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Cheaptrick

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19Robb92 wrote:

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COD is not a casual title. It's not for mainstream gamers. I have all but one COD games from COD: Modern Warfare 4 all on PC & I know it's not for casual gamers. Casual gamers won't play this kind of FPS shooters for its stiff learning curve. Casual gamers will get owned in the game.

I'm mostly talking about the console versions, the PC version is the least best selling of the bunch I believe. It's understandable that competition is more fierce on PC since causals usually play on consoles for the simplicity.

It's even worst on console due to the game controller option as opposed to mouse/keyboard combination. The learning curve is even higher. I fared well playing the game on PC than on Wii U.

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COD is not a casual title. It's not for mainstream gamers. I have all but one COD games from COD: Modern Warfare 4 all on PC & I know it's not for casual gamers. Casual gamers won't play this kind of FPS shooters for its stiff learning curve. Casual gamers will get owned in the game.

...oh dear...um...
1. It is a mainstream game for mainstream gamers. This is the least possible to deny thing ever. Every game (barring maybe World at War?) since Modern Warfare has been one of the best selling games of that year, like top 5. I don't think anything in the past 7 years outsells it outside of Angry Birds, Minecraft and the most successful Mario and Wii series games.
2. There is no Modern Warfare 4. There is a Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.
3. While the Angry Birds or Bejeweled demographic might not be interested, if players can play an FPS game at all, I think they can get into it relatively easily.
4. Call of Duty has no stiff learning curve, at least to be good enough in both single player and multiplayer. In the time I had with Modern Warfare in particular I became relatively good online as I did with basically any other online game but in like 1/10 the time.

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In the time I had with Modern Warfare in particular I became relatively good online as I did with basically any other online game but in like 1/10 the time.

You don't even have to become good at the game for it to be enjoyable IMO. It's very clever in its design, rewarding you for doing pretty much anything. That's what matters, as long as you feel rewarded you'll enjoy it. Which is why it has been a huge hit among casuals and mainstream players.

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19Robb92 wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

In the time I had with Modern Warfare in particular I became relatively good online as I did with basically any other online game but in like 1/10 the time.

You don't even have to become good at the game for it to be enjoyable IMO. It's very clever in its design, rewarding you for doing pretty much anything. That's what matters, as long as you feel rewarded you'll enjoy it. Which is why it has been a huge hit among casuals and mainstream players.

I didn't get that as much as some people but I can see that I guess.

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Nintendo fans have no interest in titles that aren't from Nintendo. Which is why COD, or most 3rd party titles, won't sell.

I do see that here. People seems to rather talk about Mario & Luigi if not Monster Hunter & Lego City. For a 40 something y.o. gamer like me I have little to no desire in talking much more playing Mario or Luigi game nor Monster Hunter or Lego City.

What about Sonic, Injustice, Tekken, and Batman?
Lets go back to NES-SNES days when Nintendo had all the 3rd party games. Those are great examples of 3rd party games selling on Nintendo systems.
I've gamed on Nintendo platforms all my life until last gen with Xbox 360 and PS3.
I played all the Xbox 360 and PS3 exclusives with multiplats here and there.
I just think once more 3rd party games show up on Wii U, people will accept them as Nintendo games, which we couldn't have said last gen for the most part.
I for one, want RE, Dead Rising, Metal Gear, etc. Anything could show up on Wii U and I'd consider it, but having a big title like COD come without DLC is a big hit on how Wii U gamers will look at how that series continues, and may have already done too much damage for many to buy another COD game for Wii U.
I can pretty much guarantee that if COD BO 2 never gets DLC, and the next entry doesn't show up on Wii U at all(or without DLC again), Activision will lose all support from Wii U owners.

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Did someone say COD is not for mainstream gamers? LOL.

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COD isn't for mainstream gamers? COD titles are literally four of the five best selling 360 games. It's more mainstream than Halo and GTA. Not for "casual" gamers? What is your definition of "casual gamer" that allows you to make that claim? Something other than a gamer that only sometimes plays games? A gamer who only buys one or two games a year?

As for the "Wii U is not next-gen" point. It depends on how they want to use the word. The fact that when asked about Wii U they responded by saying that they weren't going to talk about "next-gen consoles" says to me that they are calling the Wii U next gen. The idea that a console generation is defined by level of power is something that was invented by the fanboy wars. It would be odd to release a game for 360/PS3/PS4/720 and not Wii U. If the argument is for lack of power why do 360/PS3? If the argument is for lack of instal base then they wouldn't do PS4/720.

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LOL, I know a lot about COD as I played most of COD games including the older COD WWII game. I even run couple of Modern Warfare game servers in the past. COD, BHD, MOH, Battlefield & Far Cry games are the games I mostly played. COD is not for causual gamers. Casual gamers will stop playing it & will stay away from FPS after getting owned on MP. You'll get owned on this game if you don't play it regulary. I stopped playing this game for close to a month & when I came back I need some adjustments cuz I got owned. This game needs to get played regularly or you'll lost your edge. It's no casual game.

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For people who thinks COD is for casual gamers, this people never played COD games.

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Any game could be considered "not for mainstream gamers" if you're trying to be the best in the world. COD appeals to many gamers. It is almost the definition of a "mainstream" game. You don't have to play it at a near professional level to enjoy the game. You do not have to be a hardcore gamer to enjoy it.

Just because you personally try to play it at a "hardcore" level against "hardcore" players, doesn't mean the game itself is "hardcore" only.

Oh wait, you're the guy who guaranteed Iwata was going to be fired a few weeks ago and claimed people who thought otherwise were in denial or something, right? Living in your own reality.

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skywake wrote:

If the argument is for lack of instal base then they wouldn't do PS4/720.

Maybe.

Black Ops Wii U underperformed (which is true but hardcore Nintendo fans are not exactly the ideal Call of Duty customer...) is the main issue. PS4/720 are at least unproven I guess and there's other reasons. There's some logic there...I think.

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If we don't even get the zombies maps for Black Ops 2, why should I care?

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But anyway we're getting off topic. We were discussing the importance of fish ghosts in our FPS. Now I believe it could be good but this could be great. No more relying on underwater gameplay, ghost cod wouldn't need water anymore! Its perfect, just what the series needed.

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You don't have to play it at a near professional level to enjoy the game. You do not have to be a hardcore gamer to enjoy it.

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You won't enjoy playing COD causally cuz you'll get killed everytime. It's pure run & gun & have a stiff learning curve to play. It's not for everybody. You must be something of a gamer if you enjoy playing a game where you get killed all the time.

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Cheaptrick wrote:

MetallicDonkey wrote:

You don't have to play it at a near professional level to enjoy the game. You do not have to be a hardcore gamer to enjoy it.

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You won't enjoy playing COD causally cuz you'll get killed everytime. It's pure run & gun & have a stiff learning curve to play. It's not for everybody. You must be something of a gamer if you enjoy playing a game where you get killed all the time.

Sir, you're off topic.

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Cheaptrick wrote:

MetallicDonkey wrote:

You don't have to play it at a near professional level to enjoy the game. You do not have to be a hardcore gamer to enjoy it.

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You won't enjoy playing COD causally cuz you'll get killed everytime. It's pure run & gun & have a stiff learning curve to play. It's not for everybody. You must be something of a gamer if you enjoy playing a game where you get killed all the time.

Eh, I just think you need to look up the definition of "mainstream", man.

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Buy Black Ops 2 on Wii U & play on the MP. Let me know how you go with it before you say it's for casual gamers.

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It's worth noting that pretty much everything on Wii U that didn't have "Mario" or "Nintendo" in the title underperformed. The console just doesn't have the instal base and people interested in these games already have other ways of playing it. Also worth noting that the other big titles that are going cross-generational at the end of the year (AC4, Watch Dogs) are confirmed for Wii U. It's not like Assassin's Creed 3 did better on Wii U than COD:BO2 did.

On a tangent, I didn't get COD:BO2 and am not at all interested in Ghosts. However I will be getting Watch Dogs, I did get Assassin's Creed 3 and am not at all interested in Lego City. However I don't go running around on forums gloating about how my taste in games is "hardcore" compared to others ;)

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@Cheaptrick You're being silly. COD appeals to massive amounts of people. It is one of the most popular and highest-selling video game franchises. People of all ages play it. It is virtually the most mainstream game you can find on the market, excluding iOS games.

Now, if you're saying the casual gamer will not be able to master the game and be one of the elite COD players on the planet, obviously that's true. But that's not the discussion. That's like claiming Super Mario Bros. is hardcore and not mainstream, and as evidence you challenge someone to beat the game in six minutes without ever dying. Yeah, only "hardcore" gamers will be able to do that, but that doesn't mean casual (or mainstream) gamers can't enjoy the game as well.

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If you play the game casually then you can't stand playing it for more than 6 minutes as you get killed almost constantly. COD is not a casual game.

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Buy Black Ops 2 on Wii U & play on the MP. Let me know how you go with it before you say it's for mainstream.

Mainstream: "Used or accepted broadly rather than by a tiny fraction of a population or market"

"The title grossed more than $800 million globally in its first five days of availability, exceeding the $775 million record set by 2011's Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, the $650 million set by 2010's Black Ops and the $550 million one achieved by 2009's Modern Warfare 2. To be exact, it has beaten theatrical box office, book, and video game sales records for five-day worldwide sell-through in dollars"

It's mainstream. End of story.

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