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Sean_Aaron

21. Posted:

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I honestly don't see both Xbox and Playstation surviving through this next generation. Sony seems to be the most vulnerable since its stock is borderline worthless. Unless their next machine is massive sales-wise I think they'll be dropping out of games completely unless they have a profitable development arm. I don't know what to think of Ouya - Steambox makes more sense to me, but I'm not really seeing a meaningful market for either of them. I think this generation is Nintendo's to lose, really.

In its last financial results Sony posted a profit and it's stock is 60 per cent higher than it was last year.

Sony's console division is its most lucrative.

3rd Qtr. results don't indicate that as anything to do with organic growth, but I'll admit I'm not an accountant: http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/12q3_sony.pdf

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Anyone with an attention span at all can recognize Wii U is a different console. I knew the difference between GB, GBC, GBA, etc., and I was 6 years old. I understood differences between SNES, Sega Genesis, N64, PS1, GCN, PS2, XBOX, etc. I guess what I'm trying to get at, is that all those things are kind of similar for what they do, and how they do them, but even a child can look at Wii U, and understand it's not Wii. You can't even buy the Gamepad seperate, so there's no way to make a mistake like that anyway. When they do start selling gamepads seperate, by then, they expect people to know even more about the differences. People can somehow notice the difference between Apples products, so this should be a breeze to get past.

I think you are giving people, and Nintendo's marketing, too much credit. I occasionally work the electronics department at my store and last week a woman asked me what that "U" symbol was on this Wii game, and another person pointed at the Wii U console in the demo station and asked if you had to buy that too or if the Gamepad was a standalone console itself. These questions occur all the time, and I'd imagine it is still like this across the country.

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Anyone with an attention span at all can recognize Wii U is a different console. I knew the difference between GB, GBC, GBA, etc., and I was 6 years old. I understood differences between SNES, Sega Genesis, N64, PS1, GCN, PS2, XBOX, etc. I guess what I'm trying to get at, is that all those things are kind of similar for what they do, and how they do them, but even a child can look at Wii U, and understand it's not Wii. You can't even buy the Gamepad seperate, so there's no way to make a mistake like that anyway. When they do start selling gamepads seperate, by then, they expect people to know even more about the differences. People can somehow notice the difference between Apples products, so this should be a breeze to get past.

I think you are giving people, and Nintendo's marketing, too much credit. I occasionally work the electronics department at my store and last week a woman asked me what that "U" symbol was on this Wii game, and another person pointed at the Wii U console in the demo station and asked if you had to buy that too or if the Gamepad was a standalone console itself. These questions occur all the time, and I'd imagine it is still like this across the country.

Maybe. All I know, is that I've never had any problems understanding what things are, and how they work. I instantly knew what DS, Wii, and Wii U were, and how they worked. I think alot of those people asking you questions overthink what the products actually do. Bomb goes boom, see? That's super easy to understand.

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SCAR392 wrote:

brooks83 wrote:

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Anyone with an attention span at all can recognize Wii U is a different console. I knew the difference between GB, GBC, GBA, etc., and I was 6 years old. I understood differences between SNES, Sega Genesis, N64, PS1, GCN, PS2, XBOX, etc. I guess what I'm trying to get at, is that all those things are kind of similar for what they do, and how they do them, but even a child can look at Wii U, and understand it's not Wii. You can't even buy the Gamepad seperate, so there's no way to make a mistake like that anyway. When they do start selling gamepads seperate, by then, they expect people to know even more about the differences. People can somehow notice the difference between Apples products, so this should be a breeze to get past.

I think you are giving people, and Nintendo's marketing, too much credit. I occasionally work the electronics department at my store and last week a woman asked me what that "U" symbol was on this Wii game, and another person pointed at the Wii U console in the demo station and asked if you had to buy that too or if the Gamepad was a standalone console itself. These questions occur all the time, and I'd imagine it is still like this across the country.

Maybe. All I know, is that I've never had any problems understanding what things are, and how they work. I instantly knew what DS, Wii, and Wii U were, and how they worked. I think alot of those people asking you questions overthink what the products actually do. Bomb goes boom, see? That's super easy to understand.

Really? Someone who is so actively involved in the Nintendo games community that he posts on a Nintendo fan site "instantly knew what Nintendo consoles were and how they worked?" Who would have thought.

I agree with Brooks. I was in a game store a couple of weeks ago and there was a father and young (8-10 years old) son there. The son was trying ever so desperately to explain to the father what the Wii U was, but the father clearly didn't really get it.

Nothing about the father suggested he was an idiot. Just a normal guy who's not that keen on games and was in the shop for his son's sake. Thing is though, he was the one with the money, and it looked unlikely the son was going to win him over with his arguments. Not when the son "already had a Wii."

Nintendo has a very steep challenge in building a recognisable brand in the Wii U, as distinct from the Wii. Believe it or not, but the super hardcore Nintendo fans aren't actually Nintendo's concern in this regard.

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Bankai wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

brooks83 wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

Anyone with an attention span at all can recognize Wii U is a different console. I knew the difference between GB, GBC, GBA, etc., and I was 6 years old. I understood differences between SNES, Sega Genesis, N64, PS1, GCN, PS2, XBOX, etc. I guess what I'm trying to get at, is that all those things are kind of similar for what they do, and how they do them, but even a child can look at Wii U, and understand it's not Wii. You can't even buy the Gamepad seperate, so there's no way to make a mistake like that anyway. When they do start selling gamepads seperate, by then, they expect people to know even more about the differences. People can somehow notice the difference between Apples products, so this should be a breeze to get past.

I think you are giving people, and Nintendo's marketing, too much credit. I occasionally work the electronics department at my store and last week a woman asked me what that "U" symbol was on this Wii game, and another person pointed at the Wii U console in the demo station and asked if you had to buy that too or if the Gamepad was a standalone console itself. These questions occur all the time, and I'd imagine it is still like this across the country.

Maybe. All I know, is that I've never had any problems understanding what things are, and how they work. I instantly knew what DS, Wii, and Wii U were, and how they worked. I think alot of those people asking you questions overthink what the products actually do. Bomb goes boom, see? That's super easy to understand.

Really? Someone who is so actively involved in the Nintendo games community that he posts on a Nintendo fan site "instantly knew what Nintendo consoles were and how they worked?" Who would have thought.

I agree with Brooks. I was in a game store a couple of weeks ago and there was a father and young (8-10 years old) son there. The son was trying ever so desperately to explain to the father what the Wii U was, but the father clearly didn't really get it.

Nothing about the father suggested he was an idiot. Just a normal guy who's not that keen on games and was in the shop for his son's sake. Thing is though, he was the one with the money, and it looked unlikely the son was going to win him over with his arguments. Not when the son "already had a Wii."

Nintendo has a very steep challenge in building a recognisable brand in the Wii U, as distinct from the Wii. Believe it or not, but the super hardcore Nintendo fans aren't actually Nintendo's concern in this regard.

True. To be fair though, I see people with kids that treat them like crap regardless on whether the kid knows what they're saying or not. Even with good reason.
Nowadays, a kid can say, 'I told you so', to his parents VERY EASILY, and it doesn't matter. It doesn't change the parents attitude towards their children. The kid might as well go through withdrawal. I'm not saying kids should always get what they want, but it's rare to see a parent that can understand, or understand they don't understand, and embrace that. I feel sorry for alot of kids alot of the time.

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That post is kinda off topic. My point is, is that people are ignorant, so if they don't care, no one cares. You're not gonna change someones mind who being ignorant no matter what. Seeing is believing.
EDIT: If someone wants to know what Wii U is, they will find a way to understand.

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27. Posted:

SCAR392 wrote:

Bankai wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

brooks83 wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

Anyone with an attention span at all can recognize Wii U is a different console. I knew the difference between GB, GBC, GBA, etc., and I was 6 years old. I understood differences between SNES, Sega Genesis, N64, PS1, GCN, PS2, XBOX, etc. I guess what I'm trying to get at, is that all those things are kind of similar for what they do, and how they do them, but even a child can look at Wii U, and understand it's not Wii. You can't even buy the Gamepad seperate, so there's no way to make a mistake like that anyway. When they do start selling gamepads seperate, by then, they expect people to know even more about the differences. People can somehow notice the difference between Apples products, so this should be a breeze to get past.

I think you are giving people, and Nintendo's marketing, too much credit. I occasionally work the electronics department at my store and last week a woman asked me what that "U" symbol was on this Wii game, and another person pointed at the Wii U console in the demo station and asked if you had to buy that too or if the Gamepad was a standalone console itself. These questions occur all the time, and I'd imagine it is still like this across the country.

Maybe. All I know, is that I've never had any problems understanding what things are, and how they work. I instantly knew what DS, Wii, and Wii U were, and how they worked. I think alot of those people asking you questions overthink what the products actually do. Bomb goes boom, see? That's super easy to understand.

Really? Someone who is so actively involved in the Nintendo games community that he posts on a Nintendo fan site "instantly knew what Nintendo consoles were and how they worked?" Who would have thought.

I agree with Brooks. I was in a game store a couple of weeks ago and there was a father and young (8-10 years old) son there. The son was trying ever so desperately to explain to the father what the Wii U was, but the father clearly didn't really get it.

Nothing about the father suggested he was an idiot. Just a normal guy who's not that keen on games and was in the shop for his son's sake. Thing is though, he was the one with the money, and it looked unlikely the son was going to win him over with his arguments. Not when the son "already had a Wii."

Nintendo has a very steep challenge in building a recognisable brand in the Wii U, as distinct from the Wii. Believe it or not, but the super hardcore Nintendo fans aren't actually Nintendo's concern in this regard.

True. To be fair though, I see people with kids that treat them like crap regardless on whether the kid knows what they're saying or not. Even with good reason.
Nowadays, a kid can say, 'I told you so', to his parents VERY EASILY, and it doesn't matter. It doesn't change the parents attitude towards their children. The kid might as well go through withdrawal. I'm not saying kids should always get what they want, but it's rare to see a parent that can understand, or understand they don't understand, and embrace that. I feel sorry for alot of kids alot of the time.

This is way off topic, but I understand parent's unwillingness to take what a child says at face value.

Aside from the occasional moment where they are proven right, it's a near-universal fact that children (and by children I do mean up to and often well past University student age) know nowhere near as much as they think they did.

With that in mind I tend not to pass judgement on people I've randomly observe interacting with their children. I suspect that the parent knows the child better than I do.

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Looking mighty bright to me. Don't know how it'll turn out for Nintendo, but with all the games they have in store - I can hardly complain. :)

Can't wait to see the new 3D Mario and Mario Kart game at E3! :D

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I have to agree im a very big fan of nintendo but if nintendo want to see improvement they first need to bring the prices down on wii u games and the consle, they also need to advertise there products more u dont even see there commercial that much also make a better virtual consle for example bring gamecube and nintendo needs to bring youtube and more apps on the 3ds and they also need more hard-core games like example only gta5 skyrim stuff like that..... make the wii u able to fuction the game-pad with 2 or more but more battery life on the game-pad but other then that i would always be a nintendo fan

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Bankai

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I have to agree im a very big fan of nintendo but if nintendo want to see improvement they first need to bring the prices down on wii u games and the consle, they also need to advertise there products more u dont even see there commercial that much also make a better virtual consle for example bring gamecube and nintendo needs to bring youtube and more apps on the 3ds and they also need more hard-core games like example only gta5 skyrim stuff like that..... make the wii u able to fuction the game-pad with 2 or more but more battery life on the game-pad but other then that i would always be a nintendo fan

So Nintendo should spend more money and make less in return.

I'm sure that will work great. After Apple buys the company because its share value collapses I will finally get some Fire Emblem on my iPad :D

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Sean_Aaron

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The confusion thing is a puzzler. I mean the Wii U is clearly a different-shaped box, but I'm thinking retaining the Wii brand might not have been the best idea in retrospect or at least not just putting "U" after it. 3DS is clearly different from DS.

I dunno. In any event their marketing needs some work. How about the good old giant "All New!" sticker on the box that's worked for detergent companies lo these many years?

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Bankai

32. Posted:

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The confusion thing is a puzzler. I mean the Wii U is clearly a different-shaped box, but I'm thinking retaining the Wii brand might not have been the best idea in retrospect or at least not just putting "U" after it. 3DS is clearly different from DS.

I dunno. In any event their marketing needs some work. How about the good old giant "All New!" sticker on the box that's worked for detergent companies lo these many years?

I really like that idea, actually. It's simple and it would resonate with the people who are having the most trouble understanding the Wii U - the non gamers and parents.

Who has Iwata's email? :P

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The Wii U is going to be a huge succes later on, just as soon as the "must have" games starts coming out.
Mario kart, 3d mario, new zelda, super smash bros. is on the way.
And I'm really hoping that retro studios is working on a new metroid game :)
There's no chance it won't be succesful!

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JimLad

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Look at it from a new customers point of view:

This console costs £300. You can get a couple of small budget Nintendo games (yes, they are small budget when compared to a real killer app like Mario Galaxy) some third party games, the best of which you can get on other consoles probably cheaper. It has less media functions, less online functions, and has pretty much the same graphical power as the 'last-gen' consoles.
Then there's the controller, which is supposed to be the main hook. Only it doesn't seem to add anything revolutionary enough to make up for the other shortcomings. Sure you get some cool gimmicks and multiplayer functions out of it, but for the most part it's just maps and inventory. Personally I'd rather have a normal sized controller and just press start for those things.
The Wii Remote on the other hand needed no explaining, people just took one look at Wii Sports and wanted it. THAT was a must-have gadget, this is not.

But their main problem right now is games. Nintendo have always been able to survive on first party titles. In all honesty though I haven't seen anything truely impressive from them for a long time. Not since about 2010. Skyward Sword seems to be the only 'big' game they've come out with in recent years, which to me was a let down and felt cheaply made.
Sure there's probably more stuff on the way, but when? By then the damage will have been done, and I don't think they'll recover their market share.

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Look at it from a new customers point of view:

This console costs £300. You can get a couple of small budget Nintendo games (yes, they are small budget when compared to a real killer app like Mario Galaxy) some third party games, the best of which you can get on other consoles probably cheaper. It has less media functions, less online functions, and has pretty much the same graphical power as the 'last-gen' consoles.
Then there's the controller, which is supposed to be the main hook. Only it doesn't seem to add anything revolutionary enough to make up for the other shortcomings. Sure you get some cool gimmicks and multiplayer functions out of it, but for the most part it's just maps and inventory. Personally I'd rather have a normal sized controller and just press start for those things.
The Wii Remote on the other hand needed no explaining, people just took one look at Wii Sports and wanted it. THAT was a must-have gadget, this is not.

But their main problem right now is games. Nintendo have always been able to survive on first party titles. In all honesty though I haven't seen anything truely impressive from them for a long time. Not since about 2010. Skyward Sword seems to be the only 'big' game they've come out with in recent years, which to me was a let down and felt cheaply made.
Sure there's probably more stuff on the way, but when? By then the damage will have been done, and I don't think they'll recover their market share.

All your points are valid arguments and I can agree to most of them, but like in my initial post I still think the situation as a WHOLE for new consoles/pc/gaming market is a difficult one. Yes they won't be able to recreate the success of the Wii, since all the casuals - which Wii was aimed towards - already have a Wii and I bet of all those millions of Wiis sold, many of them are still sitting at home with only Wii Sports as a party game and still sees some use here and there - the Wii sold lots but I don't think it did turn casuals into real gamers too much (software-attachement-rate-wise).

The casual market is saturated, maybe even OVERsaturated with so many platforms available you can play shovelware on. I just recently read an article though that was really interesting about Wii U vs XBOX vs PS (the new ones) where they stated - and I think its reasonable - having a HUGE platform with HUGE technical capabilities is ONE thing, but being able to deliver (higher development costs, new platform, game studios closing left and right, indie games being successful more and more that don't need even half of that power) and justify the costs involved, the risks involved to make a hardware-pushing-triple-a title might be a real gamble in the future.

I see it like that:

Developer/Publisher looks at PS4 / NextBox and thinks:
We need X budget, time, staff to create something people will feel as "triple a" and justifies their purchase of the Nextbox PS4 or we could develop somehting thats not too far away from what we have done the past 5 years already on PS3 and XBOX 360, bring it to Wii U and people will be perfectly happy with it. Alas the Wii U also has a larger install base because it had a headstart of a year, PLUS it AT LEAST has the core nintendo install base and AT LEAST brilliant first party support - all things not so rosy on PS4 and NextBox.

What I am saying is that "RISK/COST/PROFIT"-equation always played a BIG role in game development, at least since the 2000's, and it will only get worse from now on and that THIS might even play into the hands of Nintendo in a way. Even though PS4 and NextBox will by FAR out power the Wii U, they will still have to play catch up with software, and they will HAVE to deliver something thats worth a 400-600 euro console and 70 euro pricetag per game. If those platforms are online-only and no-used-games as well then they really have to PROVE A LOT to get mainstream appeal, which Wii U can do way easier. Sure it's not all that black/white like I am painting it now, but I still see the VITA vs 3DS situation (I still think though that no one needs 3ds OR a second screen) and honestly if the 3ds was more like the vita (with 3ds games of course) I'd prefer it to the current situation, but if they games rock and people dig it, so what, poor Vita is doomed.

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36. Posted:

JimLad wrote:

Look at it from a new customers point of view:

This console costs £300. You can get a couple of small budget Nintendo games (yes, they are small budget when compared to a real killer app like Mario Galaxy) some third party games, the best of which you can get on other consoles probably cheaper. It has less media functions, less online functions, and has pretty much the same graphical power as the 'last-gen' consoles.
Then there's the controller, which is supposed to be the main hook. Only it doesn't seem to add anything revolutionary enough to make up for the other shortcomings. Sure you get some cool gimmicks and multiplayer functions out of it, but for the most part it's just maps and inventory. Personally I'd rather have a normal sized controller and just press start for those things.
The Wii Remote on the other hand needed no explaining, people just took one look at Wii Sports and wanted it. THAT was a must-have gadget, this is not.

But their main problem right now is games. Nintendo have always been able to survive on first party titles. In all honesty though I haven't seen anything truely impressive from them for a long time. Not since about 2010. Skyward Sword seems to be the only 'big' game they've come out with in recent years, which to me was a let down and felt cheaply made.
Sure there's probably more stuff on the way, but when? By then the damage will have been done, and I don't think they'll recover their market share.

You sir are mostly correct I think. But, you have now incurred a 1000 comments to come telling you how wrong you are as opposed to 2-3 saying they agree with you.

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Romeo

37. Posted:

there is absolutely nothing to worry about.. it's nintendo we're talking about, their first party titles will make the wii u big

zelda wii u, new 3d mario, super smas bros., mario kart, windwaker hd, etc.

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Mahe

38. Posted:

The Wii U needs more motion-controlled games. Otherwise it will be a disappointment.

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The Wii U needs more motion-controlled games. Otherwise it will be a disappointment.

Even if im no fan at all of motion controls and don't think this alone will be a deciding factor in the success of the Wii U I still do feel that every game should have the OPTION to be played with nunchuk and remote, because

a) it gives easier access for "casual gamers" not fond of holding a controller
b) it invalidates the "we innovate how to control games" campaign of the original Wii if they now take a step back
c) gives a good use for all those Wii remotes out there

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It's kinda funny actually. Many big companies like EA and Activision don't care about it, whereas others like Ubisoft (don't even bring it up) are pledging support for it. Same thing for indie developers.

Would be interesting to see how the perspective changes once the new Playstation and Xbox get announced.

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