Nukerprime64 wrote:

Mickeymac wrote:

Nukerprime64 wrote:

Mickeymac wrote:

Nukerprime64 wrote:

There is a chance that Sony might release a beast of a console that would be sold at a loss alongside the PSVita, which could result in a major backfire and seriously damage Sony's ability to compete with the Big N.
The next Xbox will probably be the biggest threat to the Wii U, seeing as Microsoft has a seemingly endlessly supply of cash.

Then again PC's might flatten all of them but that's unlikely.

I think Sony's learned their lesson this time around. They seem more concerned about the portable market, which is big in Japan right now. I think at this point they'll just wait until the tech is affordable, or at least so they won't be losing much.

All we can really count on from Microsoft is that the console will be rushed and break frequently, because Microsoft never learns their lesson.

As for PCs, unless the majority of PC games work on low spec PCs from now on, I highly doubt PC gaming will ever have much of an effect on the console market. Gaming PCs just cost way too much, and building your own PC requires you to be tech savy. Not to mention even good PCs don't last long enough. I have a 3 year old computer that was a Gaming computer when I bought it that could run Cryisis on the minimum specs. Now I can't even run some indie games, let alone full retail games, and those I can run chug at even the lowest settings. Most people just can't keep up with it.

Of course, I think the WiiU's competition for a long while will be the PS3 and Xbox 360. Both Parties have expressed great interest in keeping the lifespans of their consoles long, so I doubt we'll see successors to those console for another 2-4 years.

Considering the maturity (or lack of) of their top staff, Sony plans might still backfire if the Vita's games are anything like the PSP's (mostly crap with one or two AAA titles)and as for the PS3 well, it could sit be a problem, assuming that they manage to keep the console's online running AND people don't jump on the Wii U bandwagon and buy/ play superior games with better graphics (cause we all know what sony fans love, don't we).

If it's one thing microsoft's proven, it's that their not a hardware company (they can barely write software properly) the next Xbox is sure to breakdown one way or another.

3 years? Technology moves fast y'know, if your serious about PC gaming you will to learn to keep up; about your computer, ever thought about buying new components? They're not that hard to install, really!

Sony and Microsoft will probably rush their next consoles, which will mean all of next gen will be pretty much even in terms of processing power.

1) You give Sony too little credit. That is a mistake.
2) At least we agree on something
3) My point aboint PC gaming was that it is financially prohibitive, and that will always prevent it from dominating. I come from a middle class family, yet cannot afford to buy new PC components whenever I want. That money goes towards other things, including, but not limited to the games that I want to play.
4) What reason do they have to rush out a new console? Neither side even sees the WiiU as a threat. It'll be years before we see a new console revealed.

1. I'm giving them very little credit because selling your products at a loss just to compete with your rivals is a sign that your getting desperate in my eyes. If the Vita fails to sell at the amount sony hopes, they will be will be left with debts that they will need to pay off by taking money from other areas and thousands of useless stock.
2. Well it's a start I suppose.
3. I'm not exactly rich either you know, the only reason I try to keep my computer relatively up-to-date is because: a. It helps with my work and b. it has games I want to play. It's not for everyone nor should it be.
4.Both company's will want to get their next consoles out before the Wii U's hold on next-gen's market becomes too strong, the 360 and PS3 can't last two generations, especially with both companies focus on raw power.

Can we stop arguing now, please?

Mickeymac wrote:

Nukerprime64 wrote:

Mickeymac wrote:

Nukerprime64 wrote:

Mickeymac wrote:

Nukerprime64 wrote:

There is a chance that Sony might release a beast of a console that would be sold at a loss alongside the PSVita, which could result in a major backfire and seriously damage Sony's ability to compete with the Big N.
The next Xbox will probably be the biggest threat to the Wii U, seeing as Microsoft has a seemingly endlessly supply of cash.

Then again PC's might flatten all of them but that's unlikely.

I think Sony's learned their lesson this time around. They seem more concerned about the portable market, which is big in Japan right now. I think at this point they'll just wait until the tech is affordable, or at least so they won't be losing much.

All we can really count on from Microsoft is that the console will be rushed and break frequently, because Microsoft never learns their lesson.

As for PCs, unless the majority of PC games work on low spec PCs from now on, I highly doubt PC gaming will ever have much of an effect on the console market. Gaming PCs just cost way too much, and building your own PC requires you to be tech savy. Not to mention even good PCs don't last long enough. I have a 3 year old computer that was a Gaming computer when I bought it that could run Cryisis on the minimum specs. Now I can't even run some indie games, let alone full retail games, and those I can run chug at even the lowest settings. Most people just can't keep up with it.

Of course, I think the WiiU's competition for a long while will be the PS3 and Xbox 360. Both Parties have expressed great interest in keeping the lifespans of their consoles long, so I doubt we'll see successors to those console for another 2-4 years.

Considering the maturity (or lack of) of their top staff, Sony plans might still backfire if the Vita's games are anything like the PSP's (mostly crap with one or two AAA titles)and as for the PS3 well, it could sit be a problem, assuming that they manage to keep the console's online running AND people don't jump on the Wii U bandwagon and buy/ play superior games with better graphics (cause we all know what sony fans love, don't we).

If it's one thing microsoft's proven, it's that their not a hardware company (they can barely write software properly) the next Xbox is sure to breakdown one way or another.

3 years? Technology moves fast y'know, if your serious about PC gaming you will to learn to keep up; about your computer, ever thought about buying new components? They're not that hard to install, really!

Sony and Microsoft will probably rush their next consoles, which will mean all of next gen will be pretty much even in terms of processing power.

1) You give Sony too little credit. That is a mistake.
2) At least we agree on something
3) My point aboint PC gaming was that it is financially prohibitive, and that will always prevent it from dominating. I come from a middle class family, yet cannot afford to buy new PC components whenever I want. That money goes towards other things, including, but not limited to the games that I want to play.
4) What reason do they have to rush out a new console? Neither side even sees the WiiU as a threat. It'll be years before we see a new console revealed.

1. I'm giving them very little credit because selling your products at a loss just to compete with your rivals is a sign that your getting desperate in my eyes. If the Vita fails to sell at the amount sony hopes, they will be will be left with debts that they will need to pay off by taking money from other areas and thousands of useless stock.
2. Well it's a start I suppose.
3. I'm not exactly rich either you know, the only reason I try to keep my computer relatively up-to-date is because: a. It helps with my work and b. it has games I want to play. It's not for everyone nor should it be.
4.Both company's will want to get their next consoles out before the Wii U's hold on next-gen's market becomes too strong, the 360 and PS3 can't last two generations, especially with both companies focus on raw power.

Can we stop arguing now, please?

1) It's not an act of desperation, it's a basic strategy that lots of businesses around the world employ. It's called Loss Leading, and it actually makes Sony and Microsoft money in the long run through game sales and 3rd Party licensing.
3) If you knew that, then what was the point in making the statement, "...Then again PC's might flatten all of them but that's unlikely.", in the first place? Obviously you thought they had a chance, even if it was slight.
4) Now you give the WiiU too much credit. What makes you think the WiiU would dominate the market when Sony and Microsoft already have a strong hold of it themselves?
5) We'll stop arguing when we come to an understanding. That's how arguments work.

WaltzElf wrote:

And all those examples above are so the brand can compete against the other brands out there.

Supermarkets engage in loss leading to draw customers away from other supermarkets.
Printer vendors engage in loss leading to get their printers, not their rivals, in homes.

All business is motivated by competition. Loss leading is one strategy for going about being competitive.

Nukerprime64 wrote:

WaltzElf wrote:

And all those examples above are so the brand can compete against the other brands out there.

Supermarkets engage in loss leading to draw customers away from other supermarkets.
Printer vendors engage in loss leading to get their printers, not their rivals, in homes.

All business is motivated by competition. Loss leading is one strategy for going about being competitive.

No, all business is motivated by MONEY. The only reason they do compete is because they all want the money that the consumer has.