off price for 3 or 4 games instead of the PS4 price pays for this device.
1. The main reason would be margin, I doubt they're making much money on the Shield. It's overkill for streaming games.
2. What makes you think third parties can't do it? Nintendo, Sony, Valve and even Intel in a way are already doing it in a way
3. Or I could get a tablet that's actually available in stores for more than $100 less and do everything but game streaming on it.....
I know why they're not doing it, it's purely because it's an idea that caters a niche market. It just sucks that the only product on the market that does it is seriously over built.
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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"
They could but there is no reason for them to want to. (Or to let 3rd parties do it because they would have to unlock down stuff meaning people could do this sort of thing without Quadro's which is what they really).
Paying the Steam 75% off price for 3 or 4 games instead of the PS4 price pays for this device.
1. The main reason would be margin, I doubt they're making much money on the Shield. It's overkill for streaming games.
2. What makes you think third parties can't do it? Nintendo, Sony, Valve and even Intel in a way are already doing it in a way
3. Or I could get a tablet that's actually available in stores for more than $100 less and do everything but game streaming on it.....
I know why they're not doing it, it's purely because it's an idea that caters a niche market. It just sucks that the only product on the market that does it is seriously over built.
I think the main reason is if they get it wrong somebody works out a way of doing this sort of thing for commercial users allowing them to buy £300 Geforce cards instead of £1500 or more Quadro's.
“30fps Is Not a Good Artistic Decision, It's a Failure”
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I think the main reason is if they get it wrong somebody works out a way of doing this sort of thing for commercial users allowing them to buy £300 Geforce cards instead of £1500 or more Quadro's.
What are you even talking about? The Shield doesn't need to run on Quadros, I'm not sure if Quadros even support it. Plus why would you? Quadros are workstation cards not gaming cards. I skipped over that bit in your first post because I assumed you had misspoke or something. But really? You actually think that?
wow.....
The only things you need for game streaming is:
1. Fast video encoding on the server end
2. Fast video decoding on the client end
3. A network connection fast enough to handle it
................. that's it
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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"
I think the main reason is if they get it wrong somebody works out a way of doing this sort of thing for commercial users allowing them to buy £300 Geforce cards instead of £1500 or more Quadro's.
What are you even talking about? The Shield doesn't need to run on Quadros, I'm not sure if Quadros even support it. Plus why would you? Quadros are workstation cards not gaming cards. I skipped over that bit in your first post because I assumed you had misspoke or something. But really? You actually think that?
wow.....
The only things you need for game streaming is:
1. Fast video encoding on the server end
2. Fast video decoding on the client end
3. A network connection fast enough to handle it
................. that's it
I never said it did.
What Nvidia won't want is someone writing a £50 app that makes it so you can get around their requirements to buy Quadro's for streaming windows properly. The current thing they have works brilliantly.
The Nvidia Shield costs next to nothing and if it works as well it is totally worth it.
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