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Topic: What would you do if [insert company here] dropped out of manufacturing gaming systems and became a third party developer? A totally mature discussion.

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kyuubikid213

81. Posted:

shake_zula wrote:

I'll be using it at every opportunity, just as I avoid motion controls at every opportunity with the Wii, but I'm quite sure that a lot of games that I'd like to play will require the tablet just as many Wii games unnecessarily enforced motion controls without offering an alternative scheme (off the top of my head, Prince of Persia, Deadly Creatures and Zelda could all have quite easily included a button-based combat system). Not to mention the fact that the Wii U would probably be a lot cheaper without the tablet.

I used to be against the Wii Motion Controls, too. But then I got Resident Evil 4 and everything changed...

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82. Posted:

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Personally though, I think that the only thing that would happen is Nintendo drop out of the HOME CONSOLE race and go to perfecting the HANDHELD CONSOLES. The GB, GBC, GBA, DS, and 3DS were all smash hits! If Nintendo perfected this (which they already have...) then I would only buy Nintendo handhelds forever.

But Nintendo won't fail. They will be around long enough for my children to enjoy the newest iteration of the Zelda and Mario franchises in 2042.

Exactly what I was thinking.

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83. Posted:

kyuubikid213 wrote:

mamp wrote:

I'm pretty sure we can all agree that none of that was as bad as Plumbers Don't Wear Ties.

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84. Posted:

If Nintendo became a third party developer I'd just buy whatever consoles their games were published for. That's what Sega fans did when their favorite company dropped out of the hardware race, right?

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Thegargoylevine

85. Posted:

When Nintendo drops out of the console race, I'll start gaming on PC.

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sc100

86. Posted:

Of course Nintendo's going to stop making hardware. Haven't you guys heard that we're only going to be playing video games on our phones in the future?

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mamp

87. Posted:

Well if they became a third party Dev I see nothing wrong with it, all it means is that they don't have a console everything else will be the same it's not like Microsoft or Sony can affect what games they make since the properties still belong to Nintendo, if anything they'll be lucky if Nintendo decides to put Mario on their consoles. Some of you act like they'll belong to MS and Sony automatically, they'll still be the same Nintendo they just won't have their own console.
Also they won't become third party so no need to worry and if they did I'm pretty sure it would be a REALLY long time from now.

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shake_zula

88. Posted:

Yeah, I think the main thing to remember here, as was pointed out by someone earlier, is that Sega was killed by two successive console flops. The amount of money Nintendo must have made with the Wii and DS is surely enough to see them through to another generation even if the Wii U is a total failure.

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skywake

89. Posted:

I think it's pretty strange that people talk about the tablet like it's some massive burden that will break controls for "hardcore" games. Last I checked the Wii U controller had two analogue sticks, a D-Pad, four face buttons and four shoulder buttons. It would be like panicking about the addition of a second screen on the DS because it would break the traditional portable controls people got used to on the GBA. Last I checked the vast majority of traditional DS games used the D-Pad and buttons.

The two types of tablet use we're going to see the most of for "hardcore" games on the Wii U are the OoT style inventory thing and the Mario Kart style map. Neither of them are things to complain about if you ask.... well anyone who isn't a braindead idiot.

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90. Posted:

I don't get the point of this topic. How are we supposed to reply in a mature manner when the first post is not only too long, but poorly written with poor points and is ultimately, just a random topic that has nothing to do with anything?

If you want a mature reply then here: I don't care. My life wouldn't be over because video games don't run it. I'd quit playing the garbage and move on.

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skywake

91. Posted:

Maybe the OP meant "mature" in the "the Wii is for kiddies, it dun has any mature games" context. In which case my "mature" response would be:

The Wii U is going to fail hard because Nintendo sucks and when it does keep sucking I'm going to buy like heaps of games on the PS5 because the Nintendo games are going to suck that much.

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shake_zula

92. Posted:

skywake wrote:

I think it's pretty strange that people talk about the tablet like it's some massive burden that will break controls for "hardcore" games. Last I checked the Wii U controller had two analogue sticks, a D-Pad, four face buttons and four shoulder buttons. It would be like panicking about the addition of a second screen on the DS because it would break the traditional portable controls people got used to on the GBA. Last I checked the vast majority of traditional DS games used the D-Pad and buttons.

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many Wii games unnecessarily enforced motion controls without offering an alternative scheme (off the top of my head, Prince of Persia, Deadly Creatures and Zelda could all have quite easily included a button-based combat system)

To anybody who doesn't like motion controls, the lack of option is a burden, and I simply anticipate it being repeated occasionally with the Wii U. Nobody has said that the tablet will "break controls for hardcore games", so I don't see a great need for calling people braindead morons :/ I'm just pointing out that personally I'd rather it wasn't there. It will be expensive and I don't expect to enjoy using it, since I never once enjoyed using the touch screen on the DS or motion controls on the Wii. I'd also prefer a much smaller (and less expensive) default controller. If any of Nintendo's games were released for the 360 they'd be exactly the same, other than being controlled entirely by sticks and buttons, which I would prefer.

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93. Posted:

These specifically abstract hypothetical threads are becoming irksome.

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ADaviii

94. Posted:

To be quite honest, I believe that by the time this happens, Miyamoto will have been long gone and I will have decided to go completely retro by then ;).

But since we are speaking hypothetically, if Nintendo's Wii U were to be the equivalent of Sega's Dreamcast and Nintendo decided that the best way to keep the company afloat was to go third party, I'd have to keep a few things in consideration.

Firstly, this would mean that Nintendo has to develop games for Sony's console, Microsoft's console, presumably for PC, for tablets or for smartphones. Nintendo, while, yes, having more options, will have to develop games according to limitations set for them rather than by them. Nintendo would, also, have to abide by the regulations set by the company they are developing the game for. This means that if there is something the head of the company doesn't like about the game Nintendo creates, Nintendo will have to make adjustments according to the way the official head of the department would feel unless they do not wish to have their game released to the public.

This brings me to a second possible dilemma which could face Nintendo: current public perception. Nintendo is already going into the next generation of consoles as the "uncool" or the "kiddy" company. If Nintendo was to go third party and develop games for other consoles not exclusively for Nintendo hardware, the very audience that does not prefer Nintendo (which is seemingly rather high in regard to the userbases of both Microsoft and Sony), will, more than likely, not decide to give Mario another go simply because it's on Playstation now. In other words, Nintendo will be delivering games to an userbase that really couldn't care less about playing Pikmin when they could play something else that fits what they want to play. My apologies if this doesn't make any sense :P .

Honestly, if Nintendo decided to go third party, I don't know what I would do. Sure I could go out and be the "real gamer" and buy all of the consoles and play all of the games, but it costs a lot of money to be a "real gamer" (at least for me). From a financial standpoint alone that would mean I would have to put down, presumably, a few hundred more dollars another console just to buy about 5 games every 2 to 3 years with a few (emphasis on the word "few") unexpected gems thrown in from other third parties that weren't Nintendo.

I'm in no way saying it would be impossible for Nintendo to survive. What I'm implying is that it would be very difficult for them to do so with the established audiences Sony and Microsoft have now. I'm also implying that, for myself, I do not see myself, personally, buying another console I have no interest in purchasing just so I could play the latest Mario or Zelda game.

My apologies for the long post. If you didn't read it all I fully understand :)

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95. Posted:

Radixxs wrote:

These specifically abstract hypothetical threads are becoming irksome.

This.
Do we really need these unrealistic depressing threads? Nintendo's not going anywhere soon nor will they turn 3rd party and support other consoles.
This entire thing is the equivelent of Sega resurrecting the Sega Nomad, or Toys R us turning into a giant bouncing bogus jelly bean. lol

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96. Posted:

WaveBoy wrote:

Radixxs wrote:

These specifically abstract hypothetical threads are becoming irksome.

This.
Do we really need these unrealistic depressing threads?

Nobody is forcing you to read this topic. You can move along and let the people here discuss the hypothetical.

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skywake

97. Posted:

@shake_zula
The DS had the same controls as the GBA as well as the touch screen so as a result pretty much every "core" game had traditional controls. The only real exception were the two Zelda games which you can complain about if you want (I wouldn't but whatever). As I said, most of the games on the DS were traditionally controlled games with the simple addition of a map and/or inventory on the bottom screen. If people want to rage about those additions and say "ZOMG the second screen in Mario Kart DS totally breaks the game" then I'm sorry, but they are braindead morons. "Core" games on the DS worked, there was nothing gamebreaking about them and if you wanted to (no idea why you would) you could just ignore touch controls entirely pretty much all of the time.

The Wii was a different beast and is not like the Wii U at all. The control scheme that all Wii games had to support (being the in-the-box option) had less buttons than the traditional control scheme and so whatever the devs wanted to do they had to support a simplified and non-traditional option. The Wii U is a lot more like the DS and will allow developers to completely ignore the difference between the Wii U and 360/PS3 if they want. On top of that the game will have to support being played without the touch screen if they want to let you play without the TV.... making it highly probable that most "core" games will have a standard control option.

tl;dr: The Wii U is a HD DS for your TV, the whine is unwarranted

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98. Posted:

@AD3Supa post #94
Sony + Microsoft will want Mario to get his gun and plumber van (from pre production NES days) and go GTA style on those goombas while shouting expletives as he pulls over to get some action from princess peach :) now thats what I call hardcorz maturity stuffs ;)

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Koos

99. Posted:

This is too much a far fetched situation. What will do if McDonalds go vegetarian. That kind of probability. Will re-examine in 10 years.

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100. Posted:

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@AD3Supa post #94
Sony will want Mario to get his gun and plumber van (from pre production NES days) and go GTA style on those goombas while shouting expletives as he pulls over to get some action from princess peach :)

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