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Topic: why doesn't the WiiU come with AV cables?

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WaveBoy

21. Posted:

LinktotheFuture wrote:

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I just find it annoying that Nintendo doesn't have the option to use RCA sperately as an audio source. Reason being, is because an HDMI passing through a receiver, through another HDMI cable sent to the TV can raise input lag. On my receiver, when using this set up there's noticable audio lag. To correct this on my Bluray player, i just send HDMI(for picture) to my HDTV, and use a Digital Coaxial audio cable(capable of DTS 5.1, same deal as Optical but it doesn't support 96hz HD sound Vs. HDMI) straight to my receiver. The Wii U doesn't even have an optical input....bummer. :p Nintendo wanted to make everything basic, simple and easy. Less fuss, which i totaly understand, but still.

You can possibly fix your lag issue and get audio from your receiver by using the component cables made for the Wii, but sold seperately. It's what I do to get 1080p on the TV (component cables plugged directly into the TV) and no lag through my receiver (Audio plugged directly into the receiver). Unfortunately, no true surround sound in this mode for me without the optical out or buying a new receiver which doesn't have this issue.

Component cables don't provide 1080p, only HDMI does. You are only getting 480p.

I'm pretty sure component is capable of 1080'i', even so HDMI at least on my HDTV provides a crisper/sharper picture in both 720 & 1080, and the picture looks a smidge brighter and more colorful, but my eyes may be tricking me. :p Yeah, you could get an AV extension cable and use the Component cables Red & White Audio cables and hook them straight to your receiver but then you're limmited to Dolby Pro Logic II. But that would probably be ok with me as long as i'm getting HDMI for pq, but again you can't use one specific cable for the picture and the other for audio like you could on the PS3. bummer!

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From Wikipedia: "Component video is capable of carrying various signals, such as 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p and beyond. Many new high definition TVs support the use of component video up to their native resolution."

Though as mentioned, component won't 1080p for Blu-ray, some TV's may limit the resolution, and you might just be better off with HDMI.

Personally, I don't really see what the big deal over 1080p is. Looks pretty much the same as 720p, IMO. Edit: Unless you have a huge TV or sit really close to the screen (Should have had that bit in there in the first place :P)

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Personally, I don't really see what the big deal over 1080p is. Looks pretty much the same as 720p, IMO.

I'd start incorporating vitamin A into my diet.

Though I primarily play on the PC, so I pick up differences in resolution really easily.

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Not only are AV cables not included because HDTVs are the norm nowadays, but I would also guess that the Wii sold so well that Nintendo figured that they could just use the same port as the Wii for not-HDMI hookup, and have the lack of an AV cable not be a problem since you're likely to have a Wii you can raid the cable from. But, if you don't have a Wii or would rather not deprive your Wii of it's ability to display the title screen of Imagine Party Babies (not saying you, or anyone, would play that crap :)), Wii AV cables are relatively inexpensive (especially third party ones, if you're willing to test your luck with those. It's kinda like NoE and NoJ's decision to sell the 3DS XL without an AC adapter; the same adapter has been included with Nintendo handhelds since the DSi three years ago. It was likely you already had one, and if you didn't, you could factor in the cost and pick it up along with the console.

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8BitSamurai wrote:

From Wikipedia: "Component video is capable of carrying various signals, such as 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p and beyond. Many new high definition TVs support the use of component video up to their native resolution."

Though as mentioned, component won't 1080p for Blu-ray, some TV's may limit the resolution, and you might just be better off with HDMI.

Personally, I don't really see what the big deal over 1080p is. Looks pretty much the same as 720p, IMO.

Yeah, i mean it depends. When you're stuck with a 60" plasma and you're at a reasonable distance, you'll be wanting that extra 1080p, trust me. 720p still looks really good, but 1080p will make you saw "wow" on a set this large, the diffeence is very noticable. But yup, you just can't really appreciate 1080p on smaller sized HDTV's unless you're sitting a lot closer to the screen. 55" i'd say is the 1080p sweet spot. If anything, i wish 60 frames per second would be the standard for all videogames, than we wouldn't be seeing that nasty frame doubleing which is what happens when you play 30fps based titles on an HDTV. it's far less noticable on LCD and LED's because the stupid motion blur hides it all, but on a plasma because the motion handeling is a lot better, the frame doubleing becomes painfully obvious. :p I mostly play nintendo games, and the majority of their games thankfully are rocking 60fps hehe.

And yeah, 1080p wont work on my HDTV with component cables, it's just limmited to 1080i, and the problem with that is that the HDTV has to de-interlace and that introduces more input lag which i've also noticed. Interlaced 'anything' on my HDTV bumps up that pesky lag, so if i were forced to use component i'd opt for 720p instead. But the S60 yields no difference between component or HDMI in terms of input lag, so HDMI it tis'

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We only got HDTV's last year(or late 2011)
SO i still have 2 SD tv's and 2 HD(THe Wii U had to be set up in the living rooms HDTV even though it took lots of convincing towards my parents to let me set it up there)

I feel for this guy not having the right cables but im pretty sure they are cheap now

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27. Posted:

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I should expand further to explain that the reason this myth that components cannot do 1080p exists is because BLURAY copy right protection does not allow 1080p over analogue and I've heard, but never withness that some TV sets will also not decode 1080p from an analogue source. The Wii U of course does not use BLURAY and my TV doesn't have this problem which I have never seen.

1080p over HDMI will appear a little crisper if you're analyzing the image, but for those of us who don't have this option or get better performance using other means, components are more than capable of 1080p. Don't take my word for it, dig deep enough on the internet and you will find the facts beyond the plethora of misinformed posts stating otherwise.

I've used component cables with my PS3 and I have played blu-ray movies in 1080p with it. I used component back when I used to record video games because the PS3 is HDCP complaint so it didn't work with the capture card I had. I use HDMI for my Wii U, although I switch to component when I want to record something. I play on a 65'' TV so I can see all of the details pretty easily, and the difference between component and HDMI (in 1080p) really isn't much at all. It's hardly noticeable.

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I've used component cables with my PS3 and I have played blu-ray movies in 1080p with it. I used component back when I used to record video games because the PS3 is HDCP complaint so it didn't work with the capture card I had. I use HDMI for my Wii U, although I switch to component when I want to record something. I play on a 65'' TV so I can see all of the details pretty easily, and the difference between component and HDMI (in 1080p) really isn't much at all. It's hardly noticeable.

Interesting post that outlines one of the major reasons why people believe component cannot do 1080p. The industry wants you to use HDMI, so that they can prevent you from easily recording the feed. It's great to see actual facts posted on the internet so you can learn rather than be misinformed! Thanks @PloXyZeRO.

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Yeah, i mean it depends. When you're stuck with a 60" plasma and you're at a reasonable distance, you'll be wanting that extra 1080p, trust me. 720p still looks really good, but 1080p will make you saw "wow" on a set this large, the diffeence is very noticable. But yup, you just can't really appreciate 1080p on smaller sized HDTV's unless you're sitting a lot closer to the screen. 55" i'd say is the 1080p sweet spot. If anything, i wish 60 frames per second would be the standard for all videogames, than we wouldn't be seeing that nasty frame doubleing which is what happens when you play 30fps based titles on an HDTV. it's far less noticable on LCD and LED's because the stupid motion blur hides it all, but on a plasma because the motion handeling is a lot better, the frame doubleing becomes painfully obvious. :p I mostly play nintendo games, and the majority of their games thankfully are rocking 60fps hehe.

And yeah, 1080p wont work on my HDTV with component cables, it's just limmited to 1080i, and the problem with that is that the HDTV has to de-interlace and that introduces more input lag which i've also noticed. Interlaced 'anything' on my HDTV bumps up that pesky lag, so if i were forced to use component i'd opt for 720p instead. But the S60 yields no difference between component or HDMI in terms of input lag, so HDMI it tis'

IMO the best way to see how much better 1080p is, is to watch the end credits on a movie where they font is white and the background is pure black. Then you're going to see just how much better 1080p is vs 720p on your setup. Like you said, it depends a lot on your setup and hardware.

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30. Posted:

[quote=WaveBoy][quote=LinktotheFuture]

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Component cables don't provide 1080p, only HDMI does. You are only getting 480p.

Not the case. My setup is getting 1080p with components. I am able to see the difference. Nothing is a given with technology, but components can do 1080p.

I sit corrected, my apologies.

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To answer the title, because it's 2013.

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32. Posted:

Because it comes with the much more superior HDMI cable. Seriously dude, upgrade your tv if your still using AV cables lol

@LinktotheFuture Component can only display as high as 720p, unfortunately :(

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33. Posted:

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LinktotheFuture wrote:

WaveBoy wrote:

LinktotheFuture wrote:

Component cables don't provide 1080p, only HDMI does. You are only getting 480p.

Not the case. My setup is getting 1080p with components. I am able to see the difference. Nothing is a given with technology, but components can do 1080p.

I sit corrected, my apologies.

No need to apologize, but what a class move to admit you made a mistake. =).

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34. Posted:

Do I really have to buy an HDTV just to play a Wii U?

It's bad enough that I can't even afford the Wii U off the bat, I really don't feel like buying a TV that would up and die in 2-5 years.

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35. Posted:

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You can use Wii composite cables, I believe :)

Edit: I checked the manual, and yup, you can. The manual is on Nintendo's website, so you can see for yourself :P

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36. Posted:

JusticeColde wrote:

Do I really have to buy an HDTV just to play a Wii U?

It's bad enough that I can't even afford the Wii U off the bat, I really don't feel like buying a TV that would up and die in 2-5 years.

No you can buy A/V cables here:
http://store.nintendo.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDi...

Here is the Wii U parts list:
http://store.nintendo.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryD...

They just kinda figure people have HDTVs by now, but you can still play it on SDTVs using the Wii cables.

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@JusticeColde
on the flipside, if you do plan on playing your wii on an SDTV, you will have zero input lag and perfect motion handeling. :p And it will be perfect for the Wii U's virtual console. Just a heads up, the best budget 2013 LED with the lowest amount of lag goes to this years Samsung F5000 series, rocking in at 21ms with the leo B input lag test. The best plasma? That would be the Pansonic S60 which has 34ms. You could get that LED in 32" for a little over $400, while a 42" S60 plasma will run you a whoppin' $799.

The plasma will completely smoke the sammy led though in terms of black levels(The s60's are outstanding), motion handeling, viewing angles and color saturation. But the LED has it's own set of advantages, including it's lower input lag.

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38. Posted:

I think it's pretty interesting that this thread exists given that I was watching a couple of PC guys talk about HDMI in a video I was watching the other day. Not sure where it was, could have been anywhere so I won't bother linking. Their comment was that HDMI sucked believe it or not and personally I tend to agree with them.

The difference was that their complaint was that HDMI was not high bandwidth enough for post 1080p signals and the connector is kinda average. Especially for micro-HDMI. Compared to displayport and DVI it's by far the worst of the major current PC video connectors. Compared to Composite, Component, S-Vid, VGA and SCART however.......

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OKMG EVrYONE LeTS SWITch TO DISPlay P0RT

Since we're (sort of) on the topic of cheap HDTVs...I would highly recommend Sanyo. I got a 42'' 1080p Sanyo LCD HDTV from Best Buy I think? ...Anyway, it was like $300 and it's probably the best HDTV we've ever had for the price. It has a game mode so very low input lag (hardly noticeable IF you can even notice it), many audio/video options to get the sound and colors you want, VERY nice image quality (I put a checkerboard pattern on the TV where each square was just one pixel, and each pixel was sharp and not blurry at all), no overscan (although you can zoom in on the screen and change the aspect ratio if you'd like), and it also has various audio outputs which is great because I use external speakers. It's probably the best 1080p TV you can get for that price in my opinion.

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OKMG EVrYONE LeTS SWITch TO DISPlay P0RT

Easy to joke but it is true. SCART, Composite, Component and VGA are all analogue connectors so the sooner they're gone the better. The three others on the table are DVI, HDMI and Display Port. Out of those Display Port wins. Simple as that... but we're stuck with HDMI... at least until 4K really takes off....

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