Yeah I dunno. maybe the other analog can help you look around, like if you wannaa get a good target lock on sombody in slight? Or maybe instead of that again, within sight, you could move the aiming reticle with the other manually instead of always shooting directly where your fighter is moving?

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That second part is what I was talking about. If you move the reticle freely, that's not Star Fox. That's Sin and Punishment pretty much.

how do you fgure? You're piloting planes and that sort, of course it's Star Fox. If you fire ammo to support it it works just fine.

Oh, I cannot wait as well.

I'm not ready to say goodbye to Layton though.

PMD Gates to infinity.

I'm seriously going insane over this!

Well, Wario is an antagonist in SML3.

But that's not the point. They apparently have relations to Mario, and act as superior multiplayer characters compared to Toads since they easily act as better foils and could have unique powers (similar to Luigi's higher jump but extra slide). You can't say that since they're cousins (are they?) they don't belong. I could use the same argument for not including generic Toads. (IE; It's "Super Mario Bros" not "Super Mario Bros along with 2 random mushroom-headed clones")

The difference is, is that Toads are in basically every Bros. game dating all the way back to the NES original. Toads are appropriate characters for multiplayer experiences regardless of what you think you know. Wario is not.

I don't think that should be the first factor. They were NPCs after all.

Why shouldn't Wario and Waluigi be included? Besides the factor of former game inclusion (which was really, really minor in the original, and still only NPCs in every other game), they are far more appropriate characters in uniquity, different abilities, popularity, etc;

If it came down to the opinion of people and you asked "Who would you prefer as 3rd/4th player?" I'm fairly sure the two other brothers would be chosen.)

That, and as stated before, Wario was in SM64DS, so he really isn't that inappropriate.

I see it as easy profit for Nintendo.

Don't fix what's [edit]NOT broken.
Toads or the Wario Bros., Nintendo's gonna make a hefty check with these games.

I feel silly now.

He's inappropriate to the Bros. games since he's never been in one before. He's been in many other Mario games such as Super Mario Land and Mario Kart, but he's never been in a Super Mario Bros. game.

I agree, he would be a better fit for a multiplayer game like NSMB, but he's irrelevant to that series. It would like saying Geno is perfect fit for the Mario and Luigi franchise because he's been in a Mario RPG before.

Why can't we just enjoy the game, anyway?

Just because Wario and Waluigi haven't ever been in a Bros game before certainly isn't reason enough as to why they're inappropriate for the series at all if in fact they do share any relation to Mario and Luigi. Playing as them in place of Mario and Luigi maybe, but as to havea sort of branched spin-off and saying no. Why? There's absolutely no logic behid this at all, and certainly no legit reason why they couldn't be implimented as baddies for a duo style of gameplay as I suggested.

Heck I even thought of something else that could be done aside from that; A lot of people believe Daisy is Nintendo's answer to Luigi as Peach is to Mario, and Peach gets kidnapped a lot, so why not Daisy fo a change, or aybe both somehow, silly as that sounds?

I'm not saying Wario and Waluigi are irrelevant to the Mario universe. All I'm saying is that both of them will probably never see the light of day in a Super Mario bros. title in any way, shape or form. Another Mario title that isn't a Bros. entry (such as the next Mario Land), sure. I'd rather see Wario as the antagonist than Bowser any day but Nintendo probably won't budge.

_{So don't hold your breathe.}

What about Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land? Does that not count?

Does it have the word "Bros." anywhere near the title? I didn't think so.

Wario in a Mario game isn't far fetched. Wario in a Super Mario Bros. game, is. (As of now.)

Fire Emblem: Awakening on 3DS & GTA V on Xbox 360 are going to be great. I'm exited.

No it's not. You've already suggested a connfirmation of Wario and Waluigi being bros. That's pretty much all anyone needs to know. Sure, in my example you're pretty much focusing on Mario and Luigi being playable, but at the same time that the entire gameplay would be emphasizing the relationship of Wario and Waluigi being Bros, but as the antagonists, as well as perhaps some other enemies, say the Koopalings for instance. And since there's only 1 girl in that group she could be made an exception to this rule, but then again it doesn't necesserily have to be done. Just saying.

The entire problem with it is thatthe series as a whole has been split into 2 originating as Super Mario Bros, and the split which quite honestly doesn't affect core of the series at all really, Super Mario. Whether Luigi is in the picture or not, Mario has always been defeating Bowser and saving princess Peach where the genenral plot is concerned.

If Wario has never been in a Super Mario Bros. game before, then how can it be appropriate to involve him in future Bros. games?

And please, don't post a wall of text. It's fairly difficult to comprehend what you're trying to say.

I'm not posting a wall of context, I'm giving you a full explanation. If you slowed down to read it carefully it's perfectly comprehendable. 2nd, if Wario and Waluigi's relationship to Mario and Luigi are true, then there shouldn't be any explanation whyy they're appropriate. I've given multiple explanations and examples already; The fact that the series itself has been split from Super Maripo Bros to Super Mario has never changed the core between Mario (and Luigi's) rival(s). That's why they're appropriate for the suggestion I've made. The only thing I can make of all this is that Nintendo possibly stopped calling it "Bros" for such a long time only to make it easier to say the titles, but regardless it really shouldn't.

The fact is that most games telling a story have almost always, or in most cases, had Mario fighting Bowser and saving Peach, and it originally started with both Mario and Luigi doing so together. They're brothers, they experienced the same mystery together as plumbers. So what if Nintendo decided to give them new antagonists? They're cannon to the series, just in a slightly different branch. There's no reason to eclude/isolate them as belonging simply because of that.