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SouLzi3R

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You could look at this topic inversely. What does the PS4 and Xbox One mean to Wii U. A little tricky to think about because Wii U has been out for a year but I think Nintendo had an inkling about the new systems before they released the Wii U. The answer is competition = Lower price = Happy Nintendo Customers who didn't have to wait a year and pay a lot more money for a second screen (Which I personally prefer over motion control). Regardless of sales numbers I think the end result was a genuinely happy customer. Happy so much in fact that they worry about the future of their company because they want more Nintendo products down the road. Seems like good business to me.

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shingi_70

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I agree with @SouLzi3R

The PS4 and Xbox One just both sold 1 million units in less time than it took the Wii U to (nearly 9 moths to get to 500,000). This 2 million overall userbase will give the third parties and maybe indie developers will use this as a n escape rope to onlyfocus on the other two systems.

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43. Posted:

shingi_70 wrote:

I agree with @SouLzi3R

The PS4 and Xbox One just both sold 1 million units in less time than it took the Wii U to (nearly 9 moths to get to 500,000). This 2 million overall userbase will give the third parties and maybe indie developers will use this as a n escape rope to onlyfocus on the other two systems.

Dude, the Wii U sold more than 500,000 in 9 months, otherwise the install base wouldn't be 4 million, worldwide.

If they only sold 500,000 in 9 months, that would mean they sold 2-2.5 million in the other 3 months or else the number would probably be closer to 1.5-2 million, and that's not the case. Nintendo had close to a million on it's launch, too, if you consider every regions launxh together. Around 333,333 more units sold per region for the Xbox One and PS4 will make the difference if they do indeed sell at least another million in the other regions.

Just thought I'd put things in perspective, because they definitely got more than 500,000 consoles sold in a 9 months.

EDIT: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/11/how-successful-was-the...

There's the link. They sold 3-4 times as much as you're saying(500,000) within 9 months.

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SCAR392 wrote:

shingi_70 wrote:

I agree with @SouLzi3R

The PS4 and Xbox One just both sold 1 million units in less time than it took the Wii U to (nearly 9 moths to get to 500,000). This 2 million overall userbase will give the third parties and maybe indie developers will use this as a n escape rope to onlyfocus on the other two systems.

Dude, the Wii U sold more than 500,000 in 9 months, otherwise the install base wouldn't be 4 million, worldwide.

If they only sold 500,000 in 9 months, that would mean they sold 2-2.5 million in the other 3 months or else the number would probably be closer to 1.5-2 million, and that's not the case. Nintendo had close to a million on it's launch, too, if you consider every regions launxh together. Around 333,333 more units sold per region for the Xbox One and PS4 will make the difference if they do indeed sell at least another million in the other regions.

Just thought I'd put things in perspective, because they definitely got more than 500,000 consoles sold in a 9 months.

EDIT: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/11/how-successful-was-the...

There's the link. They sold 3-4 times as much as you're saying(500,000) within 9 months.

3,9 million units has been sold to >Stores< per October 1st.
460 000 units was sold to customers the first 6 months (Q1,Q2)

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SCAR392

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You guys are SO naive... The people saying that PS4 sold 1 million on it's first day are the same people saying that the Wii U has sold around 4 million within the past year.

EDIT: The last info is also that Wii U has an overall software attach rate of 20 million. I don't know what the PS4 software attachment rate is, though.

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skywake

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The XBOne numbers were global and the PS4 numbers were for the US. How they turn out over the next few months is where it'll get interesting so 'till then everyone should just calm down. Also I think people quoting Wii U failure doom-figures in this thread are actually quoting weekly rather than monthly.

i.e. if we're talking global then the Wii U took just over two weeks to do what the XBOne is said to have done on day one. About six to match the PS4 equivalent. It again remains to be seen how well these numbers translate over the next weeks. It's damn good for these new consoles but lets not kid ourselves into thinking the Wii U took months and months to reach the numbers these consoles hit in a day.

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SCAR392

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@skywake
Exactly. 1 million is a good number, but I don't know where the hell @shingi_70 is getting the whole "500,000 in 9 months" bit. That's factually wrong.

Ya, the Wii U got alot of sales in it's first month and a half, then died down a bit(with small, but relevant sales), but it has also sold about another half a million just in the past month and a half once more games came out and the price went down.

Not party pooping, just putting things back into perspective. Sony could fail to restock appropriately, delay a game, have a server crash, whatever... We won't know how well it will actually do until it does more than it already has.

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SCAR392 wrote:

@skywake
Exactly. 1 million is a good number, but I don't know where the hell @shingi_70 is getting the whole "500,000 in 9 months" bit. That's factually wrong.

Ya, the Wii U got alot of sales in it's first month and a half, then died down a bit(with small, but relevant sales), but it has also sold about another half a million just in the past month and a half once more games came out and the price went down.

Not party pooping, just putting things back into perspective. Sony could fail to restock appropriately, delay a game, have a server crash, whatever... We won't know how well it will actually do until it does more than it already has.

If you look at the last numbers, shingu isnt far off.
The 1 million number PS4 and xbox are reporting is units sold to customers. Wii U had 460 000 units sold to customers per 6th month, and after that, up to october, the sales were really poor and stores has even sent Wii U`s back because they have to many.
Example; Japan week 42 (oct 14 - 20), Wii U sold 3000 units.

In Q3 Nintendo has only sold 0,3 million units to stores, making it a total of 3,9 million units sold to stores.

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Samurai_Goroh

49. Posted:

What does the Wii U mean to the PS4 and Xbox One. Don't know, what does the last true videogame console mean to two similar over-priced, medium-range gaming PCs? Don't know, don't care. I don't play on PCs.

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MAB

50. Posted:

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I don't give 2 poops about any fanboy sales wars really ;)

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Yellowgerbil

51. Posted:

The Wii U is a rather large threat this holiday, the only console to have a variety of great games this christmas (I don't think anyone would buy them for forza or resogun) that are exclusive to the console. The games that hit next year means Nintendo has a perfect opportunity to put out games that are superior to the games on other consoles, even if that doesn't do all that much, it would certainly make the other fanboys rage, a sight not seen since bayonetta 2.
I don't think that launch games should just have good scores, they have to also be exciting and give you the hype rush that we know all too well. Should people buy an Xbox one with Forza just to get that instant satisfaction of new generation graphics or the same with Killzone, both are good games but I have the feeling that if it was on a previous generation console they would have received lower reviews.

I hope the Wii U sells well in the long run, it gets less praise than it deserves, it could also be seen as the last true videogame console, which does what it needs to; run great games.

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Yellowgerbil

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The Wii U is a rather large threat this holiday, the only console to have a variety of great games this christmas (I don't think anyone would buy them for forza or resogun) that are exclusive to the console. The games that hit next year means Nintendo has a perfect opportunity to put out games that are superior to the games on other consoles, even if that doesn't do all that much, it would certainly make the other fanboys rage, a sight not seen since bayonetta 2.
I don't think that launch games should just have good scores, they have to also be exciting and give you the hype rush that we know all too well. Should people buy an Xbox one with Forza just to get that instant satisfaction of new generation graphics or the same with Killzone, both are good games but I have the feeling that if it was on a previous generation console they would have received lower reviews.

I hope the Wii U sells well in the long run, it gets less praise than it deserves, it could also be seen as the last true videogame console, which does what it needs to; run great games.

I am an avid monster hunter player that started quite recently on Ultimate, (Blue Rath Armor currently) the gameplay just keeps me coming back for more!
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Wind Waker HD
Pokemon X
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Yellowgerbil

53. Posted:

The Wii U is a rather large threat this holiday, the only console to have a variety of great games this christmas (I don't think anyone would buy them for forza or resogun) that are exclusive to the console. The games that hit next year means Nintendo has a perfect opportunity to put out games that are superior to the games on other consoles, even if that doesn't do all that much, it would certainly make the other fanboys rage, a sight not seen since bayonetta 2.
I don't think that launch games should just have good scores, they have to also be exciting and give you the hype rush that we know all too well. Should people buy an Xbox one with Forza just to get that instant satisfaction of new generation graphics or the same with Killzone, both are good games but I have the feeling that if it was on a previous generation console they would have received lower reviews.

I hope the Wii U sells well in the long run, it gets less praise than it deserves, it could also be seen as the last true videogame console, which does what it needs to; run great games.

I am an avid monster hunter player that started quite recently on Ultimate, (Blue Rath Armor currently) the gameplay just keeps me coming back for more!
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Super Mario 3D World
Wind Waker HD
Pokemon X
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate

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Yellowgerbil

54. Posted:

The Wii U is a rather large threat this holiday, the only console to have a variety of great games this christmas (I don't think anyone would buy them for forza or resogun) that are exclusive to the console. The games that hit next year means Nintendo has a perfect opportunity to put out games that are superior to the games on other consoles, even if that doesn't do all that much, it would certainly make the other fanboys rage, a sight not seen since bayonetta 2.
I don't think that launch games should just have good scores, they have to also be exciting and give you the hype rush that we know all too well. Should people buy an Xbox one with Forza just to get that instant satisfaction of new generation graphics or the same with Killzone, both are good games but I have the feeling that if it was on a previous generation console they would have received lower reviews.

I hope the Wii U sells well in the long run, it gets less praise than it deserves, it could also be seen as the last true videogame console, which does what it needs to; run great games.

I am an avid monster hunter player that started quite recently on Ultimate, (Blue Rath Armor currently) the gameplay just keeps me coming back for more!
Currently playing;
Super Mario 3D World
Wind Waker HD
Pokemon X
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate

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skywake

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NintendoLink wrote:

If you look at the last numbers, shingu isnt far off.
The 1 million number PS4 and xbox are reporting is units sold to customers. Wii U had 460 000 units sold to customers per 6th month, and after that, up to october, the sales were really poor and stores has even sent Wii U`s back because they have to many.

Per 6 month? 6 months of what? First week of sales the Wii U had moved 480k (just a US launch) and on the same number we know both the XBOne and PS4 are at upto ~1mill. Six months after launch the Wii U was at 3 mill globally which the keen observer would notice is not less than the PS4/XBOne have done on their first day as was implied.

What people in this thread have done is point to the January - June period as if somehow that's the number to be measuring these new consoles against the Wii U with. Then pointed to just the US to make it as small as possible while still being credible. However the Wii U didn't launch on January 1st, it launched in November. Those numbers aren't comparable to the launch numbers of PS4/XBOne regardless of how average they are.

Don't care about sales numbers but if people want to start a sales number fanboy war then they better at least be using reasonable comparisons.
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I don't give 2 poops about any fanboy sales wars really ;)

Me neither, let those big 3 greedy money hording Butthole-bits worry about all of that mind numbing boring blasphemy.
Sales don't determin how awesome a console is anyways, look at how well the stale station 4 has done in it's first day. Graphics really do matter these days....Teens love playing interactive movies. ;) scripted explosions, zero difficulty, hand holding all the way through, save points every 5 minutes and controls so overwhelming & complex they'll give your granny a pac man heart attack.

There's good news though! It just might be the console to cure insomnia!

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57. Posted:

SCAR392 wrote:

@skywake
Exactly. 1 million is a good number, but I don't know where the hell @shingi_70 is getting the whole "500,000 in 9 months" bit. That's factually wrong.

Ya, the Wii U got alot of sales in it's first month and a half, then died down a bit(with small, but relevant sales), but it has also sold about another half a million just in the past month and a half once more games came out and the price went down.

Not party pooping, just putting things back into perspective. Sony could fail to restock appropriately, delay a game, have a server crash, whatever... We won't know how well it will actually do until it does more than it already has.

Now wait a minute. I agree that the wii u did great its first month and a half (Launch(mid november 2012)-End of year 2012). It sold 3.06 Million units during that time, so everything was look good at that point. But from the quarterly reports that came out in October (showing 3.91Million units moved from launch till end of September) the wii u sold 850K from Jan-Sept, is much more than dying down "a bit". and although i believe the sales have picked up, I'm not sure where your getting the half million sales in the last month and a half. So if you can link that source.

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CountWavula wrote:

MadAussieBloke wrote:

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I don't give 2 poops about any fanboy sales wars really ;)

Me neither, let those big 3 greedy money hording Butthole-bits worry about all of that mind numbing boring blasphemy.
Sales don't determin how awesome a console is anyways, look at how well the stale station 4 has done in it's first day. Graphics really do matter these days....Teens love playing interactive movies. ;) scripted explosions, zero difficulty, hand holding all the way through, save points every 5 minutes and controls so overwhelming & complex they'll give your granny a pac man heart attack.

There's good news though! It just might be the console to cure insomnia!

This gen will be all about good original games...
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And that's what the MAB has already been playing for the past year anyway, unlike the haters ;)

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uptownsoul wrote:

Now wait a minute. I agree that the wii u did great its first month and a half (Launch(mid november 2012)-End of year 2012). It sold 3.06 Million units during that time, so everything was look good at that point. But from the quarterly reports that came out in October (showing 3.91Million units moved from launch till end of September) the wii u sold 850K from Jan-Sept, is much more than dying down "a bit". and although i believe the sales have picked up, I'm not sure where your getting the half million sales in the last month and a half. So if you can link that source.

#1. Apples and oranges when we're talking about comparing it to PS4/XBOne. Those numbers don't exist yet
#2. Jan - Sep is the dull part of the year.
#3. Yes the sales for Wii U have been average however the writing wasn't on the wall from day 1. It still isn't. Neither is it for PS4/XBOne
#4.

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who cares about sales?

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skywake wrote:

uptownsoul wrote:

Now wait a minute. I agree that the wii u did great its first month and a half (Launch(mid november 2012)-End of year 2012). It sold 3.06 Million units during that time, so everything was look good at that point. But from the quarterly reports that came out in October (showing 3.91Million units moved from launch till end of September) the wii u sold 850K from Jan-Sept, is much more than dying down "a bit". and although i believe the sales have picked up, I'm not sure where your getting the half million sales in the last month and a half. So if you can link that source.

#1. Apples and oranges when we're talking about comparing it to PS4/XBOne. Those numbers don't exist yet
#2. Jan - Sep is the dull part of the year.
#3. Yes the sales for Wii U have been average however the writing wasn't on the wall from day 1. It still isn't. Neither is it for PS4/XBOne
#4.who cares about sales?

#1) Not sure what your mean by apples and oranges, i'm just stating the facts on the sales.
#2) Sorry, i dont subscribe to the 3rd month in any console's lifecycle should be dull (or any of the first 6 months (Jan, Feb, Mar))
#3) The sales haven't been average, they've been bad. They will get better with the release of the up coming great titles.
#4) who cares about sales? Nintendo, any nintendo fan that wants consistent 3rd party games, anybody that has stock in nintendo. but i guess your point is, you dont care about sales, duly noted.

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