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R_Champ

Metaknight_3Raw wrote:

The Wii U is definitely going to be a slow burner console.

I agree. It'll never be like the original Wii, but I also don't think it'll go "Dreamcast" like the brainwashed Neogaffers claim. Every time a new big name comes out it'll sell a little more each time, but probably never explode.

TBH, that may give fans more variety. It seems like ever since the Wii U started struggling Nintendo has taken a different approach than the Wii in a good way. We had to beg for Xenoblade, but apparently "X" is going to be released in a similar time frame in all regions...I can live with that. $30 Credit for two games I'd buy anyway? I can live with that too. And hopefully we see more deals/changes like these in attempt to appeal to fans.

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SphericalCrusher

WiiU will definitely get better sales with all of the great games coming out. The same thing happened to the 3DS, except 3DS changed direction a lot quicker. The WiiU had a great launch and then a huge momentum loss shortly after with games being cancelled/delayed. Now that it's being cleared up, I think it's going to do well.

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PokeTune

This thread is a joke right? What turnaround do you see?

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This thread is a joke right? What turnaround do you see?

Possibly the one PS3 had 4 years into its life. It's a true story that PS3 was pretty much coughing up blood for a bit. Sony is fairing better now, but we'll just have to see how well ALL of these consoles do in the next year or so.

There's basically literally no way to do worse than the GCN. The market is bigger overall, so that kind of guarantees bigger numbers, regardless.

Xbox didn't go so well at first either.

People need to just wait and see what happens. We have no control over what these companies do, so it's pointless for anyone to say we know what will happen. This goes both ways, so give it a break.

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Captain_Balko

People are simply far too cynical about this whole thing. Yes, the Wii U isn't doing all that well right now, and I get that there is virtually no chance that it will sell as much as the Wii. However, as somebody before me put it, "heavy hitters" are being released as time goes on. Specifically, Wii Fit U is bound to sell well simply because the whole "Fitness Craze" will never really end - it started decades ago and will continue to be important for many years to come. People always want interactive workouts to do for a week and then never again (in most cases). Wii Fit U will sell. Also, we've got the new Super Smash Bros. I have never met a gamer who disliked SSB. You've now got a chunk of the casual market with Wii Fit U, and a lot of gamers with SSB. I believe that Melee was the highest selling GC game, but correct me if I'm wrong. Smash Bros sells. Period. Furthermore, a 3D Mario will attract a lot of the younger gamers and the families that weren't impressed with Nintendo Land or NSMBU. These are the games that will be the salvation of the Wii U. Nintendo, though I love them to death, may not always have the hardware and marketing down-pat, but NEVER doubt their ability to make a great game that sells.

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johnvboy

People tend to forget the Wii U is not even a year old yet,both the 360/Ps3 had sold no more consoles than the Wii U at the same points in their lifecycles.

People are bashing the Wii U because after a bright start sales have slowed down,but of course this was to be expected as Nintendo have been late bringing it's main titles to the system,Nintendo consoles have and always will be driven by their own first party titles.

When the big titles start to arrive later this year we will see a difference,and lets not forget that people were saying the 3DS was doomed at one point when it had a slight sales slump,look how that turned out.

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citizenerased

johnvboy wrote:

People tend to forget the Wii U is not even a year old yet,both the 360/Ps3 had sold no more consoles than the Wii U at the same points in their lifecycles.

Except that's incorrect... and they sold about 3 times as much per month as the Wii U currently is at the same point in their lifetime. PS3 and 360's worst months are around 300k, Wii U's selling ~100-150k a month.
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We'll see how things are in a few months, but claiming the 360 and PS3 ever sold so badly is false.

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Peach64

Wii U isn't even doing 100k a month. It's worldwide sales for Q2 were 160k. That's in 3 months. People talk about Wii U doing bad because its monthly sales are sega Saturn level. It's not some conspiracy, it's genuinely been doing terrible. The great launch lets people cling to the overall figures, but the fact is they'd sold over 3 million by the end of December 2012 and now, 9 months later they've just scraped 3.6 million sales. I think it will turn around but the negative feeling is more than justified.

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I think the Wii U will be fine. Compare Monolith's X to any other next gen game. Which looks like more fun? Yeah... thats what I thought.
I just get disgusted when Wii U gets an exclusive like Bayonetta 2 or Sonic Lost World or even Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem and all I hear are Sony/Microsoft fanboys screaming..."NO!!!!! DON'T BE a WII U exclusive!! Its not fair!!!!". You see, ladies and gentlemen... While the PS4/Xbox One are incredibly powerful and will (hopefully) produce some great games... in the end... The PS4/Xbox One libaries will be far too similar and too alike. Thats where the Wii U steps in with gaming experiences that the PS4/Xbox One just can't make. If a person just got a Xbox One/PS4 and ignored the Wii U then thats a shame because they will be missing out on some high quality games.

Give the Wii U a break. Wait until the launch hype for Xbox One/PS4 dies... We're gonna see alotta sad articles.... But we won't see those articles because some gaming media likes portraying Nintendo as some sort of clown and a fool. Some gaming media would NEVER write poorly of Sony/Microsoft....

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johnvboy

citizenerased wrote:

johnvboy wrote:

People tend to forget the Wii U is not even a year old yet,both the 360/Ps3 had sold no more consoles than the Wii U at the same points in their lifecycles.

Except that's incorrect... and they sold about 3 times as much per month as the Wii U currently is at the same point in their lifetime. PS3 and 360's worst months are around 300k, Wii U's selling ~100-150k a month.
Source

We'll see how things are in a few months, but claiming the 360 and PS3 ever sold so badly is false.

I am talking about total sales not units per month.

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johnvboy

Peach64 wrote:

Wii U isn't even doing 100k a month. It's worldwide sales for Q2 were 160k. That's in 3 months. People talk about Wii U doing bad because its monthly sales are sega Saturn level. It's not some conspiracy, it's genuinely been doing terrible. The great launch lets people cling to the overall figures, but the fact is they'd sold over 3 million by the end of December 2012 and now, 9 months later they've just scraped 3.6 million sales. I think it will turn around but the negative feeling is more than justified.

As I said it's no surprise as it's taken Nintendo longer to get it's main franchises to market.

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shingi_70

johnvboy wrote:

citizenerased wrote:

johnvboy wrote:

People tend to forget the Wii U is not even a year old yet,both the 360/Ps3 had sold no more consoles than the Wii U at the same points in their lifecycles.

Except that's incorrect... and they sold about 3 times as much per month as the Wii U currently is at the same point in their lifetime. PS3 and 360's worst months are around 300k, Wii U's selling ~100-150k a month.
Source

We'll see how things are in a few months, but claiming the 360 and PS3 ever sold so badly is false.

I am talking about total sales not units per month.

and that's still impossible if the 360/PS3 sold much more than the WIi U at their respective times.

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Sony_70 wrote:

johnvboy wrote:

citizenerased wrote:

johnvboy wrote:

People tend to forget the Wii U is not even a year old yet,both the 360/Ps3 had sold no more consoles than the Wii U at the same points in their lifecycles.

Except that's incorrect... and they sold about 3 times as much per month as the Wii U currently is at the same point in their lifetime. PS3 and 360's worst months are around 300k, Wii U's selling ~100-150k a month.
Source

We'll see how things are in a few months, but claiming the 360 and PS3 ever sold so badly is false.

I am talking about total sales not units per month.

and that's still impossible if the 360/PS3 sold much more than the WIi U at their respective times.

No it's not as the Wii U could have sold more at launch,check the figures for both the PS3/360 after one year on sale,the 360 sold a little better than the Ps3 from my memory,but both companies had not sold any more consoles than the Wii U in total.

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Peach64

That's not true anymore. That worked back in March, to say monthly sales didn't matter because the overall numbers were comparable but the 360 kept up solid sales through year 1 (about 500-600k a month), so by the end of its first June it was on 5 million sales, the Wii U had 3.6 million.

Some people don't think it matters that nearly 90% of Wii U's sales came in its first 6 weeks, but that gives the impression that once the hardcore Nintendo crowd who bought it at launch are out of the way, almost nobody else cares about it. It's not even comparable to the 3DS slump. The price cut of the 3DS happened after they only sold a 'disastrous' 710,000 units in Q2 2011, but the Wii U only sold 160,000 in Q2 2013. It's a far, far worse situation.

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shingi_70

I don't doubt that the Wii U's fortunes could change despite that being very unlikely. But I'm a bit confused that nearly every thread or discussionof the WIi U turns into what could only be called naive optimism. Nearly everything I see from fans themselves are that the PS4 and Xbox One will do badly aside from laucnh (fair point that could happen) and the Wii U will be saved buy the lower price point and third parties will flock back in droves showering games with the hot explosion of Final Fantasy, sports, and actual third party support.

My questions are

-Even if the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One have slower sales after launch how will that exactly help the WIi U. In all likelihood that will be due to price points and the current gen consoles which the Wii U isn't getting any side support from either.

  • Even if the Wii U made this magical upturn why would support come out of thin air to support the Wii U, when Wii a sucessful console didn't get any support.

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Peach64 wrote:

That's not true anymore. That worked back in March, to say monthly sales didn't matter because the overall numbers were comparable but the 360 kept up solid sales through year 1 (about 500-600k a month), so by the end of its first June it was on 5 million sales, the Wii U had 3.6 million.

Some people don't think it matters that nearly 90% of Wii U's sales came in its first 6 weeks, but that gives the impression that once the hardcore Nintendo crowd who bought it at launch are out of the way, almost nobody else cares about it. It's not even comparable to the 3DS slump. The price cut of the 3DS happened after they only sold a 'disastrous' 710,000 units in Q2 2011, but the Wii U only sold 160,000 in Q2 2013. It's a far, far worse situation.

Mario Kart 8 and Monolith's X walks in and waves hi Don't worry. Those 2 games will save the Wii U even if Super Smash Bros. U doesn't.

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Sony_70 wrote:

I don't doubt that the Wii U's fortunes could change despite that being very unlikely. But I'm a bit confused that nearly every thread or discussionof the WIi U turns into what could only be called naive optimism. Nearly everything I see from fans themselves are that the PS4 and Xbox One will do badly aside from laucnh (fair point that could happen) and the Wii U will be saved buy the lower price point and third parties will flock back in droves showering games with the hot explosion of Final Fantasy, sports, and actual third party support.

My questions are

-Even if the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One have slower sales after launch how will that exactly help the WIi U. In all likelihood that will be due to price points and the current gen consoles which the Wii U isn't getting any side support from either.

  • Even if the Wii U made this magical upturn why would support come out of thin air to support the Wii U, when Wii a sucessful console didn't get any support.

1: Ummm... the Wii had 3rd party support... Go on Gamestop and look at the Wii's lineup for 3rd party games... Its THERE. 2: Mario Kart 8 will save the Wii U if every other Wii U game can't. Mario Kart sells....like....crazy. 3: Ehhh... The PS4/Xbox One are very similar The games will be very similar. Thats not necessarily a bad thing. Heck, we ALREADY see a zombie game for next gen D: I'm personally getting tired of all these zombie games but thats just me. 3rd party guys like Platinum Games know that games like Bayonetta 2 and Wonderful 101 are better off on Wii U than PS4/Xbox One. So maybe other 3rd party developers might do the same thing as PG did. Which is... pitch an idea to Nintendo and try to get it funded as an exclusive 3rd party game.

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citizenerased

johnvboy wrote:

citizenerased wrote:

johnvboy wrote:

People tend to forget the Wii U is not even a year old yet,both the 360/Ps3 had sold no more consoles than the Wii U at the same points in their lifecycles.

Except that's incorrect... and they sold about 3 times as much per month as the Wii U currently is at the same point in their lifetime. PS3 and 360's worst months are around 300k, Wii U's selling ~100-150k a month.
Source

We'll see how things are in a few months, but claiming the 360 and PS3 ever sold so badly is false.

I am talking about total sales not units per month.

Yeah like I said, the source shows that's not true. 10 months in, about 3.5 million Wii U's have been sold. 10 months in, both PS3 and 360 had more than 4 million.

And as pointed out, 90% of sales being at launch is a problem in and of itself.

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shingi_70

Didn't Marrio Kart Wii sell so much because of the Wii's install base and not based on the fact that the game itself was a system seller. Using the logic dicated New Super Mario Bros U should have shifted about 10 million consoles right. DOuble Dash didn't push the gamecube at all either.

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Sony_70 wrote:

Didn't Marrio Kart Wii sell so much because of the Wii's install base and not based on the fact that the game itself was a system seller. Using the logic dicated New Super Mario Bros U should have shifted about 10 million consoles right. DOuble Dash didn't push the gamecube at all either.

I think for most people... the best side scrolling Mario games were the old ones. I think most people want a Sunshine or Galaxy game for Wii U instead of NSMBU. I think Mario: Sunshine and Mario: Galaxy could become system sellers if Nintendo did them right. coughs loudly... then should have been launch titles for Wii U Thats why NSMBU didn't have incredible huge sales. Mario Kart: Double Dash is a very good game and I luv it. I thought alotta Gamecube owners loved Double Dash.... Maybe I'm wrong. I'm only being optimistic for Mario Kart 8 selling pretty good BECAUSE Mario Kart 7 sold pretty dang well on 3DS and helped sell some units. I think that will happen to Mario Kart 8, too. I'm not one of those fools who think every game with Mario attached to it sells incredibly good.

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