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SteveW

41. Posted:

What if? are you doubting that it will? I see nothing holding it back :)

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Mandoble

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Remember that after N64 and GQ disasters Nintendo decided to never try again to fight Sony/MS face to face, they aimed to these known as "non gamers" with the cheapest console in the market, and the success was outstanding. I pretty much doubt they will be brave enough to try to fight Sony again, that would mean to release a console way more expensive than PS3. They cannot expect to outclass the PS3 with something cheaper and relying just on gimicking things as with the Wii, the result is that the Wii is already dead in 2011 while the PS3/XBoX are still quite alive. The retail price will tell us a lot, mostly knowing that Nintendo devices are always the most overpriced ones in the market.

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Uhm.. No, Nintendo's products aren't the most overpriced in the market. Apple's is. And though people may fight and say "Apple isn't in the gaming market in terms of sales", these are the same people who fight for Apple and claim that their iPhones and stuff should be considered gaming platforms (thus, they contradict themselves). And I'd rather pay for a quality product that will last me for years. Manufacturers don't make products the same way they used to. My Gameboy Pocket is a real good condition still today after over 15 years. Phones these days, for example, are very delicate because they are rushed out. This is in terms of handhelds.

Console wise- GCN was extremely durable lol Seen the test X Play did? The PS2 died in the first test right off the bat while the GCN and Xbox survived. Fail rates of Wii is considerably low compared to 360 (up until the slim which I heard it doesn't get rrod).

Yes, I shouldn't justify console durability and relyability in pricing but it's one to consider. Nintendo learned from this with the 3DS and shoudn't listen to "others" as most of the people who they showed this to said it was a $300 product. WTH. And then, Patcher, who said $250 is the perfect price. He hasn't shown up or commented since the price drop. He's ready to bust at Nintendo.

In terms of Wii being dead- yours may be, but mine is far from it. Very very far, actually. I have 10 titles to check out that I missed out on and I'm looking forward to Kirby and Zelda. Fortune Street and even Mario Party 9 are on my list. I don't care if it's the "same thing" or "same concept" because I have been playing games with the "same concept" for years and not just from Nintendo. All accross the board. I play games to have fun. Not to play big boss and criticize on what gaming companies are doing. Shares and all this investor crap doesn't bother me. And I don't care if 100,000 people refuse to purchase a 3DS because they are not relevant to me or the games I'm playing. Same thing goes for WiiU. I doubt we'll see a giant leap in the next gen. WiiU won't be in the same position the Wii is in in terms of power vs it's competing consoles.

I don't understand why people are caring so much about WiiU selling millions of units. Get yours and have fun. You're not Nintendo, so you should't be worried about how many units are sold. What you should care about is what games will be on the system more than anything else. I myself don't buy much 3rd party games on my systems because the most polished games most of the time are from first parties anyhow. I tend to lean on Japanese 3rd parties more than western. On my computer, if a game is good, I'll get it. And that's how I base my purchases for any game. And if I really like it or it's a game for me. I'm open to many new experiences, and I can't wait to see that on WiiU.

Also, I don't remember these "N64 and GCN" disasters because I was 6-14 years old when they were still going. I was busy playing and enjoying my games to be bothered with the finanacial nonsense that I shouldn't care about. And if Nintendo pulled themselves out from those supposed disasters, then they'll be fine surely.
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DaveGX

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I can think of at least 1 "disaster" that concerns the N64, which was its blocky-looking graphics, (though I guess that's what 64-bit is/was at the time) even I will give em some credit on 3d modeling. As for the GameCube, it just didn't really do anything spectacular and well, I really wasn't seeing much variety beyond Nintendo's own library, which isn't really the best thing in the world. The Wii has been kinda like that for me, too, with the exception of being released within a better generation of innovations, which brings me to my next point. As far as innovation goes, Sony and Microsoft's next-gen consoles still have at least another year or 2, maybe 3, before we can expect any idea what direction they're headed. Meanwhile, Nintendo seems to be in a (desparate) rush with the WiiU because I've said this a few times (in other topics), but the system does rather have a DS concept written all over it. So as much as I'd hate to say it, but if this the best Nintendo has for an innovative next gen console, aside from boasting about WiiU being "more powerful than PlayStation 3", not to mention the 3DS being rushed out the door and paying the price because of it, no offense, but they're in for a rude awakening in the coming years seeings how Sony pretty much rules the hardware entertainment department, and Microsoft pretty much rules the software department. (The proof is in the consoles themselves respectively.)

All this talk about about Microsoft struggling dependant on 3rd party support is rubbish; Do you honestly believe Sony is any stranger to this type of market? That said, Nintendo kinda already is struggling when it comes to 3rd party support, and has been here and there ever since the GameCube. See, Sony has Santa Monica Studio, who is mostly responsible for God of War (We are already aware of what they're capable of with this in mind), and Microsoft has 343 Industries, who is now the primarily in charge of handling the Halo franchise. So, if the debut/teaser trailor for Halo 4 is any indication of things to come, on top of carrying the 2nd trilogy with it, you can darn well forget about them "struggling" since technically, it will count as sort of their 1st 1st party title, despite the fact that originally Bungie was the heart and soul of it all. Now this may not be a very huge step for them in the eyes of gamers as compared to Sony, or dare I say Nintendo, but it's a start, and just might shed a little more light on them for a change and start paving the way for bold new possabilities outside the Halo universe. Only time will tell.

As for Nintendo, as I've pointed out earlier in the thread, they can dream big all they want, but imho, it's about time they quit cutting corners and producing cheap hardware if they expect the WiiU to succeed on par with Microsoft or Sony (Once again, ya get what ya pay for.) because when it all comes to down to it, sometimes I just have to question whether or not they really have a clue when it comes to innovative hardware. For instance, stylus/touch tablets aren't anything new; All they really did there was take an already existing, and perfectly capable personal/business model and show everyone capabilities in the gaming industry, that other coorperate industries could care less about. Or take infrared communications, such as our TVs, set-top boxes, etc; Already exists and perfectly capable IF those coorperate companies had any interest, and yet again Nintendo took advantage of that. It never really was theirs to begin with. For once, I'd like to see them produce something original without sneaking up behind and leaching off of existing models/hardware, etc, and see how long they last.

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Mandoble

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That's quite true, Nintendo innovation was never in hardware, and rarely in software (just copy/paste from Konami in the 80's and then keep doing the same over and over for 30 years). What Nintendo did well is to put other's hardware innovations together in cheap gaming devices with pretty minimum building costs. It did happen with the NES and it is still happening with the Wii. But the raw and crude hardware innovation was always a done by others. The first modern gaming "console" was in fact a Sony computer (Hit-Bit MSX) supporting cardridges, tapes and FDDs:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/MSX-Hit_Bi...
http://www.teclas.org/img/s/Sony_HB-101P_01.jpg

3 years later Nintendo came with the same concepts but without the "computer" part with the NES, and way cheaper than MSX systems.

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BenAV

46. Posted:

The Wii is already dead in 2011

It is?
I'm currently playing Xenoblade Chronicles, which I have a long way to go in, as well as having several other games that I frequently go back and play or have yet to start.
On top of that Skyward Sword and Kirby will be out before the end of the year, and The Last Story and Pandora's Tower are on the way next year, as well as a few others I may have left out. (I know a lot of the games I mentioned aren't in/coming to North America, but just because they aren't doesn't mean the Wii is dead in a while... Just in North America if anything).

If this is what it's like when a console is dead, I'd hate to have a console that's still alive because I simply wouldn't have enough time or money to buy and play all the good games that arrive. I've got enough to keep me going on my Wii until the Wii U arrives and it looks like my 3DS may be taking up a whole heap of my time between now and then as well.

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47. Posted:

Mandoble wrote:

That's quite true, Nintendo innovation was never in hardware, and rarely in software (just copy/paste from Konami in the 80's and then keep doing the same over and over for 30 years). What Nintendo did well is to put other's hardware innovations together in cheap gaming devices with pretty minimum building costs. It did happen with the NES and it is still happening with the Wii. But the raw and crude hardware innovation was always a done by others. The first modern gaming "console" was in fact a Sony computer (Hit-Bit MSX) supporting cardridges, tapes and FDDs:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/MSX-Hit_Bi...
http://www.teclas.org/img/s/Sony_HB-101P_01.jpg

3 years later Nintendo came with the same concepts but without the "computer" part with the NES, and way cheaper than MSX systems.

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48. Posted:

thesmorganator wrote:

Mandoble wrote:

That's quite true, Nintendo innovation was never in hardware, and rarely in software (just copy/paste from Konami in the 80's and then keep doing the same over and over for 30 years). What Nintendo did well is to put other's hardware innovations together in cheap gaming devices with pretty minimum building costs. It did happen with the NES and it is still happening with the Wii. But the raw and crude hardware innovation was always a done by others. The first modern gaming "console" was in fact a Sony computer (Hit-Bit MSX) supporting cardridges, tapes and FDDs:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/MSX-Hit_Bi...
http://www.teclas.org/img/s/Sony_HB-101P_01.jpg

3 years later Nintendo came with the same concepts but without the "computer" part with the NES, and way cheaper than MSX systems.

1 thing: Bashing nintendo on a Nintendo forum is a bad idea

Yes... Let's get 'em!

Not really.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. :P

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thesmorganator wrote:

Mandoble wrote:

That's quite true, Nintendo innovation was never in hardware, and rarely in software (just copy/paste from Konami in the 80's and then keep doing the same over and over for 30 years). What Nintendo did well is to put other's hardware innovations together in cheap gaming devices with pretty minimum building costs. It did happen with the NES and it is still happening with the Wii. But the raw and crude hardware innovation was always a done by others. The first modern gaming "console" was in fact a Sony computer (Hit-Bit MSX) supporting cardridges, tapes and FDDs:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/MSX-Hit_Bi...
http://www.teclas.org/img/s/Sony_HB-101P_01.jpg

3 years later Nintendo came with the same concepts but without the "computer" part with the NES, and way cheaper than MSX systems.

1 thing: Bashing nintendo on a Nintendo forum is a bad idea

I don't think he was "bashing" them, nor was I. Just simply citing the cold, hard facts as with some of my recent points. I know, probably kinda makes me seem like a hater.... Though considering all that time through the 80s and 90s I'd sided myself with Nintendo as opposed to even taking a chance on Sega back then, (at least up to the point when i knew i needed to expand the library to include Sony, and obviously Microsoft following) all those points I've made, that's just tough love.

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thesmorganator wrote:

1 thing: Bashing nintendo on a Nintendo forum is a bad idea

While problably keeping overraing an already extremely overrated company would be correct here, right? The end result of that is having N transformed into the big hole of lazyness and incompetency that currently is. Releasing rushed, unfinished and overpriced prototypes of handhelds, developping nothing while fagociting third party brilliant dev companies to do not release their creations all around the world (Xenoblade) while releasing an old remake after another with full retail prices. Sorry if you dont like, but this is what N is.

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Mandoble wrote:

thesmorganator wrote:

1 thing: Bashing nintendo on a Nintendo forum is a bad idea

While problably keeping overraing an already extremely overrated company would be correct here, right? The end result of that is having N transformed into the big hole of lazyness and incompetency that currently is. Releasing rushed, unfinished and overpriced prototypes of handhelds, developping nothing while fagociting third party brilliant dev companies to do not release their creations all around the world (Xenoblade) while releasing an old remake after another with full retail prices. Sorry if you dont like, but this is what N is.

Not trying to start arguments here but Nintendo are the most Innovative company out there, even sony and microsoft copied them.

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Mandoble wrote:

thesmorganator wrote:

1 thing: Bashing nintendo on a Nintendo forum is a bad idea

While problably keeping overraing an already extremely overrated company would be correct here, right? The end result of that is having N transformed into the big hole of lazyness and incompetency that currently is. Releasing rushed, unfinished and overpriced prototypes of handhelds, developping nothing while fagociting third party brilliant dev companies to do not release their creations all around the world (Xenoblade) while releasing an old remake after another with full retail prices. Sorry if you dont like, but this is what N is.

Your summary on Nintendo mainly consists of events that happened in a time frame of 6 months ago at the latest. And I'm very confused on how Nintendo is "lazy."

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53. Posted:

Mandoble wrote:

thesmorganator wrote:

1 thing: Bashing nintendo on a Nintendo forum is a bad idea

While problably keeping overraing an already extremely overrated company would be correct here, right? The end result of that is having N transformed into the big hole of lazyness and incompetency that currently is. Releasing rushed, unfinished and overpriced prototypes of handhelds, developping nothing while fagociting third party brilliant dev companies to do not release their creations all around the world (Xenoblade) while releasing an old remake after another with full retail prices. Sorry if you dont like, but this is what N is.

ahhh sony does that too :| they just remake in HD, so you know better :P

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54. Posted:

thesmorganator wrote:

fagociting

I don't think that's a word...

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Kid_Crono wrote:

Mandoble wrote:

thesmorganator wrote:

1 thing: Bashing nintendo on a Nintendo forum is a bad idea

While problably keeping overraing an already extremely overrated company would be correct here, right? The end result of that is having N transformed into the big hole of lazyness and incompetency that currently is. Releasing rushed, unfinished and overpriced prototypes of handhelds, developping nothing while fagociting third party brilliant dev companies to do not release their creations all around the world (Xenoblade) while releasing an old remake after another with full retail prices. Sorry if you dont like, but this is what N is.

Your summary on Nintendo mainly consists of events that happened in a time frame of 6 months ago at the latest. And I'm very confused on how Nintendo is "lazy."

6 Months? Ha! That's laughable. This has been going on since at least GameCube as I said earlier. And sorry, but Sony's nothing like Nintendo; They actually know what they're dealing with, inside and out when it comes to the hardware, as with Microsoft and their software. All nintendo has ever done is innovate other people's hardware as if it were their own at minimal cost, they cut corners. You can't possibly compare Nintendo to Sony and say that PlayStation 3 was rushed.

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56. Posted:

DaveGX wrote:

Kid_Crono wrote:

Mandoble wrote:

thesmorganator wrote:

1 thing: Bashing nintendo on a Nintendo forum is a bad idea

While problably keeping overraing an already extremely overrated company would be correct here, right? The end result of that is having N transformed into the big hole of lazyness and incompetency that currently is. Releasing rushed, unfinished and overpriced prototypes of handhelds, developping nothing while fagociting third party brilliant dev companies to do not release their creations all around the world (Xenoblade) while releasing an old remake after another with full retail prices. Sorry if you dont like, but this is what N is.

Your summary on Nintendo mainly consists of events that happened in a time frame of 6 months ago at the latest. And I'm very confused on how Nintendo is "lazy."

6 Months? Ha! That's laughable. This has been going on since at least GameCube as I said earlier. And sorry, but Sony's nothing like Nintendo; They actually know what they're dealing with, inside and out when it comes to the hardware, as with Microsoft and their software. All nintendo has ever done is innovate other people's hardware as if it were their own at minimal cost, they cut corners. You can't possibly compare Nintendo to Sony and say that PlayStation 3 was rushed.

So they have been rushing out unfinished prototypes of handhelds since the Gamecube? Mmmmm no. And you can say any system was rushed if you have a valid reason to argue with. And yes you can compare Nintendo to Sony in every way. LOL

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Uhm, no you can't say any system was rushed; I just gave you a solid example. And yes, Nintendo has kinda been rushing stuff out since the GameCube. Just look at the DS line-up and how little each 1 has changed, just make a few minor adjustments. Or how about the Wii Speak mic which hardly supports a very large librar?. What about Wii Motion Plus? Why didn't they simply use the adapter as a prototype, save. the $ rather than releasing 1 1st only to later redeisign the controller to include it? Yes, they rush things. Sorry, but no you simply can't compare Nintendo to Sony in "any" way; What does Nintendo know how about developing their own technology for future generations?? Sony actually works extremely hard to give us stuff that's gonna last for years and years in the long run, as does Microsoft with their software. They're thinking ahead of the time, not in the moment like Nintendo, so they're hardly comparable.

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:D LOL DaveGX I have chortles, it sounds like your saying nintendo isnt nintendo I dont think any nintendo console was rushed

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I'm not saying Nintendo isn't Nintendo, but they do tend to rush a bit. How about the redesigned GameBoy Advance (SP)? The whitish light effect on the screen only makes it harder to see things, and in fact that thing is actually more breakable as to my original Nintendo DS. Somehow it came apart where the back pieces are supposed to hold it together (although it still functioned just fine), and the GameBoy Advance SP has the very same 1s, just smaller. How about the fact that the Wii itsself is only capable of running things in 480p? Why couldn't they've given it a little more time to improve on that and give it the capability to handle better? And why an infrared sensor rather than a proper camera like Sony did with the PlayStation Move controllers? You can't deny all these examples I'm giving prove that they rush things and cut corners. They simply don't know hardware like Sony is all I'm saying.

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Swiket wrote:

thesmorganator wrote:

fagociting

I don't think that's a word...

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