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81. Posted:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

"Because people are stupid enough to waste their time hating on a video game console for any real amount of time" should be the default answer.

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I think Nintendo gets a lot of hate among gamers because the company and a lot of its figureheads come off as either arrogant, oblivious, or sometimes as though they are actively working against being beholden to gamers' best interests.

Reggie has made multiple comments about fans' interests playing little to no part in the company's decisions. Miyamoto will off-handedly dismiss Minecraft as if he doesn't really even know what it is, and doesn't care. He'll say things like, "F-zero, I'm surprised people even care about that series!? (not verbatim). We get bread crumbs like "oh yeah we'll probably get around to making a Metroid game soon" after literally everyone was holding their breath for signs of a Metroid U titles for BOTH of the last E3s.

They refuse to adopt cross-buy or solid account systems or multiplayer chat. And they are pretty unapologetic about most of it. Simply telling the media they have no interest in it at this time, or they don't see the value... That comes off like a slap in the face to a lot of people, and seems as though they are out of touch with the pulse of gaming. I think things are getting better, but the big N works in strange ways. This "New" 3DS is already getting a boatload of bad press, and unfortunately most of the critisism seems justified.

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83. Posted:

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& the reason why Nintendo is being hated so much is because of one person — Mr. Satora Iwata. I'm going to be honest here, I Love Nintendo, big diehard ever since i was a kid and still am but Mr. Iwata doesn't seem to be doing his job very good job at the matter of 3rd parties support. That's the way I feel, he's not doing his job. Its his fault that us Nintendo owners don't see 3rd-parties games that we have to result to other platforms. I stand by on what I just said. HE'S NOT DOING HIS JOB!!!

You get a Wii U yet?

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Because of the Dreamcast curse. It simply won't go away.

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SCAR392 wrote:

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People just don't understand it. Even if Wii U had Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed as exclusives, people(specifically fans of whatever else) still wouldn't buy it. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who thinks Wii U is "weak" or "inferior" is automatically out of the discussion.

I think you are trying to defend Nintendo but your point works the other way. The fact that people arent buying Assassin's Creed and CoD on Wii U is because Nintendo cant manage to attract consumers outside the Nintendo faithful. That's a problem for Nintendo, not the consumer. This sort of arrogant stance against popular games like CoD and people being wrong for be interested in graphics is getting childish.

I'm not criticising graphics or CoD. I'm saying that people would still buy PS4 even if it didn't have CoD, or even if had worse graphics, so what does any of this matter about?

Forgive me, but I hardly believe it....

I don't see why a potential WiiU with real next gen hardware, easy to port titles on, with a complete and constant line-up of 3rd parties big games, wouldn't have outsold the other 2 consoles...

Starting from myself, I would have never consider to get a ps4 to play all the tiles I cannot play on WiiU....

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86. Posted:

gage_wolf wrote:

I think Nintendo gets a lot of hate among gamers because the company and a lot of its figureheads come off as either arrogant, oblivious, or sometimes as though they are actively working against being beholden to gamers' best interests.

Reggie has made multiple comments about fans' interests playing little to no part in the company's decisions. Miyamoto will off-handedly dismiss Minecraft as if he doesn't really even know what it is, and doesn't care. He'll say things like, "F-zero, I'm surprised people even care about that series!? (not verbatim). We get bread crumbs like "oh yeah we'll probably get around to making a Metroid game soon" after literally everyone was holding their breath for signs of a Metroid U titles for BOTH of the last E3s.

They refuse to adopt cross-buy or solid account systems or multiplayer chat. And they are pretty unapologetic about most of it. Simply telling the media they have no interest in it at this time, or they don't see the value... That comes off like a slap in the face to a lot of people, and seems as though they are out of touch with the pulse of gaming. I think things are getting better, but the big N works in strange ways. This "New" 3DS is already getting a boatload of bad press, and unfortunately most of the critisism seems justified.

Agree with you.... the harsh relationship between N and developers is history, starting from the SNES era.... that and the fact they have alwas to be "different" brough Nintendo to the nowadays situation.... I believe this market, eroded by smartphones and tablets, has not so much room for being too "different".... and sales charts and results at the last investors meetings seems to confirm that...

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87. Posted:

gage_wolf wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

People just don't understand it. Even if Wii U had Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed as exclusives, people(specifically fans of whatever else) still wouldn't buy it. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who thinks Wii U is "weak" or "inferior" is automatically out of the discussion.

I think you are trying to defend Nintendo but your point works the other way. The fact that people arent buying Assassin's Creed and CoD on Wii U is because Nintendo cant manage to attract consumers outside the Nintendo faithful. That's a problem for Nintendo, not the consumer. This sort of arrogant stance against popular games like CoD and people being wrong for be interested in graphics is getting childish.

For me, the only reason I have not purchased COD, is because it is not available digitally. I quite like the idea of one person using TV and one person using game pad for local 2 player. I also like playing with wiimote pointer controls. But I am going all digital this gen. I do have AC3/4, but only because of eShop sale (I would not have purchased at full price because the Wii U AC games are bug fested lazy ports)

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88. Posted:

gage_wolf wrote:

I think Nintendo gets a lot of hate among gamers because the company and a lot of its figureheads come off as either arrogant, oblivious, or sometimes as though they are actively working against being beholden to gamers' best interests.

Reggie has made multiple comments about fans' interests playing little to no part in the company's decisions. Miyamoto will off-handedly dismiss Minecraft as if he doesn't really even know what it is, and doesn't care. He'll say things like, "F-zero, I'm surprised people even care about that series!? (not verbatim). We get bread crumbs like "oh yeah we'll probably get around to making a Metroid game soon" after literally everyone was holding their breath for signs of a Metroid U titles for BOTH of the last E3s.

They refuse to adopt cross-buy or solid account systems or multiplayer chat. And they are pretty unapologetic about most of it. Simply telling the media they have no interest in it at this time, or they don't see the value... That comes off like a slap in the face to a lot of people, and seems as though they are out of touch with the pulse of gaming. I think things are getting better, but the big N works in strange ways. This "New" 3DS is already getting a boatload of bad press, and unfortunately most of the critisism seems justified.

You are spot on with cross buy account system. I have stopped buying 3DS VC hoping that this will eventually happen

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89. Posted:

Graphics, aren't as powerful as XB1, PS4.

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90. Posted:

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There are more people questioning why the Wii U is hated so much, than there are actual people hating the system.

We question it because the "hatred" doesn't make any sense. The Wii U is an excellent system. I think there's more hatred coming from developers than it coming from consumers, and it's because they NEED it to fail. Developers can't afford to spend resources making games for more than one platform. There are only two platforms that games are made in now: PC (x86), and Nintendo. Developers have, very clearly, made their choice and public opinion derives from this choice. But I don't think it has to do with the system itself, or even with the usual Nintendo franchises.

This is just the economy of the gaming industry: One (encoding) platform to rule them all.

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micronean wrote:

Octane wrote:

There are more people questioning why the Wii U is hated so much, than there are actual people hating the system.

We question it because the "hatred" doesn't make any sense. The Wii U is an excellent system. I think there's more hatred coming from developers than it coming from consumers, and it's because they NEED it to fail. Developers can't afford to spend resources making games for more than one platform. There are only two platforms that games are made in now: PC (x86), and Nintendo. Developers have, very clearly, made their choice and public opinion derives from this choice. But I don't think it has to do with the system itself, or even with the usual Nintendo franchises.

This is just the economy of the gaming industry: One (encoding) platform to rule them all.

I believe if only Nintendo came out with a standard x86 architecture for WiiU, this mess would have never happened....

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92. Posted:

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Forgive me, but I hardly believe it....

I don't see why a potential WiiU with real next gen hardware, easy to port titles on, with a complete and constant line-up of 3rd parties big games, wouldn't have outsold the other 2 consoles...

Starting from myself, I would have never consider to get a ps4 to play all the tiles I cannot play on WiiU....

I don't even get what you're saying. I thought you bought a PS4 specifically to buy games that wouldn't be on Wii U. My main point is that PS and Xbox fans were never going to be swayed by Nintendo. These are only the people who choose one console and stick by it. A "hardcore" PS4 fan isn't going to care about Halo, Sunset Overdrive, Kinect, or whatever else, regardless of how good those products are.

The same goes for Wii U people, I see tons of hate for Xbox One, but they won't hate it once they get it from Santa or something like that. Everyone's just ridiculous.

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SCAR392 wrote:

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Forgive me, but I hardly believe it....

I don't see why a potential WiiU with real next gen hardware, easy to port titles on, with a complete and constant line-up of 3rd parties big games, wouldn't have outsold the other 2 consoles...

Starting from myself, I would have never consider to get a ps4 to play all the tiles I cannot play on WiiU....

I don't even get what you're saying. I thought you bought a PS4 specifically to buy games that wouldn't be on Wii U. My main point is that PS and Xbox fans were never going to be swayed by Nintendo. These are only the people who choose one console and stick by it. A "hardcore" PS4 fan isn't going to care about Halo, Sunset Overdrive, Kinect, or whatever else, regardless of how good those products are.

The same goes for Wii U people, I see tons of hate for Xbox One, but they won't hate it once they get it from Santa or something like that. Everyone's just ridiculous.

I meant that if WiiU would have showcased a powerful hardware (comparable to ps4 and xbox1) and coming one year before the other two, I am pretty sure some "hardcore gamers" would have migrate from ps3 and xbox360 to wiiU and not just skipping it because it's "Nintendo, i don't care". Be4 getting my WiiU, I was on different forums collecting impressions, the main think you would have read from ps3/360 users was "wow, it cames 7 years after ps3 and it is barely comparable in terms of power, what crap!" (or something similar). I mean that was the original sin from Nintendo, targetting hardcore gamers with a console that had no appeal to them... instead of rising the specs.... in that case, pretty sure, much more ppl would have jumped on the boat...of course there are zealots and fundamentalists on any console, but I believe the big crowd just choose for each gen theu console that appeals them more, (as u can see, again, on forums, it's plenty of people who jumped from xbox to ps4 this gen). In this, WiiU was a huge failure...

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94. Posted:

"was on different forums collecting impressions"
read: a small minority at best

and most of the gamers on the sites I still visit (read: not just Nintendo ones) don't give a crap, so...my information contradicts your information anyway

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That also isn't the entire story, either. It depends on what people want from the specs. If people want a specified PC as their main console(which is what Xbox One and PS4 are), then Wii U's specs aren't going to do anything for them, even if it had more RAM or a bigger CPU.

People jumping from Xbox to PS doesn't really have much of anything to do with Nintendo, though, unless they jumped from Nintendo to Xbox or Xbox to Nintendo, then to PS. I've jumped around a few times. I liked Xbox and GCN in 6th gen, then I liked PS3 and Wii, but didn't like PSP. I've always stuck with Nintendo, and the fight for what I care more for has always been between PS and Xbox. The same thing could be for Xbox people, They might decide that PS4 isn't what they thought it would be after some time, and go buy a Wii U, too, or maybe people with PS4 will decide that a PC or Steambox will be better next to their PS than Wii U. Considering people care about the graphics of PS4 so much, it's far more likely they won't even care about Wii U or Xbox One ever and just get a PC, as mentioned.

It just doesn't make sense to be throwing some of these consoles together into the same general category, in the first place.

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gage_wolf wrote:

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People just don't understand it. Even if Wii U had Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed as exclusives, people(specifically fans of whatever else) still wouldn't buy it. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who thinks Wii U is "weak" or "inferior" is automatically out of the discussion.

I think you are trying to defend Nintendo but your point works the other way. The fact that people arent buying Assassin's Creed and CoD on Wii U is because Nintendo cant manage to attract consumers outside the Nintendo faithful. That's a problem for Nintendo, not the consumer. This sort of arrogant stance against popular games like CoD and people being wrong for be interested in graphics is getting childish.

For me, the only reason I have not purchased COD, is because it is not available digitally. I quite like the idea of one person using TV and one person using game pad for local 2 player. I also like playing with wiimote pointer controls. But I am going all digital this gen. I do have AC3/4, but only because of eShop sale (I would not have purchased at full price because the Wii U AC games are bug fested lazy ports)

I get where you're coming from, but Activision is avoiding to publish games on the eShop on purpose. They can better scale demand for their products by restricting them to retail better than if a game is on the eShop. Online stores on every platform are very widely known, so if someone goes to the store and buys CoD for Wii U, it's likely they know the game exists and specifically went to the store for that game.

According to Nintendo's Unity presentation, 70%+ people are going to the eShop on a regular basis, so Activision knows anyone who buys their game is probably aware that it isn't on the eShop and will buy it at the store. The same thing goes for games like Spongebob and Skylanders. They force you to the store, because now they have more control of demand. They make products on a need be basis. CoD Black Ops II didn't even have that many copies made in the first place. They probably made around 20 million copies for Xbox 360 and PS3 on launch, but Wii U only had like 100,000 copies at most, so they never expected it to sell nearly as well.

EDIT: I know this doesn't exactly have much to do with your post, but your wanting to buy CoD on the eShop means you weren't willing to buy CoD at the store, which is what they intended you to do if you actually wanted the game(to have control of demand,as mentioned).

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Because those people have a horrible taste in gaming

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98. Posted:

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Still love my Ninety titles, but on a value basis, PS4 > Wii U

I can't agree with you on that for the sole fact that over half of the PS4's library is either a port/remake from PS3 (Tomb Raider and The Last of Us for example) or coming out on PS3 at the same time (Destiny, Resident Evil, Watch_Dogs).

At least with the Wii U, you're NOT getting a handful of Wii games ported with slightly better graphics nor are you simply getting a game you could have bought on your Wii for the same experience. For people who own a PS3 or 360, it's a harder sell unless they love 1st party titles, but I'd say it SHOULD be a harder sell to get them to upgrade to One or PS4.

My brother got me a 360 at the beginning of the summer. If I wanted, I could get Titanfall, Watch_Dogs, Destiny, Tomb Raider, Call of Duty, and a wide range of other titles coming to the One without dropping $500 (now $400) on a new console with no means to play my old games except keeping my old console, which, why upgrade if I can get the same games without spending half a grand?

If you've never owned a PS3 or 360, I can only understand a little bit why one would go for the One or PS4 as opposed to their older siblings which are $200 cheaper and have more games as well as the same games for the next year or two with a few exceptions.

Sure, the Wii U has sequels to Wii games, but it's not like the Wii U's launch window was The Conduit 2 HD, NSMBW HD, Super Mario Galaxy Definitive Edition, and Skyward Sword Remastered.

EDIT: Right after I posted this, an ad for Diablo III popped up. Available on 360, PS3, One, and PS4. Why waste $400 for a marginally better experience?

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99. Posted:

kyuubikid213 wrote:

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Still love my Ninety titles, but on a value basis, PS4 > Wii U

I can't agree with you on that for the sole fact that over half of the PS4's library is either a port/remake from PS3 (Tomb Raider and The Last of Us for example) or coming out on PS3 at the same time (Destiny, Resident Evil, Watch_Dogs).

At least with the Wii U, you're NOT getting a handful of Wii games ported with slightly better graphics nor are you simply getting a game you could have bought on your Wii for the same experience. For people who own a PS3 or 360, it's a harder sell unless they love 1st party titles, but I'd say it SHOULD be a harder sell to get them to upgrade to One or PS4.

My brother got me a 360 at the beginning of the summer. If I wanted, I could get Titanfall, Watch_Dogs, Destiny, Tomb Raider, Call of Duty, and a wide range of other titles coming to the One without dropping $500 (now $400) on a new console with no means to play my old games except keeping my old console, which, why upgrade if I can get the same games without spending half a grand?

If you've never owned a PS3 or 360, I can only understand a little bit why one would go for the One or PS4 as opposed to their older siblings which are $200 cheaper and have more games as well as the same games for the next year or two with a few exceptions.

Sure, the Wii U has sequels to Wii games, but it's not like the Wii U's launch window was The Conduit 2 HD, NSMBW HD, Super Mario Galaxy Definitive Edition, and Skyward Sword Remastered.

EDIT: Right after I posted this, an ad for Diablo III popped up. Available on 360, PS3, One, and PS4. Why waste $400 for a marginally better experience?

What you say is right, but is becoming less effective months after months of new releases... already now many games are coming out with different characteristics btw ps3 and ps4 versions (same for xbox360 and xbox1). Sony declared they will support ps3 till early 2016, but before that psn will be able to stream on ps4 all the games (or the most part) from ps3 library, so for me, there was no choise, got the ps4 (I only had WiiU before)

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@kyuubikid213 I understand what you are saying however you have to look at the facts the PS4 has over 100 games coming out this year yes a lot of those are Indies but Nintendo is pushing the Indie games at us as well so they count. There is currently 10 exclusive titles for the PS4 coming out this year some are out and im not counting the third party multi platform games.... Fact is WII U's library is small and doesn't seem to be getting any larger the first party games are great but the WII U was ment to be Nintendo's PS3/360 a console that had everything but its ended up a console that is only being supported by first party games from Nintendo owned studio's.

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