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Topic: The Wii U turns 2 tomorrow (US)

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LetsGoRetro

Just checked Wikipedia, and it says the Wii U came out November 18th of 2012, which sounds about right. I bought mine on day one, and have definitely had my ups and downs with it but I'm very excited for the 2015 and beyond lineup as Nintendo definitely seems to have hit it's stride. I'm okay with no third party support, as I've come to depend on my Nintendo consoles for my Nintendo games and my PS for everything else. I don't really have loyalty to one console over another, I just have loyalty to a console by itself when it releases games I love.

So, how does everyone feel the Wii U has done in it's first 2 years? I really hope 2015 and 2016 are very strong years because if Nintendo drops support for the Wii U as it works on it's next console (like it did for the Wii it's last 2 years as it prepared the Wii U), then 2016, and possibly 2017 could be the last year they are focusing on the lil black box. And since games take 1-3 years to complete on average, we've gotta start getting games out there!

As much as I've been satisfied wtth the Wii U, I think it's the worst Nintendo console of all time as it lacks, arguably, true "must have" games for many people. The only one for me is Mario Kart 8, and I go back and forth on it as I've been playing Kart for so many years that it's hard to stay excited about it this many years later.

Also, how long does everyone see Nintendo keeping the Wii U as it's primary console? They tend to have 5 year cycles unlike the other big boys, with I think 6 or 7 being the max they've ever done, and, like I said, they really dropped support those last 2 years, so it was still essentially a 5 year cycle.

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LzWinky

"I think it's the worst Nintendo console of all time as it lacks, arguably, true "must have" games for many people."

An odd wording of your opinion since you're trying to speak for the masses.

I plan to keep mine until the next console

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sub12

Hello, I'm pretty much in a agreement with you, I was a launch customer as well. My first year with the system was of disapointment, I wanted the Wii U to be my one primary console, with all the great third party and Nintendo titles in one place, as Reggie was touting before release. During the software drought of the first half of 2013, the system gathered a lot of dust and I found myself going back to the 360 quite a bit.

From the holiday season of 2013 to the present, I've grown to love the Wii U for all of its amazing Nintendo exclusives, but it has been shifted to my secondary console of choice after the PS4. It feels like fresh air everytime I boot up the Wii U, I know I'm in store in for a unique, fun, and charming experince. However, the general lack of AAA software continues to be a sore spot, and I generally spend only 30% of my gaming time on it.

Pros

  • Great, unique, charming Nintendo software
  • Graphics are still top notch despite hardware
  • Pro controller is an amazing piece of kit
  • Gamepad is a great TV Internet browser
  • GBA titles on the big screen

Cons

  • Lack of third party software, too much shovel ware, misses out on a lot of games
  • VC output has been more of a trickle
  • Can be a mess / space clogger with all of those controllers and wires, next time, just give me one controller option, not a confusing array

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MsJubilee

sub12 wrote:

Pros

  • Great, unique, charming Nintendo software
  • Graphics are still top notch despite hardware
  • Pro controller is an amazing piece of kit
  • Gamepad is a great TV Internet browser
  • GBA titles on the big screen

Cons

  • Lack of third party software, too much shovel ware
  • VC output has been more of a trickle
  • Can be a mess / space clogger with all of those controllers and wires, next time, just give me one controller option, not a confusing array

This is spot on.

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skywake

I'd go the other end of the spectrum and say that the Wii U in terms of the actual console and its content has been one of the best consoles Nintendo has ever made. During the Wii years there were a few bright sparks with games like Galaxy but there wasn't as much creativity overall. New IP was really limited to party games rather than games for gamers. Versions of Smash and Kart were solid but weren't revolutionary.

On the Wii U however we might not have something as stratospheric as Galaxy yet but everything else is pretty fantastic. Mario Kart 8 is IMO the biggest shakeup to Mario Kart since the N64 put terrain in the game and Smash, while not as revolutionary, is looking to be better than Brawl was. Splatoon and Captain Toad are two of the most interesting looking new IPs since Pikmin on the Gamecube. Even going to the more casual side of things I reckon that even if it wasn't a system seller Nintendo Land was more fun than Wii Sports. So assuming that we still get Metroid eventually and that the next Zelda is at the very least "average" for a Zelda game? The Wii U is already better than the Wii.

Who cares if it doesn't break sales records, sales don't make good games bad and bad games good. Just ask Ubisoft

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sub12

To the OP, I think the Wii U will last 5 years, and it will be replaced either slightly after or coincide with the new 3DS replacement. Nintendo no doubt looks at it as a sales disapointment, but I believe Nintendo's software support will be strong to the end.......they just can't coast on the sales like they did with the Wii following 2010, the user base is too small and gamer centric.

The Wii generation tends to believe it will last longer, but I argue the last gen lasted as long as it did because of the lack in consumer confidence following the 2008 economic crisis......and not because it's the new norm.

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CaviarMeths

In terms of 1st party output, the Wii U may be Nintendo's best. Every 1st party game so far has pretty much been the best in its series, something not even the Gamecube managed to do. And 2014 has been one of Nintendo's best years in terms of published content. Mario Kart 8, Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta 1 and 2, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Smash, and Captain Toad is a hell of a line-up for any console, let alone a single company. None of the major 3rd parties have had a year like that, ever.

So Anakin kneels before Monster Mash and pledges his loyalty to the graveyard smash.

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@skywake, I agree that we are seeing some of the best Nintendo titles since the GameCube years, I think Kyoto has there software mojo back.

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iKhan

The Wii U had the worst first two years of any Nintendo console, at least since the N64 (wasn't really around prior to that). That's not really a hard thing to prove:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_published_by_Ni...
Nintendo simply made/published more notable games in the Wii, GCN, and N64's first two years than they did for Wii U

That said, 2015 seems amazing. It kind of looks like the Wii U will have the opposite of the Wii's situation, where it came out swinging with creative ideas and major franchises really quickly (2007 in particular was ridiculously good for the Wii). The Wii U had trouble using it's technology for the first two years, and was slow to bring out heavy hitters.

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McGruber

Honestly, I bought on day 1 and I'm not really satisfied at all. There are some great games, but not enough that interest me personally. Honestly as a Nintendo fan from day 1, what I would love the most is a system that has everything the PS4 has, a Pro controller, plus Miiverse and all the Nintendo games we love. I don't need any more new ways to play. They need to stop trying to replicate the past, and just give gamers what they want. Families will still buy the damn thing as long as Mario and Co. are still rated E!

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ItsLuigiBrah

Theres no doubt the Wii U is going to go down as the worst Nintendo system ever made.

Like you said it's two years and where is that must own game? The closest thing they have is Mario Kart 8 but I wouldn't call it a must play game. The Super Mario and Donkey Kong games were good but just not up to standard on what Nintendo usually delivers with their titles.

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skywake

iKhan wrote:

The Wii U had the worst first two years of any Nintendo console, at least since the N64 (wasn't really around prior to that). That's not really a hard thing to prove:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_published_by_Ni...
Nintendo simply made/published more notable games in the Wii, GCN, and N64's first two years than they did for Wii U

N64: Super Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Goldeneye, Star Fox 64, Ocarina of Time
Gamecube: Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, Smash, Kart, Animal Crossing, Metroid Prime, Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker
Wii: Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Smash, Kart, Animal Crossing
Wii U: New SMB U, Pikmin 3, 3D World, Smash, Kart, Captain Toad, Wind Waker HD

I'm not sure that the argument is as strong as you think it is

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Bolt_Strike

skywake wrote:

iKhan wrote:

The Wii U had the worst first two years of any Nintendo console, at least since the N64 (wasn't really around prior to that). That's not really a hard thing to prove:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_published_by_Ni...
Nintendo simply made/published more notable games in the Wii, GCN, and N64's first two years than they did for Wii U

N64: Super Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Goldeneye, Star Fox 64, Ocarina of Time
Gamecube: Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, Smash, Kart, Animal Crossing, Metroid Prime, Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker
Wii: Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Smash, Kart, Animal Crossing
Wii U: New SMB U, Pikmin 3, 3D World, Smash, Kart, Captain Toad, Wind Waker HD

I'm not sure that the argument is as strong as you think it is

Sounds like he's right to me. I'm not sure I'd call NSMBU and Wind Waker HD "notable".

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SCRAPPER392

I think the Wii U has had alot of good games. Even if alot of games have been available on 7th gen, which is true for Xbox One and PS4, as well, it still makes more sense to me to buy those games on Wii U than 7th gen.

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Qwest

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skywake

Bolt_Strike wrote:

Sounds like he's right to me. I'm not sure I'd call NSMBU and Wind Waker HD "notable".

Well that's where I drew the line and both of those games did sell pretty well. Anyways, I also decided not to include Nintendo Land and DK: Tropical Freeze which are arguably better than the games similarly just under those games on those other platforms like Mario Strikers Charged, Star Fox Adventures or DIddy Kong Racing. I also didn't include the Wonderful 101 or Bayonetta 2 which were both published by Nintendo and on that wiki list.

Still, I didn't own an N64 or Gamecube so I can't compare it to those platforms fairly. What I do know is that by the end of the second year in the Wii's life I had Wii Sports, Wii Play, Twilight Princess, Mario Strikers Charged, Paper Mario, Metroid Prime 3, Galaxy, Kart and Smash. On the Wii U I have (or will have) Nintendo Land, New SMB U, Pikmin 3, 3D World, Wind Waker HD, DK:TF, The Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, Kart and Smash. I know which one has a deeper library and I'm not going to let people pretend otherwise.

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iKhan

skywake wrote:

iKhan wrote:

The Wii U had the worst first two years of any Nintendo console, at least since the N64 (wasn't really around prior to that). That's not really a hard thing to prove:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_published_by_Ni...
Nintendo simply made/published more notable games in the Wii, GCN, and N64's first two years than they did for Wii U

N64: Super Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Goldeneye, Star Fox 64, Ocarina of Time
Gamecube: Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, Smash, Kart, Animal Crossing, Metroid Prime, Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker
Wii: Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Smash, Kart, Animal Crossing
Wii U: New SMB U, Pikmin 3, 3D World, Smash, Kart, Captain Toad, Wind Waker HD

I'm not sure that the argument is as strong as you think it is

Captain Toad isn't really a super notable release, it's a small spinoff. WW HD is just a remake. Though I would count Wii Party U, Bayo 2, DKCTF, and maybe Wonderful 101.

Wii also had Big Brain Academy (sold millions), Fire Emblem, Mario Party, Super Sluggers, Strikers, WarioWare, and Super Paper Mario. And that's not even counting the Wii series titles.Mario and Sonic is also a maybe, as it was the first in the series with a popular crossover idea.

GC also had F-zero, Mario Golf, Kirby Air Ride, 2 Mario Party games, Star Fox, and Wario World. You might count 1080, Wave race, and NBA Courtside, though that's debatable.

N64 had Yoshi Story, Banjo-Kazooie, Diddy Kong Racing, Blast Corps, F-Zero, KI Gold, and Mario Party. Again throwing Wave Race, 1080, and Courtside as maybes, along with Ken Griffey Baseball.

Ignoring maybes, that's
12- N64
15 -GCN
13- Wii
9- Wii U (now including Hyrule Warriors)

If you start counting maybes, it's not even close.

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skywake

And the Wii U also has Lego City, Game & Wario, Wii Party U, Mario & Sonic, Wii Sports Club.... but I was talking about interesting games. Also yes, Wind Waker HD does count because I would say the Ocarina of Time remake on the 3DS counts. It's a quality remake which moved units. Things like Brain Academy or WarioWare? I mean they're numbers on the shelf but you're never going to revisit them.

Also if Captain Toad doesn't count because it's a "spinoff" then not even Luigi's Mansion should count. Which is a load of crap because both are decent games in their own right. As I said earlier, when was the last time Nintendo produced something as interesting as Splatoon? I reckon you'd have to go back to Pikmin to find something that could compete.

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SCRAPPER392

Well, I'm including 3rd party. Even if said games were on Xbox 360 and PS3, they were still basically just as good, if not better on Wii U.

We got ZombiU, NSMB.U, Mighty Switch Force HD Edition, Nano Assault Neo, Sonic Racing, Tekken, CoD, and those are only launch games, Then, we got Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, Splintercell, CoD Ghosts, Injustice, Resident Evil Revelations, Lego City, Pikmin 3, Wii Fit U, Super Mario 3D World, Mario Kart 8, Wind Waker HD, W101, Bayonetta 1 & 2, Hyrule Warriors, Rayman Legends, indie games, etc... The list goes on. There's alot of good games, and alot of them aren't even on Xbox or PS.

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Qwest

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iKhan

skywake wrote:

And the Wii U also has Lego City, Game & Wario, Wii Party U, Mario & Sonic, Wii Sports Club.... but I was talking about interesting games. Also yes, Wind Waker HD does count because I would say the Ocarina of Time remake on the 3DS counts. It's a quality remake which moved units. Things like Brain Academy or WarioWare? I mean they're numbers on the shelf but you're never going to revisit them.

Also if Captain Toad doesn't count because it's a "spinoff" then not even Luigi's Mansion should count. Which is a load of crap because both are decent games in their own right. As I said earlier, when was the last time Nintendo produced something as interesting as Splatoon? I reckon you'd have to go back to Pikmin to find something that could compete.

Lego City isn't a Nintendo game, they just published it. Game and Wario was pretty poorly received, and didn't particularly make up for it with sales.. Same with Mario and Sonic Wii U. I counted Wii Party U (which was generous as I excluded Wii series games for the Wii). And Wii Sports Club is another remake. And remakes don't count. The game already exists, so it isn't really a new experience unless you haven't played the original (unless it's a complete overhaul like Pokemon HG/SS and OR/AS.

Big Brain Academy is still my favorite game on the DS, and WarioWare is regarded by many to be one of the best games on the Wii for its creative use of motion control. Just because you aren't crazy about the minigame collection genre doesn't make them irrelevant. Else I could go ahead and chop NSMBU and DKCTF off my list because I'm not big on 2D platformers.

It's not that Captain Toad is a spinoff, it's that it's a small spinoff, an expansion of a minigame from a previous series developed in a year and retailing for a third less than full price. Luigi's Mansion was a full priced game and the GC's big first party launch title. Not to say I'm not excited for Captain Toad (IMO it looks like what 3D World should have been in a sense), I just think Nintendo regards it as a lesser side project, and not a big release.

I already said 2015 looks incredible. And Splatoon is a big reason for that. But you are pushing your personal preferences into a more impersonal discussion of the systems' first 2 years.

*I did forget Hyrule Warriors though, so I will add that to the Wii U count above.

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