I'm sure the PS4 and Xone's lackluster year helped. Almost every game on those systems were either ports of last gen (TLoU, GTAV), lackluster, (Watch_Dogs, Assasin's Creed)or downright bad (Driveclub). When you compare that to most of the Nintendo games released this year, which have been consistently getting good reviews, then of course people are going to be paying more attention to the system.
The real question is will it last. Once the other current gen systems start getting better games and better support and the Wii U continues to suffer from droughts and poor third party support will people still look at the system so positively.
To be honest, I think people are overplaying the concern over the lack of worthwhile exclusives for the XB1 and PS4......I'm a PS4 owner, but I think one could make the argument that Microsoft has the best fall lineup with Nintendo (Forza Horizon 2, Sunset Overdrive, Master Chief Collection).
I think both Sony and Microsoft will have strong 2015 lineups, you have to remember that 2014 was a year of transition at large from consoles which went strong for 7-8 years.
Not really. People were stressing Wii U over 7th gen ports and lack of games. Now Xbox One and PS4 are doing the same, so they too deserve the same criticism.
Exclusives is more a matter of opinion, which should be obvious. I think Xbox One's exclusives are better. Games like Dead Rising 3, Ryse, Titanfall, etc. still aren't on PS4, and those are voids that Sony specifically tried to fill with indie games. I've read that Drive Club is a mess, so no constest with Forza, even though it's one of the few exclusives worth mentioning.
The Wii U was always a console worth owning to core Nintendo fans. A lot of the "more core gaming audience" has been there since day one. Nintendo gamers knew there was going to be Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Pikmin, etc. THOSE gamers ARE the "more core gaming audience". Why do you think Wii U is making money while PS4 is not, and selling alot more consoles? The "more core gaming audience" on Wii U were buying games for an entire year before Xbox One and PS4.
I'm sure the PS4 and Xone's lackluster year helped. Almost every game on those systems were either ports of last gen (TLoU, GTAV), lackluster, (Watch_Dogs, Assasin's Creed)or downright bad (Driveclub). When you compare that to most of the Nintendo games released this year, which have been consistently getting good reviews, then of course people are going to be paying more attention to the system.
The real question is will it last. Once the other current gen systems start getting better games and better support and the Wii U continues to suffer from droughts and poor third party support will people still look at the system so positively.
It all depends on how much more money Nintendo invests into Wii U. It is the only 8th generation console that is actually making money, so that gives more money to Nintendo to invest more into the console.
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It depends on which "core" gamers you're talking about. PC gamers have generally always held to that the Wii U is the only console actually worth owning, because the other two are just low-spec PCs with a locked OS.
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Yeah, I think the approach to the Wii U in general is changing amongst the gaming masses. Was always going to happen but the strength of how far it has swung back is what's surprising. I assume the scale of it is half because of the average-ness of big AAA stuff this year (Assassin's Creed) but also the quality of the games people were giving the Wii U credit for (Smash/Kart). So that's one thing.
Also yes, PC gamers in general have always seen the Wii U as the only console worth being interested in. However as a PC gamer I can also understand the appeal of a PS4/XBOne if you're not a PC gamer. For a start not everyone buys new games at launch, sometimes you grab them a year or so later. Right now I'm enjoying Tomb Raider and you know what? PS4/XBOne gamers could also grab that game. Their library is smaller but there's still quite a bit of content there. Though I have a PC and I wouldn't grab one of those PC-lite consoles I can understand the appeal...... but even then, I'd still want a Wii U
If I was to pick one and only one platform? I reckon I'd still lean slightly towards the Wii U. Although I highly doubt that most other gamers would.
It all depends on how much more money Nintendo invests into Wii U. It is the only 8th generation console that is actually making money, so that gives more money to Nintendo to invest more into the console.
Nintendo has money in the bank to make short-term investments for software development. However, I think they might invest in Wii U titles for at least these reasons:
The lack of 3rd party support will force them to, to make it an attractive platform to players
For future consoles, they must show customers that a Nintendo console is a worthwhile console
The lack of 3rd party support made sure that the current console owners generally "want" the console for the 1st/2nd party content (=making money on the console titles become easier). I guess the gamers really depending on 3rd party titles already have sold theirs already.
The average Wii U user has a high attachment rate
Their intention during the last shareholder's meeting to have stronger connection with other software studios to produce content
For 2015, 13 (would be 14 titles for Europe, counting Captain Toad) scheduled Nintendo-produced or co-produced titles known currently, seems to indicate an increased release rate now.
According to Miyamoto, the process of technically learning the tools for the system and HD gaming is complete (=the cost of making a game becomes lower than at the beginning).
They actually makes money off the console now (as you said)
I'm sure the PS4 and Xone's lackluster year helped. Almost every game on those systems were either ports of last gen (TLoU, GTAV), lackluster, (Watch_Dogs, Assasin's Creed)or downright bad (Driveclub). When you compare that to most of the Nintendo games released this year, which have been consistently getting good reviews, then of course people are going to be paying more attention to the system.
The real question is will it last. Once the other current gen systems start getting better games and better support and the Wii U continues to suffer from droughts and poor third party support will people still look at the system so positively.
It all depends on how much more money Nintendo invests into Wii U. It is the only 8th generation console that is actually making money, so that gives more money to Nintendo to invest more into the console.
The PS4 has been making a profit for Sony since launch, during Oct of 2013, Sony stated that they make 18 US dollars on ever PS4 manufactured and sold. So its not sold for a loss, and never has been (outside of third party deals). Sony still makes mistakes, but I think they realized that the initial manufacturing cost of the PS3 was abysmal, hence they set the record straight with the PS4.
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They could invest in any area of the console. I wouldn't try to say what, specifically. It could be anything from more services, console features being developed into the OS, software, servers, or whatever.
@sub12
Sony as a whole is still losing money, though, while Nintendo is not. That means Sony is failing as a business, while Nintendo is not, and Nintendo did it with alot less resources and money. Even if Nintendo has just currently started making money again, they haven't been losing money, year over year, since like 2006 or so. That sort of thing takes a real toll on a business. I think Sony actually has less money than Nintendo, now, and they are present in the TV, audio, and video game markets. They really can't afford anything they have been doing. That's why they got rid of PC. Sony losing money has more to do with being available in a ton of markets that they aren't excelling at. They are competing against the likes of LG, Samsung, Toshiba, Pioneer, Marantz, Polk, Bose, Philips, Apple, Microsoft, Nintendo, etc, and losing, which comes as no surprise.
This is getting slightly off topic, now, but ya, the "more core gaming audience" has been buying games on Wii U for a a couple years now, so that is why Nintendo is actually making money right now.
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Honestly, I don't see the 12-21 (or whatever that age range is) market share changing their minds about the Wii U anytime soon. PS4 and Xbox One are the only consoles out there as far as those people are concerned.
I've always said it, and I'll say it again: If Zelda U launches and changes the face of gaming as much as Ocarina of Time did, then maybe we can revisit this discussion. But until then, even though the Wii U is doing MUCH better in general, that generation of gamers won't give it a second look.
I know this comment is going to invite lots of criticism and "But I'm 18 and I LOVE the Wii U!" type things, but just face it: Anyone under the age of 20 just didn't grow up on Nintendo like people my age did, and probably were only introduced to it around the Gamecube/Wii era (and we know how much the "core" loved the Wii). This age group has almost had an anti-Nintendo sentiment ingrained into them from day 1, which is crazy for someone like me to even think of, but kind of weirdly true. It's all about the "mature" stuff that Nintendo just doesn't have <sarcasm> Mario Kart 8 and Smash aren't going to suddenly change that.
I've also noticed a trend going with the Wii U. If a Wii U game or accessory sells below expectations, theories are practically made to explain why. But when it sells to the point of shortage, people say it's because Nintendo underestimated the product. Wut?
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I've also noticed a trend going with the Wii U. If a Wii U game or accessory sells below expectations, theories are practically made to explain why. But when it sells to the point of shortage, people say it's because Nintendo underestimated the product. Wut?
Wut What? That's pretty much like it is with every product. If something, particularly something well reviewed, sells well under expectations people make theories about why. If something sells well above expectations to the point where it's hard to get a hold of it? Then obviously the person who was behind working out the numbers underestimated it. Same is true of the XBOne, PS4 as well as every other product that has ever been put to market. Smash Bros and the GC adapter? They underestimated the product. Nintendo Land? They misread the market.
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I've also noticed a trend going with the Wii U. If a Wii U game or accessory sells below expectations, theories are practically made to explain why. But when it sells to the point of shortage, people say it's because Nintendo underestimated the product. Wut?
Wut What? That's pretty much like it is with every product. If something, particularly something well reviewed, sells well under expectations people make theories about why. If something sells well above expectations to the point where it's hard to get a hold of it? Then obviously the person who was behind working out the numbers underestimated it. Same is true of the XBOne, PS4 as well as every other product that has ever been put to market. Smash Bros and the GC adapter? They underestimated the product. Nintendo Land? They misread the market.
Then what about the 3rd party blockbusters like FIFA and GTA. Assume a case when they sell out. "Oooh! It's so successful!"
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I'm a Wii U only gamer currently. I have no current interest in the PS4. It has no games on it that I want, as I'm not interested in the AC series, and I don't care for FPSs. This may change, but I would love to just be able to own the Wii U and nothing else. I can see this being a reality, but I still think Nintendo needs to put in a little more work to recover some of that lost 3rd party support. Nintendo needs and we need it.
As an aside, I don't mention the XBO, because as far as I'm concerned, after going through 3 Xbox 360s, there are only two consoles out there; I will never buy an XBOX product again.
Up until a littel while ago, I have been a Wii U only gamer since launch.
Since e3 2014 there had definietly been growth in support on the various website via articles and posts. And we all know its selling more. I would agree that the tide of the first years anti Wii U sentiment is turning. Just today IGN has released another piece saying why you need to buy one, Kotaku said a few months ago it was now time to have one, gamespot did something similar recently, and it all boils down to more and more good and great exclusives out now or on the way.
Meanwhile, due to various circumstances, I will shortly be a Wii U, 3DS and possibly PS4 gamer, as I miss the multiplats. But the Wii U still has a place for me.
I'm sure the PS4 and Xone's lackluster year helped. Almost every game on those systems were either ports of last gen (TLoU, GTAV), lackluster, (Watch_Dogs, Assasin's Creed)or downright bad (Driveclub). When you compare that to most of the Nintendo games released this year, which have been consistently getting good reviews, then of course people are going to be paying more attention to the system.
The real question is will it last. Once the other current gen systems start getting better games and better support and the Wii U continues to suffer from droughts and poor third party support will people still look at the system so positively.
It all depends on how much more money Nintendo invests into Wii U. It is the only 8th generation console that is actually making money, so that gives more money to Nintendo to invest more into the console.
The PS4 has been making a profit for Sony since launch, during Oct of 2013, Sony stated that they make 18 US dollars on ever PS4 manufactured and sold. So its not sold for a loss, and never has been (outside of third party deals). Sony still makes mistakes, but I think they realized that the initial manufacturing cost of the PS3 was abysmal, hence they set the record straight with the PS4.
Didn't Sony include the price of a year's worth of PS+ to count towards the PS4 making a profit (and possibly one game), and not just off the console itself?
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One of my supervisors at work asked me if I've ever met anyone besides myself that owns a WiiU. When I told him there were two more people where we work that I know of he said "So they've sold 3 WiiUs". WiiU is the Rodney Dangerfield of the gaming world...no respect.
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It's at that point you ask "so what games are you playing over the holidays then? Assassin's Creed? I hear that's pretty good cough"
But it is pretty good.
It's not bad but... it's not that good either.
Put it this way, these are some new games from this year that reviewed better than the newest Assassin's Creed:
Smash Bros for Wii U (and it's actually the best reviewed new game this year)
Bayonetta 2
Dark Souls 2
Shovel Knight
Dragon Age: Inquisition
Child of Light
Mario Kart 8
Shadow of Mordor
Halo: MC Collection
Titanfall
Skylanders (you know you have problems when....)
Braverly Default
Smash Bros for 3DS
Pokemon OR/AS
Transistor
Call of Duty: Advance Warfare (you know you have SERIOUS problems when....)
1001 Spikes
Sunset Overdrive
Professor Layton and the Azran Legacy
Kirby: Triple Deluxe
Far Cry 4
Pushmo World
Alien Isolation
Professor Layton VS Phoenix Wright
Watch Dogs
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Just Dance 2015
ahh, there it is. Assassin's Creed Unity
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