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rockodoodle

81. Posted:

Plus, there's going to be some games coming out soon that you will play for a long, long time- Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, Mario & Sonic Winter Olympics.... those are the kinds of games that make a system worth while....

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Plus, there's going to be some games coming out soon that you will play for a long, long time- Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, Mario & Sonic Winter Olympics.... those are the kinds of games that make a system worth while....

Exactly. I still play Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Mario Kart Wii at least 2 times a week for hours, and they aren't even close the the ammount of quality and content that will be available in the Wii U iterations.

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83. Posted:

I'll probably play both Smash Brothers and MarioKart on Wii, even when the new ones come out, at least every now and then......

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Plus, there's going to be some games coming out soon that you will play for a long, long time- Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, Mario & Sonic Winter Olympics.... those are the kinds of games that make a system worth while....

Exactly. I still play Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Mario Kart Wii at least 2 times a week for hours, and they aren't even close the the ammount of quality and content that will be available in the Wii U iterations.

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I'm yet to play anything on my Wii U which I would say has justified the expense and I'm one of the people who excitedly pre-ordered the console and grabbed it on day 1. I've had a fair amount of fun with it, Nintendo Land and New SMB U including Super Luigi U have been awesome, but nothing big enough to justify it. That's why it isn't selling. That said after E3 I can see the games which do justify it over the next nine months or so. Mario Kart 8 looks fantastic, Pikmin 3 I am increasingly getting hyped about, 3D World looks pretty decent despite my complaints that it's not something on the scale of Galaxy.

It was similar with the 3DS which I didn't get at launch. There was nothing before OoT3D that really justified me getting it and that was why I waited until just before OoT3D before I bit the bullet and got one. Then there was Mario Kart 7 and 3D Land soon after. Now we've got enough quality content for the 3DS that I can be very picky about what game I get if I want something new.

Software sells systems, it's as simple as that. The Wii U currently lacks the software right now to justify a purchase.

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I got mine in April.... I can see why people who got it in Nov.-Jan. are disappointed. With the games I have, plus the games coming out (bought it so that I can eventually play Mario Kart, but Sonic has by far exceeded expectations. Plus, have Madden, which will last me for at least another two years. Hopefully EA gets back on board by the time I want another football game), I can say that the purchase is justified.

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I'm yet to play anything on my Wii U which I would say has justified the expense and I'm one of the people who excitedly pre-ordered the console and grabbed it on day 1. I've had a fair amount of fun with it, Nintendo Land and New SMB U including Super Luigi U have been awesome, but nothing big enough to justify it. That's why it isn't selling. That said after E3 I can see the games which do justify it over the next nine months or so. Mario Kart 8 looks fantastic, Pikmin 3 I am increasingly getting hyped about, 3D World looks pretty decent despite my complaints that it's not something on the scale of Galaxy.

It was similar with the 3DS which I didn't get at launch. There was nothing before OoT3D that really justified me getting it and that was why I waited until just before OoT3D before I bit the bullet and got one. Then there was Mario Kart 7 and 3D Land soon after. Now we've got enough quality content for the 3DS that I can be very picky about what game I get if I want something new.

Software sells systems, it's as simple as that. The Wii U currently lacks the software right now to justify a purchase.

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Maybe Nintendo's confusing situation is just trying to figure out what people who call themselves hardcore gamers want. From what I got from the internet, something that doesn't actually exist or could exist.

It's simple: whatever is considered "cool" and is popular in society, that looks baddonkey to kids and lets then break rules, is the definition of "hardcore" these days. Playing games that aren't allowed at your age, essentially. That isn't what Nintendo do, it's what they'll probably never do, a lot of people just consider Nintendo games too "childish"... proper hardcore gamers would at least look at Nintendo games instead of dismissing them that simply. I might sound rude, but truth in stereotypes and all that.
I don't think this "hardcore" situation is Nintendo's problem right now, I think it was trying to use it in the first place, as I feel that the other side of "hardcore" gamers (that miss Nintendo Hard days) will only want those kind of games, which Nintendo doesn't push much of these days. Monster Hunter was the last "difficult" game I remember playing, but that's pretty much the only one they "show" much.

Sorry for the rambling and very poor wording since I'm really tired right now, but in conclusion, I think that Nintendo just promised too much that deviated from what they actually do and I feel like they should have gone another way. Which way, I don't know. I'm sure that Iwata can work something to save their image at least partially at least for some time, but I think that this will leave a bit of a sour taste in people's mouths either way since their were so many fallen expectations. This combined with lack of advertising and strange release schedule is probably why Wii U isn't too hot.

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87. Posted:

Not sure if I already posted this here, but the main reason I think the Wii U is failing is because it lacks a killer app. There is literally nothing you can play on the Wii U the you cannot get a similar experience on a past Nintendo console.

Mario 3D World has a similar game on the 3DS.

Donkey Kong Country Returns was on the Wii.

New Super Mario Bros was on the Wii.

Wind Waker was on the Gamecube.

Mario Kart was on the Wii and the 3DS and looks exactly the same.

Super Smash Bros was on the Gamecube and the Wii.

So there's no reason to buy a Wii U yet unless you never owned a Wii, which can play Gamecube games. This is compared to the 3DS, which has:

A 3D Mario game in an albeit generic style, but still one 3D Mario had never seen before.

A new 2D Zelda game.

Luigi's Mansion, which was a sleeper hit and only recently caught on.

Kid Icarus, a franchise that hadn't been visited in so long it's essentially a New IP.

A portable Super Smash Bros for the first time.

A Fire Emblem game that's finally cool, as opposed to the older titles that turned players away with permadeath.

A 3D Pokemon game with what looks to be the first real innovative features in a decade.

So what can Nintendo learn from this? What can they release to help the sales of the Wii U? Unfortunately, I don't think there's an easy answer to that that can be addressed immediately. The kind of games they need are the same type that take a long time to develop. What they need is:

A new 3D Zelda game.

A Metroid game.

A new IP.

A First Person Shooter to compete with the likes of Halo, Destiny, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Killzone, and countless others that are attracting players to PS4 and XBone.

A large scale RPG like Golden Sun or another Fire Emblem game.

I don't see any of this happening anytime soon because these are the types of games that take 3-5 years to develop, and that's if you know what you're doing. Given Miyamoto's recent comments about underestimating the amount of manpower it takes to make HD games, it could be even longer.

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88. Posted:

@Neoproteus
You're right in a way but you missed a key point. Most of those games you're trying to discount aren't on the shelves yet. Also when the 3DS turned around it was well before most of those games you're crediting to its success. It was on the back of a new Mario Kart, a 3D-ish Mario and a Zelda remake. They all launched towards the end of 2011 when the 3DS started to move units and are still three of the five best selling games on the system.

The fact is that as much as us "core gamers" want to think that the system sellers are not those games. If you look at the Wii and throw away the "Wii" series games the big sellers were Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Galaxy and New SMB. If you look at the Gamecube it was again Mario Kart, Smash Bros and Sunshine. N64 those same games near the top with Mario 64, Kart and Smash Bros. Even on the SNES Super Mario World and Kart are both in the top three. I don't see how after upto twenty years of these same games being the best selling games on every single Nintendo platform something has changed.

Watch this space. Regardless of how well the Wii U does in the long run the best selling games on the system and the reason most people who have it will get it will be for Mario Kart, Smash Bros and a New Mario. Those will be your system sellers..... and they aren't out yet

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@Neoproteus
You're right in a way but you missed a key point. Most of those games you're trying to discount aren't on the shelves yet. Also when the 3DS turned around it was well before most of those games you're crediting to its success. It was on the back of a new Mario Kart, a 3D-ish Mario and a Zelda remake. They all launched towards the end of 2011 when the 3DS started to move units and are still three of the five best selling games on the system.

The fact is that as much as us "core gamers" want to think that the system sellers are not those games. If you look at the Wii and throw away the "Wii" series games the big sellers were Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Galaxy and New SMB. If you look at the Gamecube it was again Mario Kart, Smash Bros and Sunshine. N64 those same games near the top with Mario 64, Kart and Smash Bros. Even on the SNES Super Mario World and Kart are both in the top three. I don't see how after upto twenty years of these same games being the best selling games on every single Nintendo platform something has changed.

Watch this space. Regardless of how well the Wii U does in the long run the best selling games on the system and the reason most people who have it will get it will be for Mario Kart, Smash Bros and a New Mario. Those will be your system sellers..... and they aren't out yet

Its true that those games to Nintendo fans are big system sellers but that didn't help the N64 or Gamecube. There's NO guarantee that it will help the Wii U significantly.

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PokeTune wrote:

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@Neoproteus
You're right in a way but you missed a key point. Most of those games you're trying to discount aren't on the shelves yet. Also when the 3DS turned around it was well before most of those games you're crediting to its success. It was on the back of a new Mario Kart, a 3D-ish Mario and a Zelda remake. They all launched towards the end of 2011 when the 3DS started to move units and are still three of the five best selling games on the system.

The fact is that as much as us "core gamers" want to think that the system sellers are not those games. If you look at the Wii and throw away the "Wii" series games the big sellers were Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Galaxy and New SMB. If you look at the Gamecube it was again Mario Kart, Smash Bros and Sunshine. N64 those same games near the top with Mario 64, Kart and Smash Bros. Even on the SNES Super Mario World and Kart are both in the top three. I don't see how after upto twenty years of these same games being the best selling games on every single Nintendo platform something has changed.

Watch this space. Regardless of how well the Wii U does in the long run the best selling games on the system and the reason most people who have it will get it will be for Mario Kart, Smash Bros and a New Mario. Those will be your system sellers..... and they aren't out yet

Its true that those games to Nintendo fans are big system sellers but that didn't help the N64 or Gamecube. There's NO guarantee that it will help the Wii U significantly.

There's definitely no guarantee. There never is. But judging from the sheer amount of "show me a Zelda and I'll buy a Wii U" I see on a lot of forums, there are plenty of non-Nintendo fans that still swoon at the mentioning of Zelda and Smash Bros. Those gamers are going to buy PS4 or Xbone for sure, but Nintendo's job now is to convince them that the Wii U, at a good price point, is a nice investment as a second console to play a few games that they absolutely can't get otherwise.

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There's NO guarantee that it will help the Wii U significantly.

there's no guarantee that it won't either. Like 3DS sold even better than everything else in a month just because of a port of DKCR that I don't think anyone was particularly asking for and was announced fairly shortly before release, so Nintendo games just being the same Nintendo games can work to a point.

I think the main thing Nintendo has right now is they are the cheapest new console that came out first that has the worst specs. If PS4 does win (as Xbox is done as a major competitor for a while), it will be the first time superior specs have won. And regardless, 2nd place is guaranteed. I'd be amazed if Wii U doesn't majorly rebound this holiday season, they'd have to have the WORST marketing to do so. Not bad, not disappointing, the WORST.

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1. I think the majority of folks who know this probably have a Wii U. They were the early adopters and pretty much want the experience on a different console- one that's going to be far more rich than what you suggest, tho I guess technology wise, the 3ds would be fairly close.

2. I think there's probably a lot more folks who would be willing to buy a newer generation system, as long as it at least has a few of the main titles.

3. There's a lot of kids who are experiencing these games for the first time- my GF's son, for one.

4. Agreed that there might not be the one killer app, but I also think that there will be collectively some system sellers coming out- Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, Mario and Sonic Olympics, smash bros. etc.

Neoproteus wrote:

Not sure if I already posted this here, but the main reason I think the Wii U is failing is because it lacks a killer app. There is literally nothing you can play on the Wii U the you cannot get a similar experience on a past Nintendo console.

Mario 3D World has a similar game on the 3DS.

Donkey Kong Country Returns was on the Wii.

New Super Mario Bros was on the Wii.

Wind Waker was on the Gamecube.

Mario Kart was on the Wii and the 3DS and looks exactly the same.

Super Smash Bros was on the Gamecube and the Wii.

So there's no reason to buy a Wii U yet unless you never owned a Wii, which can play Gamecube games. This is compared to the 3DS, which has:

A 3D Mario game in an albeit generic style, but still one 3D Mario had never seen before.

A new 2D Zelda game.

Luigi's Mansion, which was a sleeper hit and only recently caught on.

Kid Icarus, a franchise that hadn't been visited in so long it's essentially a New IP.

A portable Super Smash Bros for the first time.

A Fire Emblem game that's finally cool, as opposed to the older titles that turned players away with permadeath.

A 3D Pokemon game with what looks to be the first real innovative features in a decade.

So what can Nintendo learn from this? What can they release to help the sales of the Wii U? Unfortunately, I don't think there's an easy answer to that that can be addressed immediately. The kind of games they need are the same type that take a long time to develop. What they need is:

A new 3D Zelda game.

A Metroid game.

A new IP.

A First Person Shooter to compete with the likes of Halo, Destiny, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Killzone, and countless others that are attracting players to PS4 and XBone.

A large scale RPG like Golden Sun or another Fire Emblem game.

I don't see any of this happening anytime soon because these are the types of games that take 3-5 years to develop, and that's if you know what you're doing. Given Miyamoto's recent comments about underestimating the amount of manpower it takes to make HD games, it could be even longer.

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93. Posted:

It's onl one of the contributing Factors but Nintendo has the image problem of not making titles that appeal to the Core gamer or aren't just kidde games.

Its'a big misconception but leaning on the Mario franchise so hard doesn't help that much. Nintendo has a stable of first and second party developer but I think its tme for some of them to start going outside the box. Thankfully I think were about to see more announcments along these lines seeing as Nintendo has pretty much hit every core franchise between their two consoles.

Also I think nintendo needs to look at a few of the teams who have worked on mostly one system and let them try the other one out. So I guess

A Wii U game from Intelligent Systems - either a new IP or bring back the Advance Wars series as something similar to Valkyria Chronicles or more likely a Fire Emblem/Advance Wars Hybrid.

-Look at ways to bring back IP like Starfox and Metroid back into the limelight.

-A 3DS game from Monolith soft. I'm guess that's what the new studio has been working on and what these two pieces of concept art are for.
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-Invest more in Partnerships or funding projects from third party developers.

-Have Capcom port Monster Hunter 4 to the WIi U and do a campaign similar to what they did with Tri Ultimate/

-Partner up with Sega to fund some non sega products. Look into things like a Binary Domain Sequel, or bringing older IP like the Oasis series or Burning Rangers.

-Try to foster more of the Niche japanese games community. Put money toward projects from a few of them and talk of the benefits of supporting the Nintendo ecosystem versus the Sony one.

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94. Posted:

Added to this Nintendo can't afford any more droughts until the system is off the edge of the cliff. Right now the Wii U and 3DS are looking great when it comes to releases per month. (3DS less so)

July: Pikmin 3/New Super Luigi U retail
September: The Wonderful 101
October:The Legend of Zelda Wind Waker/Wii U Party
November: Donkey Kong County Tropical Freeze/Mario and Sonic at the Winter Olympics 2014
December: Super Mario 3D World/Wii Fit U

August: Mario and Luigi: dreamteam
October: Pokemon X and Y
November: The Legend of Zelda a Link Between Two worlds
November: Mario Party

Mario Kart 8 is out in March or April so there needs to be first party releases every month until than. Either retail or eshop preferably both.

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I'll get Olympics, Donkey Kong, Zelda and Mario Party at release... Probably Mario 3D, 101 a few months after

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Added to this Nintendo can't afford any more droughts until the system is off the edge of the cliff. Right now the Wii U and 3DS are looking great when it comes to releases per month. (3DS less so)

July: Pikmin 3/New Super Luigi U retail
September: The Wonderful 101
October:The Legend of Zelda Wind Waker/Wii U Party
November: Donkey Kong County Tropical Freeze/Mario and Sonic at the Winter Olympics 2014
December: Super Mario 3D World/Wii Fit U

August: Mario and Luigi: dreamteam
October: Pokemon X and Y
November: The Legend of Zelda a Link Between Two worlds
November: Mario Party

Mario Kart 8 is out in March or April so there needs to be first party releases every month until than. Either retail or eshop preferably both.

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Its true that those games to Nintendo fans are big system sellers but that didn't help the N64 or Gamecube. There's NO guarantee that it will help the Wii U significantly.

Well the person who I was responding to said it needed system sellers, those are the games Nintendo has that move systems. Universally praised versions of those games combine to sell lots systems. If you go back and look at the best selling games on past Nintendo systems the games people like us love to demand like Xenoblade, Metroid Prime, new IPs and "core gamer friendly" FPSers aren't on the top of the sales charts. The only exception is GoldenEye on the N64.

So I don't think that the mass market are just waiting for them to announce some large scale JRPGs, exciting new IPs and a new Metroid Prime. We are waiting for that, the countless other millions are not. I also don't think it's fair to say that the Wii U isn't selling because people aren't interested in Mario Kart, Smash Bros and Zelda remakes. If anything people are waiting for the Mario Karts and Smash Bros to be on the shelves because why would you buy a console without the game you want to play on it? I also don't think it's worth ignoring the fact that people are probably also waiting for games like Wii U Sports and Wii U Fit....

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skywake wrote:

So I don't think that the mass market are just waiting for them to announce some large scale JRPGs, exciting new IPs and a new Metroid Prime. We are waiting for that, the countless other millions are not.

countless other millions have bad taste obviously :p

but seriously, I'd be so glad for Nintendo to be the ones to actively pursue major success for these type of games. Especially after Monolith Soft said they are deciding to try to be Japanese Bethesda.

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skywake wrote:

So I don't think that the mass market are just waiting for them to announce some large scale JRPGs, exciting new IPs and a new Metroid Prime. We are waiting for that, the countless other millions are not.

Yet the PS4 and Xbox are going to get quite a few sales off these exact merits. i know a few somewhat casuel gamers (they mostly stick to sports and michael bay games) who want the Xbox and PS4 for .

-The Witcher 3 (Large scale rpg)
-Suneset overdrive (New IP)
-Killer Instinct (a old revival similar to metroid prime)
-Final Fantasy XV (Large scale RPG)
-Knack (New IP)
-The Hope sony will bring back something like Parappa

Why is the other two can sale consoles to both the core and mainstream like this, but Nintendo can't. I'm guessing they've fed into the Nintendo all kiddie and no new IP that most people just seem to ignore the company. I was in a google hangout with a buddy tallking comics and about getting our group podcast sorted out and we started talking about video games, Dude was knew pretty much every xbox one and PS4 games announced but barley knew any Wii U titles. After showing him some games he felt only X and Scribblenauts unmaksed would be something he would enjoy.

What what do you mean these types of games are on the sales charts. Maybe not nintendo projects to this sort but this holiday season Battlefield and Ghosts will be hitting the top two spots. Watch next year how TitanFall, Destiny, and Final Fantasy XV hit top spots for a few months.

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By the end of the year the Wii U will more than likely sell better,since games like Donkey Kong and Wonderful 101 are coming out.But what we need the most is third party support.

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Drobotic wrote:

By the end of the year the Wii U will more than likely sell better,since games like Donkey Kong and Wonderful 101 are coming out.But what we need the most is third party support.

Both of those games won't have that much effect on the systems fortunes. The Wonderful 101 is by Platinum who's games have done poorly on systems with bigger install bases. The game also suffers from being too similar and coming out to close to Pikmin 3.

If 2D Mario couldn;t push systems I don't think 2D Donkey Kong will either. Tobe honest I think Nintenod flooded the side scroller marketand having so many of them on an HD system isn't exactly what people want.

I think right now Nintendo has its hopes set for Super Mario 3D World which should be a November release and Wii Fit U which will probably bomba as well as the market for the game is no longer there. (well its there but not for Nintendo)

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