Topic: What does the Wii U mean to PS4 and Xbox One?

Dude, the Wii U sold more than 500,000 in 9 months, otherwise the install base wouldn't be 4 million, worldwide.

If they only sold 500,000 in 9 months, that would mean they sold 2-2.5 million in the other 3 months or else the number would probably be closer to 1.5-2 million, and that's not the case. Nintendo had close to a million on it's launch, too, if you consider every regions launxh together. Around 333,333 more units sold per region for the Xbox One and PS4 will make the difference if they do indeed sell at least another million in the other regions.

Just thought I'd put things in perspective, because they definitely got more than 500,000 consoles sold in a 9 months.

EDIT: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/11/how-successful-was-the...

There's the link. They sold 3-4 times as much as you're saying(500,000) within 9 months.

3,9 million units has been sold to >Stores< per October 1st.
460 000 units was sold to customers the first 6 months (Q1,Q2)

You guys are SO naive... The people saying that PS4 sold 1 million on it's first day are the same people saying that the Wii U has sold around 4 million within the past year.

EDIT: The last info is also that Wii U has an overall software attach rate of 20 million. I don't know what the PS4 software attachment rate is, though.

The XBOne numbers were global and the PS4 numbers were for the US. How they turn out over the next few months is where it'll get interesting so 'till then everyone should just calm down. Also I think people quoting Wii U failure doom-figures in this thread are actually quoting weekly rather than monthly.

i.e. if we're talking global then the Wii U took just over two weeks to do what the XBOne is said to have done on day one. About six to match the PS4 equivalent. It again remains to be seen how well these numbers translate over the next weeks. It's damn good for these new consoles but lets not kid ourselves into thinking the Wii U took months and months to reach the numbers these consoles hit in a day.

@skywake
Exactly. 1 million is a good number, but I don't know where the hell @shingi_70 is getting the whole "500,000 in 9 months" bit. That's factually wrong.

Ya, the Wii U got alot of sales in it's first month and a half, then died down a bit(with small, but relevant sales), but it has also sold about another half a million just in the past month and a half once more games came out and the price went down.

Not party pooping, just putting things back into perspective. Sony could fail to restock appropriately, delay a game, have a server crash, whatever... We won't know how well it will actually do until it does more than it already has.

If you look at the last numbers, shingu isnt far off.
The 1 million number PS4 and xbox are reporting is units sold to customers. Wii U had 460 000 units sold to customers per 6th month, and after that, up to october, the sales were really poor and stores has even sent Wii U`s back because they have to many.
Example; Japan week 42 (oct 14 - 20), Wii U sold 3000 units.

In Q3 Nintendo has only sold 0,3 million units to stores, making it a total of 3,9 million units sold to stores.

What does the Wii U mean to the PS4 and Xbox One. Don't know, what does the last true videogame console mean to two similar over-priced, medium-range gaming PCs? Don't know, don't care. I don't play on PCs.

I don't give 2 poops about any fanboy sales wars really

The Wii U is a rather large threat this holiday, the only console to have a variety of great games this christmas (I don't think anyone would buy them for forza or resogun) that are exclusive to the console. The games that hit next year means Nintendo has a perfect opportunity to put out games that are superior to the games on other consoles, even if that doesn't do all that much, it would certainly make the other fanboys rage, a sight not seen since bayonetta 2.
I don't think that launch games should just have good scores, they have to also be exciting and give you the hype rush that we know all too well. Should people buy an Xbox one with Forza just to get that instant satisfaction of new generation graphics or the same with Killzone, both are good games but I have the feeling that if it was on a previous generation console they would have received lower reviews.

I hope the Wii U sells well in the long run, it gets less praise than it deserves, it could also be seen as the last true videogame console, which does what it needs to; run great games.

The Wii U is a rather large threat this holiday, the only console to have a variety of great games this christmas (I don't think anyone would buy them for forza or resogun) that are exclusive to the console. The games that hit next year means Nintendo has a perfect opportunity to put out games that are superior to the games on other consoles, even if that doesn't do all that much, it would certainly make the other fanboys rage, a sight not seen since bayonetta 2.
I don't think that launch games should just have good scores, they have to also be exciting and give you the hype rush that we know all too well. Should people buy an Xbox one with Forza just to get that instant satisfaction of new generation graphics or the same with Killzone, both are good games but I have the feeling that if it was on a previous generation console they would have received lower reviews.

I hope the Wii U sells well in the long run, it gets less praise than it deserves, it could also be seen as the last true videogame console, which does what it needs to; run great games.

The Wii U is a rather large threat this holiday, the only console to have a variety of great games this christmas (I don't think anyone would buy them for forza or resogun) that are exclusive to the console. The games that hit next year means Nintendo has a perfect opportunity to put out games that are superior to the games on other consoles, even if that doesn't do all that much, it would certainly make the other fanboys rage, a sight not seen since bayonetta 2.
I don't think that launch games should just have good scores, they have to also be exciting and give you the hype rush that we know all too well. Should people buy an Xbox one with Forza just to get that instant satisfaction of new generation graphics or the same with Killzone, both are good games but I have the feeling that if it was on a previous generation console they would have received lower reviews.

I hope the Wii U sells well in the long run, it gets less praise than it deserves, it could also be seen as the last true videogame console, which does what it needs to; run great games.

The Wii U is a rather large threat this holiday, the only console to have a variety of great games this christmas (I don't think anyone would buy them for forza or resogun) that are exclusive to the console. The games that hit next year means Nintendo has a perfect opportunity to put out games that are superior to the games on other consoles, even if that doesn't do all that much, it would certainly make the other fanboys rage, a sight not seen since bayonetta 2.
I don't think that launch games should just have good scores, they have to also be exciting and give you the hype rush that we know all too well. Should people buy an Xbox one with Forza just to get that instant satisfaction of new generation graphics or the same with Killzone, both are good games but I have the feeling that if it was on a previous generation console they would have received lower reviews.

I hope the Wii U sells well in the long run, it gets less praise than it deserves, it could also be seen as the last true videogame console, which does what it needs to; run great games.

Per 6 month? 6 months of what? First week of sales the Wii U had moved 480k (just a US launch) and on the same number we know both the XBOne and PS4 are at upto ~1mill. Six months after launch the Wii U was at 3 mill globally which the keen observer would notice is not less than the PS4/XBOne have done on their first day as was implied.

What people in this thread have done is point to the January - June period as if somehow that's the number to be measuring these new consoles against the Wii U with. Then pointed to just the US to make it as small as possible while still being credible. However the Wii U didn't launch on January 1st, it launched in November. Those numbers aren't comparable to the launch numbers of PS4/XBOne regardless of how average they are.

Don't care about sales numbers but if people want to start a sales number fanboy war then they better at least be using reasonable comparisons.

This gen will be all about good original games...

And that's what the MAB has already been playing for the past year anyway, unlike the haters

#1. Apples and oranges when we're talking about comparing it to PS4/XBOne. Those numbers don't exist yet
#2. Jan - Sep is the dull part of the year.
#3. Yes the sales for Wii U have been average however the writing wasn't on the wall from day 1. It still isn't. Neither is it for PS4/XBOne
#4.

who cares about sales?

@uptownsoul
#1. Facts but misleading facts that don't paint the whole picture. If you want to talk sales of the Wii U against its immediate competition there are only two ways to do it. Either talk about total install bases and maybe even expected instal bases over the next six months or talk about how they've performed at launch in comparison to each other. What you're doing is pointing to Wii U sales in a period that the PS4/XBOne haven't been through yet. Apples and Oranges.

#2 Typically the non-holiday period is the quietest period in terms of sales. January to July in particular is quiet because it's post Christmas buzz but pre-E3. This isn't an ideology or an idea to subscribe to, this is a fact.

#3 I was being polite. Average means bad
_{Let's not go there please — TBD}

#4 If I should care about sales because it will translate into good content then I don't care about sales as long as there is good content. There is good content right now therefore I don't care about sales. Simple.

To be fair to Nintendo, that middle-of-the-year low sales period had a lot to do with the fact that some games were being intentionally delayed/becoming un-exclusive by the third parties. Nintendo was not solely responsible for the loss of sales momentum.

And, as we have already seen with a number of PS4/Xbox One launch games getting delayed, they could just as well get delayed even further--especially if the third parties feel they can get a better profit releasing them in the winter rather than summer. Then those consoles also lose momentum.

The point is that these million-seller launches don't have any bearing on declaring a winner. In fact, more damning than the numbers I'd say is Ars Tecnica's recommendation NOT TO BUY EITHER SONY OR MICROSOFT SYSTEMS. Heck, they practically implied that they'd need to be threatened with a gun to actually choose a system to buy at the moment. ...Doesn't really fill "next-gen" with confidence at all.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/11/head-to-head-everything...

haha! That's precisely where I am right now with these new consoles.

I would rather be shot than have to choose blandness for another generation

Does anyone remember when both Sony and Microsoft said the 360 and PS3 would be around for 10 to 12 years? What do you suppose forced their hands? My theory is the release of the Wii U. There is absolutely no need for these systems yet. A casual glance at recent software proves it.

That being said, yes, there was a need for Nintendo to release a more powerful, HD system. I think the other two were fearful of a 360/PS3/Wii U market. And rightly so.