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Chrono_Cross

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19Robb92 wrote:

Still a new IP though. Otherwise it'd be called ExciteBike. Luigi's Mansion is also considered a new IP, even though it originates from the Mario universe.

I think you mean spin off. In this case, Halo Wars was a new IP as well.

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I think you mean spin off. In this case, Halo Wars was a new IP as well.

Good to know.

Maybe, but what is Xenoblade then? Just a Xeno[Gears] spin off? They just changed the name a little, yet it's considered a new IP.

Though, I get what you're saying. Technically, ExciteBots would be a new IP as well by my reasoning. And it's obviously a sequels to ExciteTruck. But the ExciteBike and ExciteTruck games are vastly different, that's why I'd consider them as different IP's.

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19Robb92 wrote:

Chrono_Cross wrote:

I think you mean spin off. In this case, Halo Wars was a new IP as well.

Good to know.

Maybe, but what is Xenoblade then? Just a Xeno[Gears] spin off? They just changed the name a little, yet it's considered a new IP.

Though, I get what you're saying. Technically, ExciteBots would be a new IP as well by my reasoning. And it's obviously a sequels to ExciteTruck. But the ExciteBike and ExciteTruck games are vastly different, that's why I'd consider them as different IP's.

Kid Icarus Uprising is a new IP as well. Even though it shares the same name in the title (Kid Icarus or Excite), the last word in the title automatically makes it a new IP especially comparing the dramatically different gameplay.

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Chrono_Cross wrote:

Kid Icarus Uprising is a new IP as well. Even though it shares the same name in the title (Kid Icarus or Excite), the last word in the title automatically makes it a new IP especially comparing the dramatically different gameplay.

Is this sarcasm?

As for new IPs, we get them all the time, people. It's already been said--check the eShop.

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Of course I'm not serious. But that's Robb's logic.

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19Robb92 wrote:

Chrono_Cross wrote:

19Robb92 wrote:

We got the whole Wii-franchise of games ExciteTruck

Excite Truck isn't a new franchise as it's apart of the Excite series: Bike, Truck and Bots.

Still a new IP though. Otherwise it'd be called ExciteBike. Luigi's Mansion is also considered a new IP, even though it originates from the Mario universe.

Luigi's Mansion is a spinoff and even if it wasn't its not a new IP because the original came out in 2001.

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Chrono_Cross wrote:

Kid Icarus Uprising is a new IP as well. Even though it shares the same name in the title (Kid Icarus or Excite), the last word in the title automatically makes it a new IP especially comparing the dramatically different gameplay.

That's not the same though.. If it had been called Kid[insert something else]: Uprising, would it still be considered part of the KidIcarus IP? The name has very little to do with it. It's more about the assets used.

ExciteTruck has no assets taken from ExcitBike, so why should it be considered a 'classic IP'?

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Luigi's Mansion is a spinoff and even if it wasn't its not a new IP because the original came out in 2001.

Luigi's Mansion is now a new series. It's Luigi's own game(s), not a Mario game. Hence, a new IP... as in new assets (music, design, characters etc).

It's honestly very surprising to me what some people consider a 'Mario game'. Just because a game uses some assets from a Mario title in it does not mean it's a Mario spin-off. Mario Tennis, that's a spin-off. Featuring assets from only the Mario titles. Luigi's Mansion is a whole different experience featuring a different character with different characteristics and new original assets.

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I am sorry, I think you misunderstood me.

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Then again, the Wii was financially successful and we did not see any new first-party franchises.

Wut?

We got the whole Wii-franchise of games, Flingsmash, Xenoblade, ExciteTruck, Disastet: Day of Crisis, Captain Rainbow, Endless Ocean, Pandoras Tower etc.

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first-party franchises.

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Psylumin wrote:

19Robb92 wrote:

Psylumin wrote:

Then again, the Wii was financially successful and we did not see any new first-party franchises.

Wut?

We got the whole Wii-franchise of games, Flingsmash, Xenoblade, ExciteTruck, Disastet: Day of Crisis, Captain Rainbow, Endless Ocean, Pandoras Tower etc.

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first-party franchises.

Yes?

Nintendo owns those franchises, hence, 1st party.

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19Robb92 wrote:

Yes?

Nintendo owns those franchises, hence, 1st party.

Oh, my apologies then, I thought the thread was asking for Nintendo developed new IPs.
If that is the case, there is no need to complain. You are completely right since there were quite a few Nintendo-owned new franchises.

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Oh, my apologies then, I thought the thread was asking for Nintendo developed new IPs.
If that is the case, there is no need to complain.

It kind of does. But you have to remember that Nintendo is a lot more than just Nintendo EAD etc.

Monolith Soft, for example, IS Nintendo. They're owned by Nintendo and is a part of the company. Everything they make is a Nintendo game now. Same with lots of other companies that are under Nintendo's wings.

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Of course, you are absolutely right.
Then I don't see any reason to complain about recent years? Nintendo has been doing quite well in that regard (publishing new IP), and I believe they hold the rights to Wonderful 101 as well which is a new franchise?

[Edit]: Excuse me, Platinum Games is not under Nintendo's wing, so that's different.

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shingi_70

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The problem is the amount of new IP and other fracnises is smaller than compared to Mario.

I mean at this point I thought we would be seeing more Nintendo produced eshop content for Wii U. Give me a few IPs and something like a 2D metroid on the eshop.

Also I think Nintendo needs more development studios in general.

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Psylumin wrote:

Of course, you are absolutely right.
Then I don't see any reason to complain about recent years? Nintendo has been doing quite well in that regard (publishing new IP), and I believe they hold the rights to Wonderful 101 as well which is a new franchise?

[Edit]: Excuse me, Platinum Games is not under Nintendo's wing, so that's different.

Yeah, it's been OK. The new IP's they've delivered have, however, been pretty low quality with the exception of Xenoblade and some others. I mean, FlingSmash is pretty darn bad IMO. But to say we haven't gotten any new IP's is just a lie.

I don't know about TW101 actually.. Depends on the contract I assume. It could be that Nintendo owns the assets and are just paying Platinum to create the game. I have no idea.

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I mean at this point I thought we would be seeing more Nintendo produced eshop content for Wii U. Give me a few IPs and something like a 2D metroid on the eshop.

I agree with this. I definitely thought Nintendo would have lots of smaller titles developed for the WiiU eShop. I'm surprised 3DS is getting all the eShop love, WiiU would really benefit from some more original content on its shop.

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I was actually expecting Dillon's rolling western 2 or Samurai Samurai 2 for Wii U eshop. I think the Wii U is in greater need of eshop titles than the 3DS currently is.

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It'd be a bit weird to develop Dillon 2 for the WiiU and force the install base of the first one to play it on WiiU IMO. But I get what you're saying. WiiU is definitely in need of more content, overall. 3DS will do just fine, I say give that system a break and focus more on the WiiU.

Having some smaller eShop titles would also be a great way to fill the gap between retail releases.

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In a perfect world, a new great IP would come out two or three times a year. However, we as gamers are our own worst enemies when it comes to new IP's. In recent years there have been very few new IP's that have performed up to expectations. The only real example I have seen is the Skylanders series. As a matter of fact the year Skylanders came out, it was the only new IP in at least the Top 10 that year. Everything else was ether a sequel or a spin off. Truth be told, even Skylanders began as a reworking of Spyro. It since took on a life of its own.

Budget dollars are really tight at the moment. In the gaming world now, we either see big budget huge titles or small indie titles developed by a few. Again, I am being general there are always some exceptions. All this means is this. Companies like Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony have fewer dollars to allocate towards an IP that is unproven. Instead, they allocate those dollars to titles that might have more name recognition and proved itself to be a seller in the past. Again, there are exceptions. Naughty Dog's the Last of Us is on its way, and Sony can be applauded for taking a chance, but that's what it is....taking a chance.

That is not saying Nintendo hasn't put out new IP's. Many of those everyone here has listed, but though some have been met with critical acclaim, they have not made the mark as a Mario game has. The powers that be recognize these things and plan accordingly. Hopefully, once this new generation of systems have been out and the industry as a whole sees the downward trend turnaround, we will start seeing the new IP's everyone wants. I hate to use the old saying, "the timing is bad'" but unfortunately, right now, "The timing is bad."

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19Robb92 wrote:

That's not the same though.. If it had been called Kid[insert something else]: Uprising, would it still be considered part of the KidIcarus IP? The name has very little to do with it. It's more about the assets used.

ExciteTruck has no assets taken from ExcitBike, so why should it be considered a 'classic IP'?

It's still apart of the Excite series. Excite is the name of the franchise i.e. Super Mario or Legend of Zelda.

There's no denying this, and to compare assets of an NES game to a Wii one, is absurd.

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19Robb92 wrote:

ExciteTruck has no assets taken from ExcitBike, so why should it be considered a 'classic IP'?

IP is, at least for the sake of this thread/logic, about name only. So while I agree with your logic to a point, you are factually wrong.

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I'd like to see some cool new Ninty IPs.

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