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Koos

141. Posted:

Monopoly is not a bad thing if the barriers to entry to the market are low. So if Microsoft and Sony drop out of the console business, which will eventually happen, it will be just fine. Nintendo will still need to be on its toes because the next Sega might be around the corner.

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koos wrote:

Monopoly is not a bad thing if the barriers to entry to the market are low. So if Microsoft and Sony drop out of the console business, which will eventually happen, it will be just fine. Nintendo will still need to be on its toes because the next Sega might be around the corner.

You expecr nintendo to outlast Microsoft and Sony (lulz)

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143. Posted:

skywake wrote:

ChocoGoldfish wrote:

Geonjaha wrote:

Mickeymac wrote:

One World One Console. We're headed towards better days...

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One Console, One company.
No competition, little incentive.
Bad products, bad games.
Bad industry, no industry.
Better days? I think not.

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That's all a myth perpetuated by people who think a capitalist open market is a good thing. The reality is that it isn't. History has proven that 1) even when there's a monopoly there's still competition and 2) a monopoly is not an incentive for the vendor to produce poor quality goods. When poor goods are produced under a monopoly it is almost always because of other reasons. And amusingly enough, capitalism is a direct cause for low-quality goods. When corporations need to compete on price, corners are cut, and almost invariably the consumer is the one that misses out.

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Tin foil hats are a-go. There are good reasons for monopolies in some specific scenarios and the argument about complete deregulation reducing the quality of goods is reasonable. The idea that capitalism and an open market as a general idea is not a good thing is, however, not an idea I'm going to let someone post without me mocking them. So this is me, a Green voting, gov' owned infrastructure monopoly supporting, Carbon price "lefty" person who can listen to Stereolab without his head exploding mocking this general point being made around this post here.

Whoa. I'd better get out of here before this turns in to open war. I'll just leave my tin foil hat here to collect.

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144. Posted:

Sony_70 wrote:

koos wrote:

Monopoly is not a bad thing if the barriers to entry to the market are low. So if Microsoft and Sony drop out of the console business, which will eventually happen, it will be just fine. Nintendo will still need to be on its toes because the next Sega might be around the corner.

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You expecr nintendo to outlast Microsoft and Sony (lulz)

And you expect anyone to take you seriously, acting all troll-like? Each individual company has their strengths and inevitable weaknesses; for all we know, any company could drop out when we least expect it. I'd go on further as to point them out, but it seems, in this case, fair thinking is your apparent weakness.

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145. Posted:

In an attempt to bring the discussion (that is supposed to be mature) back on topic...

If Nintendo dropped out, I would move on to the next Microsoft system, but I would still keep my Nintendo consoles. I'd be able to buy all of the gems I missed out on used from eBay and GameStop. :)

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146. Posted:

Sony_70 wrote:

You expecr nintendo to outlast Microsoft and Sony (lulz)

If you can't come up with a mature response, please don't post in this thread at all. Thanks in advance!

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147. Posted:

Knux wrote:

Greetings ladies and gentlemen. (If this topic has been done before, then I couldn't find it.)

Today, I will ask a question that (most of) us would rather not ask ourselves. What would you do if Nintendo didn't succeed with the Wii U and 3DS, which as a result, causes them to drop out of manufacturing gaming systems and become a third party developer like Sega did?

I've answered your question, now you answer mine. What would you do if Microsoft/Sony didn't succeed with 720/PS4&Vita which leads to their dropping out of console manufacture?

Although each company (Nintendo included) is strong enough to last us until our children's children are talking about this.

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CanisWolfred

148. Posted:

Valve going out would be a problem (and I can see their methods eventually causing problems, should they keep things the way they are), and Sony would be sorely missed if they went out, if only for the R&C and Wipeout series (and maybe Sly if Sly 4 isn't the last we see of him). Otherwise, I can't say I care one way or another if a company goes out. Someone will come and take their place eventually, and who knows, they might be better than any of the old guys.

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149. Posted:

Hi I'm Reala and I'm a Sega fan you may remember that company from such things as Nights into Dreams, Sonic and the 32X; you may also remember they exited the console market and the true devastation that caused with some of its effects such as Sonic 06 still being felt today; well I'm about to publish a book on just how to survive your fav console maker ceasing hardware and becoming a 3rd party developer, this is not just intended as a book but a tool to cope and overcome such a massive life changing world altering event, and get your life back on track while I truly hope such an event doesn't befall your own personal fav console maker; you can never take anything for granted and hope this book will provide some form of peace of mind in the worst case scenario do not delay pre order by the end August and receive a free tin foil hat!!!

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Xkhaoz

150. Posted:

TysonQ7 wrote:

SuperSherbet wrote:

If Nintendo quit making consoles, I' think they'd start doing a PC service like what Valve is currently doing with Steam.

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Or better yet, FUSE with VALVE.

Fu-sion, HA!.

But seriously, I'm mainly a PC gamer anyways, so I would be affected that much.

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Koos

151. Posted:

Market Cap:
Sega - 5 billion (no console manufacturing)
Sony - 13 billion (will need to weed out some unprofitable sectors)
Nintendo - 15 billion (with console manufacturing. Will not let go of 50% of its structure easily. See Sega's market cap).
Microsoft - 240 billion (could live without consoles someday, if feels other sectors are more important)

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152. Posted:

skywake wrote:

ChocoGoldfish wrote:

Geonjaha wrote:

Mickeymac wrote:

One World One Console. We're headed towards better days...

[/div]

One Console, One company.
No competition, little incentive.
Bad products, bad games.
Bad industry, no industry.
Better days? I think not.

[/div]

That's all a myth perpetuated by people who think a capitalist open market is a good thing. The reality is that it isn't. History has proven that 1) even when there's a monopoly there's still competition and 2) a monopoly is not an incentive for the vendor to produce poor quality goods. When poor goods are produced under a monopoly it is almost always because of other reasons. And amusingly enough, capitalism is a direct cause for low-quality goods. When corporations need to compete on price, corners are cut, and almost invariably the consumer is the one that misses out.

[/div]

Tin foil hats are a-go. There are good reasons for monopolies in some specific scenarios and the argument about complete deregulation reducing the quality of goods is reasonable. The idea that capitalism and an open market as a general idea is not a good thing is, however, not an idea I'm going to let someone post without me mocking them. So this is me, a Green voting, gov' owned infrastructure monopoly supporting, Carbon price "lefty" person who can listen to Stereolab without his head exploding mocking this general point being made around this post here.

Naw. I can jump fence and be right wing and all that if the debate necessitates it. What I dislike is the immediate assumption that because we're told something, it must therefore be right. We're taught that free markets, capitalism, democracy and freedom of speech (amongst other things) are civilisation aspirations, but they're incredibly flawed, if not broken in reality.

I prefer to keep my arguments academic - I'm pretty neutral on most things. I just don't like when people don't question these things - anyone that sits squarely on the right or left wings are equally strange to me. I would have thought by now that was pretty obvious.

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153. Posted:

Reala wrote:

Hi I'm Reala and I'm a Sega fan you may remember that company from such things as Nights into Dreams, Sonic and the 32X; you may also remember they exited the console market and the true devastation that caused with some of its effects such as Sonic 06 still being felt today; well I'm about to publish a book on just how to survive your fav console maker ceasing hardware and becoming a 3rd party developer, this is not just intended as a book but a tool to cope and overcome such a massive life changing world altering event, and get your life back on track while I truly hope such an event doesn't befall your own personal fav console maker; you can never take anything for granted and hope this book will provide some form of peace of mind in the worst case scenario do not delay pre order by the end August and receive a free tin foil hat!!!

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154. Posted:

I like video games so I would probably just get another system or go with a PC.

I mean I would be sad to see any company go but at the end of the day it means the company in question either had serious management issues or failed to innovate which in both cases is unfortunate for the people who work there.

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155. Posted:

Koos wrote:

Market Cap:
Sega - 5 billion (no console manufacturing)
Sony - 13 billion (will need to weed out some unprofitable sectors)
Nintendo - 15 billion (with console manufacturing. Will not let go of 50% of its structure easily. See Sega's market cap).
Microsoft - 240 billion (could live without consoles someday, if feels other sectors are more important)

Yeah, Sony's market cap should be higher than that for its various problems...

Sony's becoming prime acquisition material actually.

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shingi_70

156. Posted:

Yep the prevailing things I hear on tech websites are google or samsung buying Sony.

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157. Posted:

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Yep the prevailing things I hear on tech websites are google or samsung buying Sony.

I doubt Google. Google just picked up Motorola.

Samsung? Perhaps.

My vote in all cases of big acquisitions in tech is Apple. With Jobs gone it's just a matter of time for Cook to make a whopping big acquisition. Apple will also realise that it's growing to the point where M & A is the only way to grow bigger.

I'd hedge bets that it would be either Sony, Nintendo or Panasonic. Those three are big and well known for quality, which fits with Apple's image, and have product ranges that Apple does not.

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158. Posted:

at this point in time I could maybe see Apple taking Panasonic, but not either of the other two. With Panasonic they wouldn't have to worry about existing consoles, online infrastructure, or IPs and stuff, they could pretty much start their own gaming division from scratch if they wanted to eventually. they wouldn't have to worry about pissing off existing users of Sony or Nintendo products... and then if/when the time is right, they could fully concentrate on luring them away instead.

even if they chose not to go the gaming route, Panasonic would probably be the better buy just to strengthen their small electronics hold versus Sony overall.

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159. Posted:

Reala wrote:

Hi I'm Reala and I'm a Sega fan you may remember that company from such things as Nights into Dreams, Sonic and the 32X; you may also remember they exited the console market and the true devastation that caused with some of its effects such as Sonic 06 still being felt today; well I'm about to publish a book on just how to survive your fav console maker ceasing hardware and becoming a 3rd party developer, this is not just intended as a book but a tool to cope and overcome such a massive life changing world altering event, and get your life back on track while I truly hope such an event doesn't befall your own personal fav console maker; you can never take anything for granted and hope this book will provide some form of peace of mind in the worst case scenario do not delay pre order by the end August and receive a free tin foil hat!!!

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160. Posted:

Could see apple getting Sony. Sony is a company that makes quality hardware but has a problem with having too many product lines. With apple wanting to make apple TV a success and Tim Cook recently talked about how gaming wasnt entirely out of the question at all things D.

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