We've seen the baseline move with Mario Kart and it will move even more with Smash. Those two games will continue to move consoles the entire generation. Even with that though, the console isn't necessarily dead yet, but it will likely be Nintendo's lowest selling console ever. It's definitely the Gamecube 2. It's going to have a great attach rate and years down the road, it will be considered by its owners one of Nintendo's best machines, but it will fail to generate the mainstream interest of the competition.
I don't see how it would ever be considered one of Nintendo's best machines. The Gamecube was both very powerful for it's time, and incredibly affordable.
The Wii U is Nintendo's most expensive system since the SNES, and has a fraction of the power the PS4 and XB1 have. And in exchange for this lack of power is the Gamepad, a peripheral that adds very little to the gameplay experience.
As far as I can tell, the Wii U will be remembered as that 8th gen pay wall to play Nintendo games. As system for which we'd be better off if it didn't exist and Nintendo was 3rd Party.
People aren't gonna give a **** how much the system initially cost or how it compared graphically to systems at the type, it's just gonna be another retro system with great games and an interesting controller that sets it apart from any other system. Does anyone care that the Master System was more powerful than the NES in 1986? No that stuff won't matter in the future, what matters is if the games will hold up years from now. And the Gamepad will be a neat little feature that will allow certain Wii U games to never be replicated on another system, as we can assume no other console will have a second screen after the Wii U's financial mediocrity.
Nintendo will do exactly what they did with the N64 and Gamecube. Seemingly nothing but in 10 years time everyone will realise they kept their games to a consistently high standard.
I don't believe too much about the Nintendo Fusion but I would like to see them carry on the multi screen experiment. It is still in a pure potential phase because nobody has really tried much.
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We've seen the baseline move with Mario Kart and it will move even more with Smash. Those two games will continue to move consoles the entire generation. Even with that though, the console isn't necessarily dead yet, but it will likely be Nintendo's lowest selling console ever. It's definitely the Gamecube 2. It's going to have a great attach rate and years down the road, it will be considered by its owners one of Nintendo's best machines, but it will fail to generate the mainstream interest of the competition.
I don't see how it would ever be considered one of Nintendo's best machines. The Gamecube was both very powerful for it's time, and incredibly affordable.
The Wii U is Nintendo's most expensive system since the SNES, and has a fraction of the power the PS4 and XB1 have. And in exchange for this lack of power is the Gamepad, a peripheral that adds very little to the gameplay experience.
As far as I can tell, the Wii U will be remembered as that 8th gen pay wall to play Nintendo games. As system for which we'd be better off if it didn't exist and Nintendo was 3rd Party.
People aren't gonna give a **** how much the system initially cost or how it compared graphically to systems at the type, it's just gonna be another retro system with great games and an interesting controller that sets it apart from any other system. Does anyone care that the Master System was more powerful than the NES in 1986? No that stuff won't matter in the future, what matters is if the games will hold up years from now. And the Gamepad will be a neat little feature that will allow certain Wii U games to never be replicated on another system, as we can assume no other console will have a second screen after the Wii U's financial mediocrity.
People care about getting value for their money, so cost and hardware (as it pertains to gameplay; I don't like to just define this as graphics) absolutely matter. If people weren't interested in upgraded technology for their games, there wouldn't be console generations at all. Everything would just keep getting developed for NES forever, and we'd see peripherals to add some convenient features that are independent of gameplay.
That's not to say game's don't matter. They obviously do. Otherwise the 3DO and the Neo-Geo would be runaway hits. But they matter when they are on a system that has value in itself. Say that, for Nintendo's next system, they put out a NEW system that's barely more powerful than the NES, and it costs $600. By some miracle the games happen to be great for the system. Would you actually buy that? The system isn't adding anything to the industry, all of the games on that system could be made for the Wii U eShop, or, if Nintendo was feeling gutsy, for the original NES.
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We've seen the baseline move with Mario Kart and it will move even more with Smash. Those two games will continue to move consoles the entire generation. Even with that though, the console isn't necessarily dead yet, but it will likely be Nintendo's lowest selling console ever. It's definitely the Gamecube 2. It's going to have a great attach rate and years down the road, it will be considered by its owners one of Nintendo's best machines, but it will fail to generate the mainstream interest of the competition.
I don't see how it would ever be considered one of Nintendo's best machines. The Gamecube was both very powerful for it's time, and incredibly affordable.
The Wii U is Nintendo's most expensive system since the SNES, and has a fraction of the power the PS4 and XB1 have. And in exchange for this lack of power is the Gamepad, a peripheral that adds very little to the gameplay experience.
As far as I can tell, the Wii U will be remembered as that 8th gen pay wall to play Nintendo games. As system for which we'd be better off if it didn't exist and Nintendo was 3rd Party.
People aren't gonna give a **** how much the system initially cost or how it compared graphically to systems at the type, it's just gonna be another retro system with great games and an interesting controller that sets it apart from any other system. Does anyone care that the Master System was more powerful than the NES in 1986? No that stuff won't matter in the future, what matters is if the games will hold up years from now. And the Gamepad will be a neat little feature that will allow certain Wii U games to never be replicated on another system, as we can assume no other console will have a second screen after the Wii U's financial mediocrity.
People care about getting value for their money, so cost and hardware (as it pertains to gameplay; I don't like to just define this as graphics) absolutely matter. If people weren't interested in upgraded technology for their games, there wouldn't be console generations at all. Everything would just keep getting developed for NES forever, and we'd see peripherals to add some convenient features that are independent of gameplay.
That's not to say game's don't matter. They obviously do. Otherwise the 3DO and the Neo-Geo would be runaway hits. But they matter when they are on a system that has value in itself. Say that, for Nintendo's next system, they put out a NEW system that's barely more powerful than the NES, and it costs $600. By some miracle the games happen to be great for the system. Would you actually buy that? The system isn't adding anything to the industry, all of the games on that system could be made for the Wii U eShop, or, if Nintendo was feeling gutsy, for the original NES.
I'm not talking about nowadays, I'm talking about years down the road when the Wii U is one of many inexpensive retro consoles.
And the games are the thing that matter at the end of the day. If the same title is on a graphically superior console than fine the power matters, but when the games are completely different, it's the one that's the most fun to play while doing new things that matter.
Also I would buy a new-NES style system if it was well supported, but (much like the Wii U) it wouldn't cost anywhere near 600 dollars.
They can't do anything, they just have to stick with it. If they try to abandon the Wii U. Nintendo will fall. So the Wii U ain't going no where...Just yet.
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A part of my fondness for the Wii U is that I'm a game collector, and I feel that many Wii U games will still hold up since they were focused on different styles of gameplay instead of being a stepping stone in the technological advancements of popular genres that will be immediately outdated when the next generation comes.
People aren't gonna give a **** how much the system initially cost or how it compared graphically to systems at the type, it's just gonna be another retro system with great games and an interesting controller that sets it apart from any other system. Does anyone care that the Master System was more powerful than the NES in 1986? No that stuff won't matter in the future, what matters is if the games will hold up years from now. And the Gamepad will be a neat little feature that will allow certain Wii U games to never be replicated on another system, as we can assume no other console will have a second screen after the Wii U's financial mediocrity.
The better comparison would be the Gameboy and Gamegear. The Gamegear was significantly more powerful but nobody remembers its games anywhere near as much as they remember Tetris, Super Mario Land or Pokemon. Content is king, even moreso when you're looking back.
Also I'm willing to bet that the Wii U's GamePad will be looked back on as ahead of its time. There may not be a home console that's identical to it in that sort of way but streaming games to a portable thin-client like that? I don't think that's going anywhere. It's a pretty fantastic way to enjoy games and Nintendo aren't the only ones giving it a go. Everyone is having a go at that and as screens get cheaper, batteries get better and network speeds keep improving? It's only going to make more sense.
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Funny how no one seems to be talking about the Xbox One's "lackluster" sales.. It has been trailing the Wii U in recent times, but no, the Wii U is a FLOP, dead and doomed!
@Guovssohas the difference is that the Wii u has been out longer and the Xbox one has a mainstream appeal unlike the wii u. The Xbox one will outsell the Wii U, especially in Europe and America but at as long as Nintendo continue to support the system I don't really mind. I personally think that Nintendo will just continue to support the system for another 3 to 4 years, they would be stupid to replace it.
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I don't really think any of the games announced will do much to sell systems. But I think Amiibo will sell systems just because kids will eat that up. I think they do what they did with the Gamecube and continue to put out good to great games until they put the machine out of its misery. I also don't think they are going to make games with MASSIVE budgets this gen because of sales except for Zelda and to a lesser extent Metroid Prime (it's got to be coming guys).
I don't really think any of the games announced will do much to sell systems. But I think Amiibo will sell systems just because kids will eat that up. I think they do what they did with the Gamecube and continue to put out good to great games until they put the machine out of its misery. I also don't think they are going to make games with MASSIVE budgets this gen because of sales except for Zelda and to a lesser extent Metroid Prime (it's got to be coming guys).
You don't think these are system sellers:
Hyrule Warriors
Bayonetta 2
Smash Bros. 4
Captain Toad's Treasure Tracker
Yoshi's Wooly World
Splatoon
Zelda U
Star Fox U
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
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I don't really think any of the games announced will do much to sell systems. But I think Amiibo will sell systems just because kids will eat that up. I think they do what they did with the Gamecube and continue to put out good to great games until they put the machine out of its misery. I also don't think they are going to make games with MASSIVE budgets this gen because of sales except for Zelda and to a lesser extent Metroid Prime (it's got to be coming guys).
You don't think these are system sellers: Hyrule Warriors Bayonetta 2
Smash Bros. 4
Captain Toad's Treasure Tracker
Yoshi's Wooly World Splatoon
Zelda U
Star Fox U
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No. Just no. I felt like i should have bolded more but not sure.
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I don't really think any of the games announced will do much to sell systems. But I think Amiibo will sell systems just because kids will eat that up. I think they do what they did with the Gamecube and continue to put out good to great games until they put the machine out of its misery. I also don't think they are going to make games with MASSIVE budgets this gen because of sales except for Zelda and to a lesser extent Metroid Prime (it's got to be coming guys).
You don't think these are system sellers: Hyrule Warriors Bayonetta 2
Smash Bros. 4
Captain Toad's Treasure Tracker
Yoshi's Wooly World Splatoon
Zelda U
Star Fox U
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No. Just no. I felt like i should have bolded more but not sure.
I don't think Captain Toad will be a system seller considering its kinda niche, and I agree that your already bolded out titles won't do much in terms of sales for the Wii U.
I do think Animal Crossing will be coming to the Wii U in 2015 (given the Wii U Animal Crossing plaza and the MK8 DLC), if that turns out to be true, along with Zelda U, the Wii U will remain afloat till 2016, Star Fox was such an early build that I have to believe 2016 is more realistic.
I understand the other two, but how the **** is Splatoon not at least a potential system seller? It's a kid friendly multiplayer shooter on Nintendo, that could be big depending on how things go.
For that matter, who is buying a Wii U because of Captain Toad or Yarn Yoshi by comparison? A 3D World spinoff was made pretty much just because people liked it in 3D World and Yoshi Yarn isn't exactly getting some new audience that I know of (maybe Little Big Planet fans?)
I understand the other two, but how the **** is Splatoon not at least a potential system seller? It's a kid friendly multiplayer shooter on Nintendo, that could be big depending on how things go.
I kinda agree that Splatoon won't be a system seller most likely,..........it's guaranteed to please Nintendo fans, and it had a good unveiling at E3, given that it was a new IP.......but still, I don't see it lighting the world on fire, in the same vein that P VS Z: Garden Warfare failed to blow up, despite a lot of praise
Did you just not answer your own question? I can't discount everything, that would be mean! Splatoon is new (different) and very much a question mark title atm, it could change as you say.
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Hyrule Warriors - Will sell because of Zelda (plus it is a good game)
Bayonetta 2 - Lots of people were begging for it to come to other consoles, would imagine it is going to sell some systems
Smash 4 - Always been a big seller, might be hurt a little by the 3DS version but people have already purchased consoles just for it.
Captain Toad's Treasure Tracker - connected to the Mario series which is going to help.
Yoshi's Wooly World - probably a stretch to say it is going to be a system seller
Splatoon - Huge title, one of the best at E3 2014. Lots of people are excited about this.
Zelda U - really, it is going to sell
Star Fox U - another questionable one but I think it will bring more people to Wii U.
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
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Yoshi's Wooly World - probably a stretch to say it is going to be a system seller
This could be a huge system seller if marketing and targeting the right audience. I've shown the E3 footage of Yoshi's Wooly World to some non-gaming parents (people who don't know the difference between any console brands) and the usual reaction was "I need this! What machine do I need to play it?". For them, that creative world (and the claymation style in the new Kirby game) are things they can relate to.
Yoshi's Wooly World - probably a stretch to say it is going to be a system seller
This could be a huge system seller if marketing and targeting the right audience. I've shown the E3 footage of Yoshi's Wooly World to some non-gaming parents (people who don't know the difference between any console brands) and the usual reaction was "I need this! What machine do I need to play it?". For them, that creative world (and the claymation style in the new Kirby game) are things they can relate to.
I know my wife and her friends all want to play this game, and from what I played at E3 it is a really awesome game. I just didn't want my experience with showing it affect what I thought the masses wanted. Glad to hear other people excited about it lol.
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
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I don't really think any of the games announced will do much to sell systems. But I think Amiibo will sell systems just because kids will eat that up. I think they do what they did with the Gamecube and continue to put out good to great games until they put the machine out of its misery. I also don't think they are going to make games with MASSIVE budgets this gen because of sales except for Zelda and to a lesser extent Metroid Prime (it's got to be coming guys).
You don't think these are system sellers:
Hyrule Warriors
Bayonetta 2
Smash Bros. 4
Captain Toad's Treasure Tracker
Yoshi's Wooly World
Splatoon
Zelda U
Star Fox U
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