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MuchoMochi

RancidVomit86 wrote:

MuchoMochi wrote:

I think it's a sad future we live in where Nintendo is more desirable on mobile phones and on other companies hardware. I wish I could go back in time and tell Nintendo not to screw over Sony and to not make the Wii and become casual fodder for a whole generation, Sega not to make the 32-X, the Sega CD and not quit supporting the Saturn, then we may live in the time where those two still competed and were the cornerstone of gaming.

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haha although that was funny I wasn't making that point as if I could have run Nintendo better, just that I could save my most nostalgic gaming companies from where they are now, so I am not worthy to wear the cape of Captain Hindsight Nintendo is fine but I wish they were still the most desired gaming hardware, and that their 3rd party support was a tad bit better. Other than that I still love them as much as I did when I first played Nintendo 64 and SNES.

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VG_Addict

Do you think the Wii U will at least do better this year, with Smash Bros, X, MK8, and Bayonetta 2?

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MuchoMochi

VG_Addict wrote:

Do you think the Wii U will at least do better this year, with Smash Bros, X, MK8, and Bayonetta 2?

Absolutely. They just need to market those games so people besides gamers can see that they exist if they really want to sell the console, but other than that the people who constantly check for game updates will eventually break down and buy it. All of those titles are must buys for me.

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kkslider5552000

VG_Addict wrote:

Do you think the Wii U will at least do better this year, with Smash Bros, X, MK8, and Bayonetta 2?

I think it's impossible for them to not. Both because of those games and also because doing better wouldn't exactly be the biggest accomplishment.

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skywake

moomoo wrote:

However, they also wouldn't get those fees from every 3rd party that publishes on their platform that make up the bulk of their profits, meaning they would have to change their business model as well. Granted, I don't know if they'd be giving up much right now, considering that 3rd party games are selling at incredibly low numbers on Wii U and that there aren't many 3rd party games coming out in general either

It's not just that, it's also their first party content. When they make and publish a game to be released on their own platform they're more or less the only guys in the chain. If they sell it digitally there's even less in the way because they cut distribution and retailers out. If they went third party they'd take a good 30% hit on the money they make from their next big title.

Which is a big deal when Nintendo's games from the last generation make up about half of the top 20 selling games of all time. Their games in general make up all but two of those in the top 20. Even now in "doom times" their 3DS titles are making good friends with the top of the sales charts. Even their Wii U titles we're ranting about selling horribly are breaking 1-2mill sales. It's no Wii but there's no reason to believe that this is "peak Wii U" or that things are only going to go downhill from here.

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VG_Addict wrote:

Do you think the Wii U will at least do better this year, with Smash Bros, X, MK8, and Bayonetta 2?

Mario Kart 8 is gonna sell just like how Pokémon X/Y did for 3DS.
Smash Bros for Wii U will sell pretty well.
X should do good.
Bayonetta 2? That's.... that's gonna be interesting to see. I'm buying it on day one.

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shingi_70

VG_Addict wrote:

Do you think the Wii U will at least do better this year, with Smash Bros, X, MK8, and Bayonetta 2?

Depends on how far away the release dates are and Nintendos marketing is. Well get a good idea of how the year will play out in June.

Nintendo has done these last two years following bad E3 pressers.

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Sleepingmudkip

Nintendo needs more First-party developers for lost games such as F-Zero and Star Fox and this E3 needs to blow our minds

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MuchoMochi

Sleepingmudkip wrote:

Nintendo needs more First-party developers for lost games such as F-Zero and Star Fox and this E3 needs to blow our minds

I can't tell you how bad I want a Star Fox and F-Zero. Also since they did a Legend of Zelda game in the style of a Link to the Past, I want a 2D Metroid game akin to Super Metroid or Metroid Fusion. I'm not holding my breath though until I hear something with actual evidence.

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RancidVomit86

@MuchoMochi I know that wasn't your point I just had to take advantage of the situation.

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shingi_70 wrote:

VG_Addict wrote:

Do you think the Wii U will at least do better this year, with Smash Bros, X, MK8, and Bayonetta 2?

Depends on how far away the release dates are and Nintendos marketing is. Well get a good idea of how the year will play out in June. Nintendo has done these last two years following bad E3 pressers.

I don't think E3 matters nearly as much as people think it does. What matters more is their actual output in terms of software.

As for it being about "timing" I don't buy that argument at all. The big games last year for the Wii U were Mario, Pikmin, The Wonderful 101 and a Zelda remake. This year so far we know of the ones mentioned (Smash, Kart, X, Bayonetta) but we've also had DK already and there's likely to be something else. Even if we just go with the Wii versions of Smash, Kart and DK and compare it to the Wii versions of Mario, Pikmin, Zelda you're talking 50mill vs 20mill. That's before even considering whether or not Bayonetta and X mean more than W101 and also assuming that they have nothing else to show......

So objectively this year is at least twice as big in terms of sales potential compared to last year. No question about it, this year will be bigger. I don't think timing or their showing at E3 makes a lick of difference. Thems the numbers.

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shingi_70

I'd day E3 matters a lot. Last year I had a ton of people chatting up the new consoles which were in the post E3 media while the Wii U got pushed to the side since no one really covered the direct.

Doesn't the games infer on the actual system. All the games you said did jack for thrbgamecube and the Eii U is in a much worse position.

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skywake

shingi_70 wrote:

I'd day E3 matters a lot. Last year I had a ton of people chatting up the new consoles which were in the post E3 media while the Wii U got pushed to the side since no one really covered the direct.

And people didn't cover the pre-show stuff done for the PS4/XBOne? Or that youtube vid Sony put up having a dig at trading games? Maybe the reason they covered the Nintendo Direct less than the other stuff was because the other stuff was significantly more interesting. Perhaps something to do with the fact that they were about console launches. Just maybe.

Remember Nintendo at that E3 where they spent half the show on Wii Music? They didn't get much positive coverage for that either. Like how Apple didn't suddenly fold when they started doing their own thing rather than leaning on CES. Or how again, Microsoft and Sony are doing their own thing also.

shingi_70 wrote:

Doesn't the games infer on the actual system. All the games you said did jack for thrbgamecube and the Eii U is in a much worse position.

That wasn't the question being asked and I wasn't saying these games will necessarily turn things around. The question was simply will 2014 be bigger than 2013 and 2012 for the Wii U. The answer is obviously yes because Smash, Kart and DK sell more than Mario, Zelda and Pikmin and have done consistently. That's before you consider the value of X and Bayonetta or any other stuffs they might have. So case closed, end of discussion.

Saying "well it depends on timing" or something is nonsense. Kart in particular has been in the top 3 best selling game on every platform it has appeared on since the SNES. Well every platform except the GBA where it was beaten by a bunch of Pokemans games. So to say that this isn't the case first you'd have to explain why at the very least people think of Kart differently now than they did a couple of years ago and for the two decades before that.

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LzWinky

e3 would certainly make an impact on Nintendo's reputation right now. A good conference could turn around opinions and build hype for Nintendo.

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skywake

Unca_Lz wrote:

e3 would certainly make an impact on Nintendo's reputation right now. A good conference could turn around opinions and build hype for Nintendo.

The way it's presented to the average person I don't think the format matters. I know personally that most of the stuff I "consume" during E3 is in the form of trailers and maybe some gameplay videos from the showroom floor. I mean personally I thought their "show" last year was the best one they had done since 2010 and 2011/12 had an actual show....

A series of good Nintendo Directs can make as much of an impact as a good E3. At the end of the day most of the people buying these games haven't watched the show anyways. They at most saw a nice trailer, more often then not they're just looking at the boxart.

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Bolt_Strike

I think E3 will be significant for Nintendo because of the looming threat of Microsoft and Sony. Even though they've already launched their new consoles, they haven't really taken off yet, so this is Nintendo's last chance to make an impression before they get buried by better PS4/One games. Unless Microsoft, Sony, AND all of the third parties blow it, but that's highly doubtful.

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19Robb92

VG_Addict wrote:

Could someone tell me why people want them to go software only? And could someone actually make a case, from a business perspective, why it would be better for them? From an objective business standpoint, how would it be a good idea?

Mario Kart Wii sold 34.4 million units on the Wii. Now imagine the sales of that game on more than one system.

Now imagine the sales of that game on both a Sony platform, MS platform & iOS combined.

That's why investors want Nintendo to do 3rd party stuff. They see the revenue that can be made.

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DefHalan

19Robb92 wrote:

VG_Addict wrote:

Could someone tell me why people want them to go software only? And could someone actually make a case, from a business perspective, why it would be better for them? From an objective business standpoint, how would it be a good idea?

Mario Kart Wii sold 34.4 million units on the Wii. Now imagine the sales of that game on more than one system.

Now imagine the sales of that game on both a Sony platform, MS platform & iOS combined.

That's why investors want Nintendo to do 3rd party stuff. They see the revenue that can be made.

Is there a push from investors to go 3rd Party? I have seen some reports of investors casually talking about mobile platforms but I haven't seen investors wanting to push for 3rd Party.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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BenAV

I wouldn't completely object to them becoming handheld only, as since the 3DS came out I've found myself spending an increasing amount of time on it and less time on my console games, despite not having any lack of them to play.
I'd much prefer that over them going third party, as I don't particularly want to invest in the other company's consoles, and I'm never really that fond of their controllers, among other reasons.

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19Robb92

DefHalan wrote:

Is there a push from investors to go 3rd Party? I have seen some reports of investors casually talking about mobile platforms but I haven't seen investors wanting to push for 3rd Party.

No, the ones that do want them to go 3rd party is in the minority. They only manage to grab headlines due to the controversy of the subject.

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