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SCRAPPER392

@mamp
You're taking a small amount of games that weren't optimized, and drawing conclusions, though(besides Rayman). The only way we'll ever know whether Wii U can support 3rd party games, is if it actually gets them.

They didn't port Wii U launch games with the intentions of improving them. If that was the case, 2K 13 on Wii U would have looked like 2K 14 on Xbox One. It's fact.

The same goes for CoD Ghosts. The Wii U version can technically match up with the Xbox One and PS4 version, but they could figure it out in time.

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DefHalan

@mamp
Please refer to number 4 of my post that you are replying to

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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mamp

@Defhalan I did and like I said the big AAA publishers don't care and probably won't until game development collapses but until then well you know. It's sad though :/

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DefHalan

mamp wrote:

@Defhalan I did and like I said the big AAA publishers don't care and probably won't until game development collapses but until then well you know. It's sad though :/

Yea, that is why I tend to support Indie more. AAA are normally too distracted by sales numbers than making a quality product

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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sub12

As a Nintendo fan, I’m kinda getting sick of other Nintendo fans sweeping their foolish problems / missteps underneath the carpet as if it’s nothing (such as arguing that third party games don’t matter, or suck, which is pretty far from the truth). Theirs a bit of a disconnect between the pre (NES, SNES, N64) Gamecube crowd and post (Wii, Wii U).

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sub12 wrote:

As a Nintendo fan, I’m kinda getting sick of other Nintendo fans sweeping their foolish problems / missteps underneath the carpet as if it’s nothing (such as arguing that third party games don’t matter, or suck, which is pretty far from the truth). Theirs a bit of a disconnect between the pre (NES, SNES, N64) Gamecube crowd and post (Wii, Wii U).

In what way are people "sweeping the problems under the carpet"?

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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sub12

Well not everybody, but thiers some people on this forum that obviously worship at the altar of Iwata, and believe that every choice / decision made by Nintendo is golden, and that any other “view”, company, or game, is pretty much garbage.

Just saying, uber Nintendo fanboys are just as annoying as uber Sony or Microsoft fanboys.

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Metaknight_3Raw

SCAR392 wrote:

LegatoSkyheart wrote:

arronishere wrote:

Nintendo doesn't need 3rd party support for the Wii U but it would help, if the Wii U flops there will be a lot of other reasons.

WiiU already flopped and the reasons are already there.
1. It's not powerful enough for the majority of the Gamer crowd (this saddens me).
2. Frames mean Everything. (Giantbomb did a demo of Arkham City and declared the WiiU being unplayable and awful because the frames went below 30 frames but still at a playable level.)
3. The Name is just too similar to Wii and the marketing made it worse as people thought it was just an Addon for the existing Wii.
4. 3rd Party just jumping ship. (WiiU should have gotten every major Release in 2013, but a good chunk of the major releases skipped WiiU.)

Add all of that together and you get a huge Console Mess in your hands.

1. If you understood the hardware, you would know that Wii U doesn't have a "power" problm.
2. Frames do matter, but Nintendo has nothing to do with the performance of Batman: Arkham City, so what's your point?
3. Besides children, no one should have issues with being able ti recognize the difference between Wii and Wii U. I find that this issue has more to do with individuals that aren't very observant.
4. 3rd parties never even "got on board", so how exactly would they "jump ship"? BTW, rhetorical question right there. It'd be like saying you threw a rock that you never even picked up. That's impossible, so how it's one of your reasons is beyond the grasp of reality.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't EA share the stage with Nintendo at E3 when the Wii U was announced. That shows they were pretty on board back then... now they don't bother with the Wii U at all kind of like jumping ship...

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BinaryFragger wrote:

The PS3 was struggling well into 2009, with a lot of people calling it a failure. By 2013, it was outselling the Xbox 360.
Who knows what will happen with this new generation of consoles.

Do you know what's funny, PS3 struggled for several years but I don't remember any doom and gloom articles about it. In fact it seems to be held in higher esteem than the Wii U or the Wii that sold more.

Nintenjoe64 wrote:

I think the Wii U will get 3rd party support, including EA, by the end of the year (maybe not for this year though). It will be the typical not so great efforts and PS360 ports. I think Capcom might do a few exclusives once the Japanese install base looks like it needs a new monster hunter or RE spin-off. I don't know why everyone worries so much. They're the same people who never buy 3rd party games anyway.

If Nintendo don't massively hype Mario Kart, Smash and X then we should worry because they won't replace the Wii U early but they will be more than happy to stop throwing money at it if it's a sales dud.

I don't think EA is coming back, something bad happened their between them you can tell. You don't just go from sharing the stage at E3 to this over nothing.

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SCRAPPER392

@MetaKnight_3raw
That's the only case, and maybe Ubisoft, but Ubisoft is still supporting Nintendo. Besides those 2, basically everyone else was never really on board, at least when it comes to 8th gen titles.

Unless you count 7th gen ports as valuable software assets for 8th generation(which they are, TO AN EXTENT), then ya, everything is fine. The point is that people expect 8th gen games on Wii U. Whether 3rd parties support Wii U is of concern, but of no control.

Nintendo doesn't determine whether 3rd parties support their consoles, so placing te blame on Nintendo is a dead give away that whoever says that doesn't know what they're talking about.

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Metaknight_3Raw

SCAR392 wrote:

@MetaKnight_3raw
That's the only case, and maybe Ubisoft, but Ubisoft is still supporting Nintendo. Besides those 2, basically everyone else was never really on board, at least when it comes to 8th gen titles.

Unless you count 7th gen ports as valuable software assets for 8th generation(which they are, TO AN EXTENT), then ya, everything is fine. The point is that people expect 8th gen games on Wii U. Whether 3rd parties support Wii U is of concern, but of no control.

Nintendo doesn't determine whether 3rd parties support their consoles, so placing te blame on Nintendo is a dead give away that whoever says that doesn't know what they're talking about.

I'm not sure it is. What about all those developers who made presentation videos and seemed pretty keen. Irrational Games springs to mind. Yet later decided not to bring their big games to the Wii U, seems like jumping ship to me.

And to be honest I'm not sure what's worse the jumping ship or the being blatantly ignored by the majority of third party developers.

And yes before the Wii U arrived I did hope I could get some of the major third party titles on Wii U. Who's to blame is a combination I think. Nintendo certainly isn't blameless but neither are the third parties unwillingness to see potential in a great console. How many times did Nintendolife post articles of Iwata saying things were going to be different, no more game droughts bla bla bla, working with third parties bla bla bla. None of that seems to have happened.

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SCRAPPER392

@MetaKnight_3Raw
I can agree, but it depends on said reasons. 3rd parties and Nintendo are both part of this, so we can't blame only one or the other. Blaming Nintendo would be ignoring 3rd party connections, and blaming 3rd parties would be ignoring that Nintendo should probably be improving their console.

We just don't have enough information to draw conclusions, which is all I'm trying to say.

It's not like everyone is just on vacation at Nintendo HQ. They aren't paying people to have cake and pizza.

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SCAR392 wrote:

@MetaKnight_3Raw
I can agree, but it depends on said reasons. 3rd parties and Nintendo are both part of this, so we can't blame only one or the other. Blaming Nintendo would be ignoring 3rd party connections, and blaming 3rd parties would be ignoring that Nintendo should probably be improving their console.

We just don't have enough information to draw conclusions, which is all I'm trying to say.

It's not like everyone is just on vacation at Nintendo HQ. They aren't paying people to have cake and pizza.

Honestly, most of the time I don't post on the Wii U drama because @SCAR392 has it straight. Nintendo is not without some fault but you gotta realize it hard to say when it comes to 3rd party support.

Nintendo has to work harder to get these guys sadly and there may not even be as much reward. My opinion is that the Wii U should have been advertised more and they should have been more ready for HD gaming development for a while. I don't care much about most "AAA" titles cause most of them are these western games I don't like so whatever. You can't make me buy 3rd party games I don't want and I shouldn't feel forced to buy games I don't like just to support more 3rd party support I still may not like. Many 3rd parties seem to falling such as Capcom and Konami because they have this idea of targeting the "stereotypical" gamer instead of broadening their horizons like they used to. Nintendo may not have done as much with the Wii U gamepad yet, but you think some of these guys would show some interest in the thing.

We will see what will happen and how Nintendo deals with these problems. Some of this is their fault, but that also means they can do their best to fix it. I heard the PS4 and Xbox people went to 3rd parties for advice on what they want in the next gen console. Nintendo should do that next time, just so at the very least porting stuff over won't be absolutely any issue.

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LegatoSkyheart

DefHalan wrote:

In the Wii U's defense:
1. A lower powered system is better for the industry (less power means lower bidget and lower risks)
2. Arkham City runs fine on Wii U (I own it and have loved it, Origins has issues but it has issues on all systems) also a game like that and other ports were not optimized for the system, could have happened to any system.
3. The name being too similar isn't the problem, Nintendo did not advertise. Also when they first announced the Wii U they only showed off the controller which caused confusion in the industry, so it is not surprising others are confused.
4. Publishers are running this industry into the ground. The longer these publishers keep pushing this type of game development thr more it will hurt when it collapse. (Obviously this is not all Publishers but the big ones)

I would not call the Wii U a flop because a console is a marathon, not a sprint. I still think Nintendo can "save" the Wii U

1. This is why there's still a lot of games being developed for 360 and PS3 and not PS4 and Xbox One. So where's the WiiU versions?
2. From what I've seen Arkham City looks like it runs decently on WiiU, I was stating what was going on at WiiU's launch where Giantbomb ripped it apart by saying things like "Yeah this is not a good version of the game" "Yeah frame rate is bad." and the game looks fine as they continue to play. Nitpicking is what I saw.
3. That was actually the bit I was talking about. At E3 2011 when the WiiU was first unveiled there was mass confusion on what the system was in the gaming world. The Mass Market however doesn't keep up with these things. WiiU sounds like Wii Fit or Wii Sports so naturally one would think WiiU is an addon for Wii.
4. They're largely ignoring the Nintendo branch right now and that's my argument. Call it begging if you want, but I refuse to be served Scraps for my Nintendo Consoles.

sub12 wrote:

As a Nintendo fan, I’m kinda getting sick of other Nintendo fans sweeping their foolish problems / missteps underneath the carpet as if it’s nothing (such as arguing that third party games don’t matter, or suck, which is pretty far from the truth). Theirs a bit of a disconnect between the pre (NES, SNES, N64) Gamecube crowd and post (Wii, Wii U).

I get this everywhere.

"You got a Nintendo Console for 3rd Party!? Har Har! I only get it for 1st Party!"
Most ridiculous thing I have EVER heard of.

"3rd Parties Suck! We don't need them! Nintendo makes the Best Games!"
>Talks about how great Assassin's Creed IV is on Miiverse.

"3rd Parties don't sell on Nintendo."
Well I wonder why that is. People thinking it's not Nintendo it's crap, 3rd Parties halfhearting their Releases, etc, etc.

Edited on by LegatoSkyheart

LegatoSkyheart

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I'm sick of the whole "it's the name and advertising" thing. I mean really guys, XBox One? iPad being the successor to the iPad which is the successor to the iPad 2? Really, Wii U is hardly the worst name on the market nor is it the least well advertised. If you remember the 3DS was in the same boat with the same ranty armchair analysts saying the same thing when it launched.

LegatoSkyheart wrote:

From what I've seen Arkham City looks like it runs decently on WiiU, I was stating what was going on at WiiU's launch where Giantbomb ripped it apart by saying things like "Yeah this is not a good version of the game" "Yeah frame rate is bad." and the game looks fine as they continue to play. Nitpicking is what I saw.

You see that everywhere and not just in the gaming media. People build an opinion and then hold onto it as hard as they can. Whether it's pride or fear of losing their financial or emotional investment into their belief. So in this scenario when people have already made their minds up about the Wii U and have probably made purchasing decisions based on that belief any slim bit of evidence is blown way out of proportion. Any positive news is overlooked. Also the reverse is true of the people who are emotionally or financially invested into the Wii U.

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LegatoSkyheart wrote:

1. This is why there's still a lot of games being developed for 360 and PS3 and not PS4 and Xbox One. So where's the WiiU versions?
2. From what I've seen Arkham City looks like it runs decently on WiiU, I was stating what was going on at WiiU's launch where Giantbomb ripped it apart by saying things like "Yeah this is not a good version of the game" "Yeah frame rate is bad." and the game looks fine as they continue to play. Nitpicking is what I saw.
3. That was actually the bit I was talking about. At E3 2011 when the WiiU was first unveiled there was mass confusion on what the system was in the gaming world. The Mass Market however doesn't keep up with these things. WiiU sounds like Wii Fit or Wii Sports so naturally one would think WiiU is an addon for Wii.
4. They're largely ignoring the Nintendo branch right now and that's my argument. Call it begging if you want, but I refuse to be served Scraps for my Nintendo Consoles.

1. Wii U hasn't been out as long as 360 or PS3, games take time to develop and porting a game isn't as easy as people make it out to be. Also I am with SCAR for this one, the Wii U needs 8th gen 3rd Party not 7th gen.
2. I agree the majority of Video Game press is immature, from what I have seen NintendoLife is one of the few mature Press Sites.
3. Yep, Nintendo needs to advertise the console itself a bit.
4. The thing is that if you or others want more 3rd Party on Wii U then you need to support 3rd Party on Wii U. The power is in the consumer's hands. We will have to buy "gimped" versions for 3rd Party for 3rd Parties to see fhe Wii U as a option. If you buy the 3rd Party games on other systems you prove to them you are fine with them not supporting Wii U. Kinda sad we have to suffer through these "gimped versions" but it is the truth.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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mamp

LegatoSkyheart wrote:

I get this everywhere.

"You got a Nintendo Console for 3rd Party!? Har Har! I only get it for 1st Party!"
Most ridiculous thing I have EVER heard of.

"3rd Parties Suck! We don't need them! Nintendo makes the Best Games!"
>Talks about how great Assassin's Creed IV is on Miiverse.

"3rd Parties don't sell on Nintendo."
Well I wonder why that is. People thinking it's not Nintendo it's crap, 3rd Parties halfhearting their Releases, etc, etc.

Let's not forget the "think of the children" excuse when people call Nintnedo childish for not having games for the older crowd
Nintendo's a company that wants to cater to everyone and everyone includes the older crowd that can handle some blood and an F bomb here and there not to mention it's parents jobs to monitor what their kids play.

Personally I would want to see third party succeed on Nintendo platforms, not only because it leads to more games but it leads to more original exclusive games. The Wii gave me some great orginal games that came from third party developers like Little King's story, No more heroes 1&2, Madworld, Silent hill shattered memories, Just Dance, and tatsunoko Vs. Capcom (and out of most of these only just dance sold big time). There are probably a couple more that I forgot. It would be nice though to see as many original games as possible and exclusively for the Wii U and so far all we have from third party that's original is Zombie U and it didn't sell as well as Ubisoft hoped it would.

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I don't own third party wii games except Okami, which my firs saw on a ps2. Interesting game, though I really let my brother do half the game (the boring parts).
Actually I also tried cod black ops, but I can't play the game for some reason. My vision and head goes whaaaat if I try.
My relatives had guitar hero though. And some of the first party wii games weren't great: Mario party sucked. Pokemon battle whatever was ok if you had someone with a ds plus the games but I don't really play pokemon anyway.

Anyway. When I get wii u, it will be for Mario kart, smash bros is tied with luigi u (not Mario u) and maybe project cars or 3d world (does it have a hard mode?). In that order..
Oh, and I need to finally try pikmin 3 too. Geez, that's like.. $300 for the games after getting a console. Mario kart top priority. On the side, art academy looks cool, as does nintendoland and wii u party. No idea what those cost though

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LegatoSkyheart wrote:

I get this everywhere.

"You got a Nintendo Console for 3rd Party!? Har Har! I only get it for 1st Party!"
Most ridiculous thing I have EVER heard of.

"3rd Parties Suck! We don't need them! Nintendo makes the Best Games!"
>Talks about how great Assassin's Creed IV is on Miiverse.

"3rd Parties don't sell on Nintendo."
Well I wonder why that is. People thinking it's not Nintendo it's crap, 3rd Parties halfhearting their Releases, etc, etc.

Yeah I really don't think people seeing Nintendo as an add-on secondary console is a good thing...

BinaryFragger wrote:

Metaknight_3Raw wrote:

Do you know what's funny, PS3 struggled for several years but I don't remember any doom and gloom articles about it. In fact it seems to be held in higher esteem than the Wii U or the Wii that sold more.

The PS3 got plenty of negative press, especially about it's complexity from high profile developers like Valve and id Software:
http://www.destructoid.com/surprise-valve-thinks-ps3-is-too-h...
http://www.lazygamer.net/xbox-360/ids-rage-the-ps3-is-struggl...

Have you read the comments section of the first one? Defending PS3 to the hilt, it had been the Wii U they would be destroying it in the comments section. The PS3 is highly respected in the gaming community it seems so people can accept the flaws.

There were a few but fair to say it was less than the Wii U was getting or at least the positive news on games drowned out Valve and id Software. iD Software also said negative things about the Wii U but unlike the PS3 they haven't and probably won't bring a game to it.

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