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41. Posted:

@Mickeymac Neither of the other of the Big 3 see Nintendo as a threat because they have seemingly infinite resources and wealth. Sony is basically the head of the entertainment industry and Microsoft is the head of the software industry. They can both afford so much loss that they can sell hardware at a loss. Microsoft like many other various hardware and appliance companies now build their products to break over time. @Nukerprime64 It's mostly not desparation, just a very unfair business strategy that can be used if you have a company with much more income; but that's life.

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Nukerprime64 wrote:

Mickeymac wrote:

Nukerprime64 wrote:

Mickeymac wrote:

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There is a chance that Sony might release a beast of a console that would be sold at a loss alongside the PSVita, which could result in a major backfire and seriously damage Sony's ability to compete with the Big N.
The next Xbox will probably be the biggest threat to the Wii U, seeing as Microsoft has a seemingly endlessly supply of cash.

Then again PC's might flatten all of them but that's unlikely.

I think Sony's learned their lesson this time around. They seem more concerned about the portable market, which is big in Japan right now. I think at this point they'll just wait until the tech is affordable, or at least so they won't be losing much.

All we can really count on from Microsoft is that the console will be rushed and break frequently, because Microsoft never learns their lesson.

As for PCs, unless the majority of PC games work on low spec PCs from now on, I highly doubt PC gaming will ever have much of an effect on the console market. Gaming PCs just cost way too much, and building your own PC requires you to be tech savy. Not to mention even good PCs don't last long enough. I have a 3 year old computer that was a Gaming computer when I bought it that could run Cryisis on the minimum specs. Now I can't even run some indie games, let alone full retail games, and those I can run chug at even the lowest settings. Most people just can't keep up with it.

Of course, I think the WiiU's competition for a long while will be the PS3 and Xbox 360. Both Parties have expressed great interest in keeping the lifespans of their consoles long, so I doubt we'll see successors to those console for another 2-4 years.

Considering the maturity (or lack of) of their top staff, Sony plans might still backfire if the Vita's games are anything like the PSP's (mostly crap with one or two AAA titles)and as for the PS3 well, it could sit be a problem, assuming that they manage to keep the console's online running AND people don't jump on the Wii U bandwagon and buy/ play superior games with better graphics (cause we all know what sony fans love, don't we).

If it's one thing microsoft's proven, it's that their not a hardware company (they can barely write software properly) the next Xbox is sure to breakdown one way or another.

3 years? Technology moves fast y'know, if your serious about PC gaming you will to learn to keep up; about your computer, ever thought about buying new components? They're not that hard to install, really!

Sony and Microsoft will probably rush their next consoles, which will mean all of next gen will be pretty much even in terms of processing power.

1) You give Sony too little credit. That is a mistake.
2) At least we agree on something
3) My point aboint PC gaming was that it is financially prohibitive, and that will always prevent it from dominating. I come from a middle class family, yet cannot afford to buy new PC components whenever I want. That money goes towards other things, including, but not limited to the games that I want to play.
4) What reason do they have to rush out a new console? Neither side even sees the WiiU as a threat. It'll be years before we see a new console revealed.

1. I'm giving them very little credit because selling your products at a loss just to compete with your rivals is a sign that your getting desperate in my eyes. If the Vita fails to sell at the amount sony hopes, they will be will be left with debts that they will need to pay off by taking money from other areas and thousands of useless stock.
2. Well it's a start I suppose.
3. I'm not exactly rich either you know, the only reason I try to keep my computer relatively up-to-date is because: a. It helps with my work and b. it has games I want to play. It's not for everyone nor should it be.
4.Both company's will want to get their next consoles out before the Wii U's hold on next-gen's market becomes too strong, the 360 and PS3 can't last two generations, especially with both companies focus on raw power.

Can we stop arguing now, please?

1) It's not an act of desperation, it's a basic strategy that lots of businesses around the world employ. It's called Loss Leading, and it actually makes Sony and Microsoft money in the long run through game sales and 3rd Party licensing.
3) If you knew that, then what was the point in making the statement, "...Then again PC's might flatten all of them but that's unlikely.", in the first place? Obviously you thought they had a chance, even if it was slight.
4) Now you give the WiiU too much credit.:P What makes you think the WiiU would dominate the market when Sony and Microsoft already have a strong hold of it themselves?
5) We'll stop arguing when we come to an understanding. That's how arguments work.

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@Nukerprime64, remember that Sony's and Microsoft main busines are not console/gaming related, both of them can live perfectly with minimal profits coming from the launch of new devices. Nintendo has the very weakest position there as its business depends fully on consoles and games and if they fail with the hardware they will not be able to sell their software as it is 100% dependant on that hardware. Remember also that Nintendo already lost the fight against XBoX/PS3, they were pretty aware that there were no way to compete with them, hence they decided to aim to a different type of consumers: the non gamers. From a business point of view it was a success but in the overal gaming comunity the prestidge of Nintendo was going down in flames. Now, for the traditional gaming comunity (not counting the fundamentalists) Nintendo means little or nothing, so the question is: are these thousands and thousands of non-gamers willing to change their Wii by a WiiU? I doubt it pretty much, I'm also pretty sure many Wii users will end moving to XBoX/PS3/4 and I'm also pretty sure not many PS3/4/XBoX users will want to try their luck with any Wii.

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Bankai

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(ie, no more a matter of ingenious design to fit the right features and form factor to a product while keeping it under cost, but a battle of mega-corporations trying to outdo each other in front-loading costs).

Then you need to sign up for business 101.

unfair business strategy

No. It is not unfair. It is legitimate. If it was unfair the regulators would step in, but they don't for loss leading.

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45. Posted:

Mickeymac wrote:

Nukerprime64 wrote:

Mickeymac wrote:

Nukerprime64 wrote:

Mickeymac wrote:

Nukerprime64 wrote:

There is a chance that Sony might release a beast of a console that would be sold at a loss alongside the PSVita, which could result in a major backfire and seriously damage Sony's ability to compete with the Big N.
The next Xbox will probably be the biggest threat to the Wii U, seeing as Microsoft has a seemingly endlessly supply of cash.

Then again PC's might flatten all of them but that's unlikely.

I think Sony's learned their lesson this time around. They seem more concerned about the portable market, which is big in Japan right now. I think at this point they'll just wait until the tech is affordable, or at least so they won't be losing much.

All we can really count on from Microsoft is that the console will be rushed and break frequently, because Microsoft never learns their lesson.

As for PCs, unless the majority of PC games work on low spec PCs from now on, I highly doubt PC gaming will ever have much of an effect on the console market. Gaming PCs just cost way too much, and building your own PC requires you to be tech savy. Not to mention even good PCs don't last long enough. I have a 3 year old computer that was a Gaming computer when I bought it that could run Cryisis on the minimum specs. Now I can't even run some indie games, let alone full retail games, and those I can run chug at even the lowest settings. Most people just can't keep up with it.

Of course, I think the WiiU's competition for a long while will be the PS3 and Xbox 360. Both Parties have expressed great interest in keeping the lifespans of their consoles long, so I doubt we'll see successors to those console for another 2-4 years.

Considering the maturity (or lack of) of their top staff, Sony plans might still backfire if the Vita's games are anything like the PSP's (mostly crap with one or two AAA titles)and as for the PS3 well, it could sit be a problem, assuming that they manage to keep the console's online running AND people don't jump on the Wii U bandwagon and buy/ play superior games with better graphics (cause we all know what sony fans love, don't we).

If it's one thing microsoft's proven, it's that their not a hardware company (they can barely write software properly) the next Xbox is sure to breakdown one way or another.

3 years? Technology moves fast y'know, if your serious about PC gaming you will to learn to keep up; about your computer, ever thought about buying new components? They're not that hard to install, really!

Sony and Microsoft will probably rush their next consoles, which will mean all of next gen will be pretty much even in terms of processing power.

1) You give Sony too little credit. That is a mistake.
2) At least we agree on something
3) My point aboint PC gaming was that it is financially prohibitive, and that will always prevent it from dominating. I come from a middle class family, yet cannot afford to buy new PC components whenever I want. That money goes towards other things, including, but not limited to the games that I want to play.
4) What reason do they have to rush out a new console? Neither side even sees the WiiU as a threat. It'll be years before we see a new console revealed.

1. I'm giving them very little credit because selling your products at a loss just to compete with your rivals is a sign that your getting desperate in my eyes. If the Vita fails to sell at the amount sony hopes, they will be will be left with debts that they will need to pay off by taking money from other areas and thousands of useless stock.
2. Well it's a start I suppose.
3. I'm not exactly rich either you know, the only reason I try to keep my computer relatively up-to-date is because: a. It helps with my work and b. it has games I want to play. It's not for everyone nor should it be.
4.Both company's will want to get their next consoles out before the Wii U's hold on next-gen's market becomes too strong, the 360 and PS3 can't last two generations, especially with both companies focus on raw power.

Can we stop arguing now, please?

1) It's not an act of desperation, it's a basic strategy that lots of businesses around the world employ. It's called Loss Leading, and it actually makes Sony and Microsoft money in the long run through game sales and 3rd Party licensing.
3) If you knew that, then what was the point in making the statement, "...Then again PC's might flatten all of them but that's unlikely.", in the first place? Obviously you thought they had a chance, even if it was slight.
4) Now you give the WiiU too much credit.:P What makes you think the WiiU would dominate the market when Sony and Microsoft already have a strong hold of it themselves?
5) We'll stop arguing when we come to an understanding. That's how arguments work.

1. What I said was if you do it just to compete with someone else's products it's a sign that your getting desperate. There's nothing wrong with loss leading itself.
3. Yes, they do have a chance, an UNLIKELY chance, if you had read my first post properly, you would've know that I have serious doubts as well. Nothing is Impossible.
4. IF the Wii U starts to gain a hold of generation 8's market Microsoft and Sony will release their next consoles to compete properly. We don't know what goes on inside the two companies; they, as they say, might not see it as a threat or they could be really worried and simply aren't saying because admitting someone else's product is better than theirs is a bad move in general.
5. Actually I was hopping we would both concede and stop arguing.

Why ARE we talking about this anyway, the Wii U isn't even out yet.

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46. Posted:

1) loss leading only exists to compete with other products. What other point is there?

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C-195

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So consumers will continually buy the products at the cheap price or they will feel inclined to buy other products at the same time.
Supermarkets regularly do this.

It might also be the exact same product, only sold at a loss so people buy it from that particular shop.

They also do It so consumers have to constantly buy products to complement the original and/or keep it running.
e.g. ink for printers or blades for razors with disposable heads.

There is many points to loss leading, unlike this thread, which has none.
please use the 'edit' link to edit your last comment to a thread as opposed to double or triple-posting — TBD

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48. Posted:

And all those examples above are so the brand can compete against the other brands out there.

Supermarkets engage in loss leading to draw customers away from other supermarkets.
Printer vendors engage in loss leading to get their printers, not their rivals, in homes.

All business is motivated by competition. Loss leading is one strategy for going about being competitive.

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WaltzElf wrote:

And all those examples above are so the brand can compete against the other brands out there.

Supermarkets engage in loss leading to draw customers away from other supermarkets.
Printer vendors engage in loss leading to get their printers, not their rivals, in homes.

All business is motivated by competition. Loss leading is one strategy for going about being competitive.

No, all business is motivated by MONEY. The only reason they do compete is because they all want the money that the consumer has.

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50. Posted:

All businessmen want money way more than they want to compete with others.

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GreatManaTree

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I think,personally,that every brand has its own fanclub....consumers who love their brand.For me,the Wii was a dissapointment(except the Mario Galaxy games and DKCreturns).I bought 2 XBox360,2 PS3's and a Wii this generation...I recently have a 3DS,and i love it!And i am looking forward to the WiiU...the machine i was waiting for,for a loooong time.It has the good graphics of the 2 other brands,and the brilliant games of Nintendo!:)

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CanisWolfred

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Nukerprime64 wrote:

WaltzElf wrote:

And all those examples above are so the brand can compete against the other brands out there.

Supermarkets engage in loss leading to draw customers away from other supermarkets.
Printer vendors engage in loss leading to get their printers, not their rivals, in homes.

All business is motivated by competition. Loss leading is one strategy for going about being competitive.

No, all business is motivated by MONEY. The only reason they do compete is because they all want the money that the consumer has.

Therefore they are motivated by competition. And it's not an act of desperation, it's just a tactic that companies around the world use all the time. It seems to be more of a Go-to strategy for a big company like Sony, who is still trying to get hold of more of the portable market from Nintendo, who has had a firm grip on the portable market for a long time now.

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